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At the same time GW could replace them with even more awesome ones. We'll just have to wait and see what GW chooses to do ^

chaos0xomega wrote:

Well that's the thing, the only way to bring the high Elves is to basically permanently eliminate the skaven component, as they share sprues. There were some good skaven sculpts in that kit, be a shame to lose them.

Infantry from both have seen stand alone releases, so this is already there,

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would hope that if they rerelease island of blood/spire of dawn minis that they wouldn't permanently alter or eliminate the skaven components.

They could market and sell it as a two-fer "Start a High Elf army for TOW and a Skaven army for AoS!"

There would be plenty of demand for it regardless, considering how driven the community is to try to pretend the legacy factions aren't just going to be abandoned in due course by GW.

And honestly? It wouldn't be that hard for them to cut mold plates from a weaker material with the intention of rearranging the model layout to leave a High Elf only sprue and a Skaven only sprue. It's probably a little impractical to do it that way, but with as little overhead as it would take to do that coupled with the obscene prices they'd be able to ask, I'm leaning toward them being willing to take that risk.

 Just Tony wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I would hope that if they rerelease island of blood/spire of dawn minis that they wouldn't permanently alter or eliminate the skaven components.

They could market and sell it as a two-fer "Start a High Elf army for TOW and a Skaven army for AoS!"

There would be plenty of demand for it regardless, considering how driven the community is to try to pretend the legacy factions aren't just going to be abandoned in due course by GW.

And honestly? It wouldn't be that hard for them to cut mold plates from a weaker material with the intention of rearranging the model layout to leave a High Elf only sprue and a Skaven only sprue. It's probably a little impractical to do it that way, but with as little overhead as it would take to do that coupled with the obscene prices they'd be able to ask, I'm leaning toward them being willing to take that risk.

Moulds can be cut in materials like aluminium instead of steel, which is cheaper but reduces their lifetime. But it's still a new mould. The layout of a sprue can't be re-arranged directly from or onto a mould; that means returning to the masters (physical or digital, the latter being much easier to do). It's still a fairly big overhead. If GW are going to do it, it may well be they just make a new steel mould anyway, since they're set up to do so.

 Overread wrote:
High Elves for certain - at the end of TOW before AOS they were one of the factions that were pretty well updated. They lost a few models in the Island of Blood set that they didn't get updated (light archery cavalry as I recall and a new Seaguard unit)

But yeah everything else for them was in plastic.


Just keep in mind though that GW is likely to add new things to them such as heroes or such which might well be in Forgeworld Resin.

Problem with HE, is that their core units were horribles and older than Methuselah, bar the seaguard who were locked in the island of blood sprues. Considering that TOW seems to be a pretty low ressources investment for GW, i don't expect them to replace them.

Dwarf were in a bette position IIRC

Anyone know if TOW is in the warhammer app? Can we build lists?

streetsamurai wrote:

Problem with HE, is that their core units were horribles and older than Methuselah, bar the seaguard who were locked in the island of blood sprues. Considering that TOW seems to be a pretty low ressources investment for GW, i don't expect them to replace them.

Dwarf were in a bette position IIRC

Yeah and it looks like the army photo in the BRB has the IoB models and the old High Elf spearmen

nathan2004 wrote:Anyone know if TOW is in the warhammer app? Can we build lists?

I don't know as I've not checked, but this was posted a few days ago and is pretty darn good already https://old-world-builder.com

 Overread wrote:


I don't know as I've not checked, but this was posted a few days ago and is pretty darn good already https://old-world-builder.com

Some of the points and such are wrong in that app. So don't follow it blindly when making a list.

That goes to any app.

If you can't make list by hand if needed you aren't qualified to use app

Too many errors in them and too easy to make illegal lists if you just blindly trust them.

Is an Abacus okay or is it straight pen and paper?

Right now I just mess with making lists on the apps because my Forces of Fantasy is still waiting restock and posting

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is an Abacus okay or is it straight pen and paper?

Not unless its an official GW Abacus, and notepad and pen, no.

SamusDrake wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is an Abacus okay or is it straight pen and paper?

Not unless its an official GW Abacus, and notepad and pen, no.

Which you can instantly recognise because it uses skulls instead of beads

 Baragash wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is an Abacus okay or is it straight pen and paper?

Not unless its an official GW Abacus, and notepad and pen, no.

Which you can instantly recognise because it uses skulls instead of beads

Fun thing I noticed is that if you look closely, the rods the skull-beads slide on are also stacks of tiny skulls. Good attention to detail there GW.

There is a rumor, that after Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs will be next.

Does someone knows more? There was a leaked Dwarf product on reddit.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is an Abacus okay or is it straight pen and paper?

Not unless its an official GW Abacus, and notepad and pen, no.

Which you can instantly recognise because it uses skulls instead of beads

Fun thing I noticed is that if you look closely, the rods the skull-beads slide on are also stacks of tiny skulls. Good attention to detail there GW.

I was so sure you were talking about the one the plague marine uses and was impressed they’d be able to have the rod skulls be detailed since they’re so small. I am very disappointed

RazorEdge wrote:
There is a rumor, that after Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs will be next.

Does someone knows more? There was a leaked Dwarf product on reddit.

Would make sense in a sort of “ancient enemies” kind of way. Still there’s 5-4 “good” armies vs “bad” so I wonder if they’re going to split O&G into separate orc and goblin arcane journals because they are doubtless the most diverse army.

Also the fact that the dice leaked

 Mr_Rose wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There is a rumor, that after Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs will be next.

Does someone knows more? There was a leaked Dwarf product on reddit.

Would make sense in a sort of “ancient enemies” kind of way. Still there’s 5-4 “good” armies vs “bad” so I wonder if they’re going to split O&G into separate orc and goblin arcane journals because they are doubtless the most diverse army.

Its "Arcane Journal: Orc and Goblin Tribes" per the cover art that they posted on Warcom, so no.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Also the fact that the dice leaked

that the dice are out let people assume that dwarfs are the 3rd army and not O&G

so yes dwarfs should not be far away but it is not really a hint on how soon any more

 Baragash wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Is an Abacus okay or is it straight pen and paper?

Not unless its an official GW Abacus, and notepad and pen, no.

Which you can instantly recognise because it uses skulls instead of beads

Can we email GW and make this real? I would buy this instantly.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Problem with HE, is that their core units were horribles and older than Methuselah, bar the seaguard who were locked in the island of blood sprues.

They made a separate sprue of five Seaguard infantry.

 judgedoug wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

Problem with HE, is that their core units were horribles and older than Methuselah, bar the seaguard who were locked in the island of blood sprues.

They made a separate sprue of five Seaguard infantry.

You can also (by design) make Seaguard from the spearelf box, though they look nowhere near as good.

The real issue is Swordmasters for whom the only plastics are the ones in IoB.

Greenfield wrote:
Moulds can be cut in materials like aluminium instead of steel, which is cheaper but reduces their lifetime. But it's still a new mould. The layout of a sprue can't be re-arranged directly from or onto a mould; that means returning to the masters (physical or digital, the latter being much easier to do). It's still a fairly big overhead. If GW are going to do it, it may well be they just make a new steel mould anyway, since they're set up to do so.

TBF you can cut the moulds to enable that sort of multi-gating where you can cast part of the sprue (Bandai do it with Gundam kits all the time nowadays) but I doubt the IOB tools were done with that in mind and I don't think GW has ever really done it.


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 Mr_Rose wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There is a rumor, that after Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs will be next.

Does someone knows more? There was a leaked Dwarf product on reddit.

Would make sense in a sort of “ancient enemies” kind of way. Still there’s 5-4 “good” armies vs “bad” so I wonder if they’re going to split O&G into separate orc and goblin arcane journals because they are doubtless the most diverse army.

We already know they're not. The most likely candidate for the standalone army is Empire, because of the civil war they will be able to represent multiple sides.

Valrak also said that the Empire are getting three plastic kits, which I guess is consistent with them being considered "two" armies worth of release slot.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There is a rumor, that after Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs will be next.

Does someone knows more? There was a leaked Dwarf product on reddit.

Would make sense in a sort of “ancient enemies” kind of way. Still there’s 5-4 “good” armies vs “bad” so I wonder if they’re going to split O&G into separate orc and goblin arcane journals because they are doubtless the most diverse army.

Its "Arcane Journal: Orc and Goblin Tribes" per the cover art that they posted on Warcom, so no.

Hopefully it’s extra-chunky then and includes three or four lists. Like, any three of: Black Orc ArdBoyz, Savage Orc Raiders, Night Goblin Ambushers, Forest Goblin Trappers. Or something.

Well we already know it has two.

They've already confirmed several of those points:
- It's a single book covering both Orcs and Goblins
- It contains 2 Armies of Infamy and 2 Special Characters
- The armies of infamy are the Troll Horde and Nomadic Waaaagh!

 Mr_Rose wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
There is a rumor, that after Orcs & Goblins, Dwarfs will be next.

Does someone knows more? There was a leaked Dwarf product on reddit.

Would make sense in a sort of “ancient enemies” kind of way. Still there’s 5-4 “good” armies vs “bad” so I wonder if they’re going to split O&G into separate orc and goblin arcane journals because they are doubtless the most diverse army.

Its "Arcane Journal: Orc and Goblin Tribes" per the cover art that they posted on Warcom, so no.

Hopefully it’s extra-chunky then and includes three or four lists. Like, any three of: Black Orc ArdBoyz, Savage Orc Raiders, Night Goblin Ambushers, Forest Goblin Trappers. Or something.

Only two, Nomadic Waaagh! and Troll Hordes.

It is known.

Mozzamanx wrote:
They've already confirmed several of those points:
- It's a single book covering both Orcs and Goblins
- It contains 2 Armies of Infamy and 2 Special Characters
- The armies of infamy are the Troll Horde and Nomadic Waaaagh!

Nomadic Waagh hopefully being a proper Savage Orc army given how restricted they are in the GA

The classic Nomadic army referred to one dominated by cavalry. Nothing to do with Savages unfortunately, other than including the option for Savage Boar Boyz.
As per the 6E book: