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 nathan2004 wrote:
Griffon, Pegasus, and 3 war wagons are on the buying docket.

So, exactly how much did you get for your kidney?

I’m guessing the war wagons will be in the $70 to $80 range. If they are beyond $100 a piece, I might have to reconsider 3.

The Empire made to order still isn't up? Saturday Feb 1 I guess?

I would just honestly get War Altar and some militia and convert it into War Wagon. You would probably get 2 of those for price of one legimate war wagon.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I just want that new engineer model....a shame and strange decision that a brand new hand sculpted miniature is being stuck to what'll no doubt be a very expensive made-to-order kit rather than being an ordinary release.

I'm the opposite, I want the War Wagon but resent having the (no doubt already excessive) cost inflated by the engineer being lumped in with it

I am going to assume the Pegasus and Griffon are £50 each, like the mto metal oldhammer giant and wyvern, and the war wagon is much closer to (or even over) £100?

 Sotahullu wrote:
I would just honestly get War Altar and some militia and convert it into War Wagon. You would probably get 2 of those for price of one legimate war wagon.

The War Altar is €62.50/$80, so unlikely. Even with 3d printing some of the components it wouldn't be a good basis for conversion in terms of savings--you'd be better off looking for an alternate 3d print altogether or a complete scratch-build (which wouldn't be that difficult).

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I just want that new engineer model....a shame and strange decision that a brand new hand sculpted miniature is being stuck to what'll no doubt be a very expensive made-to-order kit rather than being an ordinary release.

You could always see if you can get a 'spare' engineer from someone that's buying multiple war wagons.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The Empire made to order still isn't up? Saturday Feb 1 I guess?

"These products will be available Made to Order from 10am local time Saturday 1st of February 2025, through to 6pm GMT on Sunday the 9th of February, and can take up to 180 days to ship."

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I just want that new engineer model....a shame and strange decision that a brand new hand sculpted miniature is being stuck to what'll no doubt be a very expensive made-to-order kit rather than being an ordinary release.

You could always see if you can get a 'spare' engineer from someone that's buying multiple war wagons.

I'm gonna get some War Wagons anyway, but I'm sure I still have my von Zeppel steam tank conversion kit floating around - it basically was just a platform to put the War Wagon guys on a Steam Tank!

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I just want that new engineer model....a shame and strange decision that a brand new hand sculpted miniature is being stuck to what'll no doubt be a very expensive made-to-order kit rather than being an ordinary release.

If I get 3, I won’t need all 3 and I’ll just mail you one if you cover mailing cost.

General Hans Von Lowenhacke and the battle wizard are back in stock on the US webstore for those empire players like me that were looking to get them.

Prices up on new zealand store, war wagons will probably land at around $100 american and £70

chaos0xomega wrote:
Prices up on new zealand store, war wagons will probably land at around $100 american and £70

That's a shame. Seems it'll be more expensive than almost everything except one of the Giants then.

I expect the engineer miniature has put the price up quite a bit, unfortunately.

The decision to bundle the two together is honestly baffling, I can only assume they did it because they didn't think the moulds would last if they didn't find a way to make the War Wagon less attractive

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The decision to bundle the two together is honestly baffling, I can only assume they did it because they didn't think the moulds would last if they didn't find a way to make the War Wagon less attractive

They could have even used it as an opportunity to see how well brand new hand-sculpted miniatures would do. I think there's more charm and sense of life to hand sculpted miniatures, It could have been touted as a special thing that they'd done something in that way again rather than locking it being an absurd £80 purchase.

Having wanted a war wagon for nearly 30 years I've succumbed, but it was made slightly less egregious by getting a £10 webstore voucher by email yesterday, so it was effectively £70 not £80 for me. I quite like the new engineer too (and I wanted another engineer) so that helped.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The decision to bundle the two together is honestly baffling, I can only assume they did it because they didn't think the moulds would last if they didn't find a way to make the War Wagon less attractive

Not really though; you can get the old plastic engineer if you want one, and the War Wagon can be either just the War Wagon or an option for an engineer. Makes sense that the set comes with one.

I also got a voucher a couple weeks ago for 20$ (CAD), and was expiring on Monday. Was crossing my fingers for the MTO to come soon enough so I could use it!

I got the Wagon, the Pegasus and the General on Griffon. A second Wagon would have been nice for conversion and stuff (like the one on steam tank), but not at that price. One will be enough to fill that nostalgia!

Looks like the Wave 1 Empire releases are finally up for pre-order on the Aussie webstore! And there was much rejoicing.

Disappointed that the infantry are only being sold in big pricey batches, though, which is a general problem I have with a lot of GW offerings in the last few years. They always seem to sell double the number I need at twice the price.

(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

Zenithfleet wrote:
Looks like the Wave 1 Empire releases are finally up for pre-order on the Aussie webstore! And there was much rejoicing.

Disappointed that the infantry are only being sold in big pricey batches, though, which is a general problem I have with a lot of GW offerings in the last few years. They always seem to sell double the number I need at twice the price.

(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

In some cases, the increasing of infantry in the boxes has lessened the price per model. Last time I bought flagellants (one year ago, the very purchase that earned me my discount voucher!) they were £20 for 10, now they're £45 for 30. Some small benefit to selling in bulk, and who ever used a unit of just 10 in Fantasy?

Zenithfleet wrote:
(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

From the last few financial reports GW's sales are up significantly, but their sales via the GW website have been consistently dropping since the redesign disaster - it really did have a significant negative effect on people buying from it. It seems like there is limited appetite from the CEO to spend significant more money on trying to fix it given how much they have burned on it so far, so the web store team are absolutely desperate to get sales going again - hence all the discount vouchers recently...

 Shakalooloo wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
Looks like the Wave 1 Empire releases are finally up for pre-order on the Aussie webstore! And there was much rejoicing.

Disappointed that the infantry are only being sold in big pricey batches, though, which is a general problem I have with a lot of GW offerings in the last few years. They always seem to sell double the number I need at twice the price.

(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

In some cases, the increasing of infantry in the boxes has lessened the price per model. Last time I bought flagellants (one year ago, the very purchase that earned me my discount voucher!) they were £20 for 10, now they're £45 for 30. Some small benefit to selling in bulk, and who ever used a unit of just 10 in Fantasy?

Fair enough. In my case, even if there's a saving when buying in bulk, I don't have the disposable income to do so. I need those small slow-grow options even if they add up to be more expensive overall. I mourn the loss of blister packs for that reason. May I remind you that I'm paying Australian prices!

Besides, the minis aren't necessarily going to be used for Fantasy, or for whatever other game they're produced for. I'd love some of those Hobbit Goblins (the pasty morlock-type ones) but I don't need 36 of them and nobody seems to onsell them in smaller quantities. In the specific case of the Empire releases, half the contents of the Empire Free Company Militia box would be sufficient for my Mordheim needs.

 The Phazer wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

From the last few financial reports GW's sales are up significantly, but their sales via the GW website have been consistently dropping since the redesign disaster - it really did have a significant negative effect on people buying from it. It seems like there is limited appetite from the CEO to spend significant more money on trying to fix it given how much they have burned on it so far, so the web store team are absolutely desperate to get sales going again - hence all the discount vouchers recently...

That makes a lot of sense, but it's the first time I've heard about it (not that I've been in the loop much). Would you have a link to more details?

 The Phazer wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

From the last few financial reports GW's sales are up significantly, but their sales via the GW website have been consistently dropping since the redesign disaster - it really did have a significant negative effect on people buying from it. It seems like there is limited appetite from the CEO to spend significant more money on trying to fix it given how much they have burned on it so far, so the web store team are absolutely desperate to get sales going again - hence all the discount vouchers recently...

Makes sense - the new website isn't as good as the old one. Also getting rid of things like the paint colour suggestions likely hit people making casual purchases of paint alongside the models (esp since paint is one of the things that isn't that heavily discounted outside of the GW website).

Heck the new site is still hiding a LOT of games and factions from sale - if you're into AT or AI or such you have to go hunting through menus to find them.
Meanwhile browsing is just more painful than it used to be.

The problem is customers who disliked the change and went elsewhere have likely found cheaper 3rd party sites and once people have made that change they are gone. They won't come back to the GW website save for vouchers, discounts, exclusive products and so forth. So turning around the sales is likely going to be a very slow process. That is unless GW starts doing 15-20% discounts to match 3rd parties

And I don't know for other non-english languages, but in french the new website is still full of big translation error and nonsense which should have been corrected week 1 at the latest.

Oooh, I got a voucher too.

This isn't something super new, I remember getting one a few years back. My mom ordered warhammer for someone last year and got one as well, and sent it to me. Though I sadly didn't use it before it expired.

pgmason wrote:
Having wanted a war wagon for nearly 30 years I've succumbed, but it was made slightly less egregious by getting a £10 webstore voucher by email yesterday, so it was effectively £70 not £80 for me. I quite like the new engineer too (and I wanted another engineer) so that helped.

I'll never understand why GW made a plastic steam tank, 2 wizard wagons and a priest wagon instead of at least one war wagon in there. WWs are more common and I can see people taking more than one. All the others are rare to unique and don't really fit the 'ordinary joe' vibe of the Empire army.

 The Phazer wrote:

Zenithfleet wrote:
(I also received one of those vouchers and am disconcerted that GW is spontaneously offering free money all of a sudden. That ain't natural. There's probably a daemon involved.)

From the last few financial reports GW's sales are up significantly, but their sales via the GW website have been consistently dropping since the redesign disaster - it really did have a significant negative effect on people buying from it. It seems like there is limited appetite from the CEO to spend significant more money on trying to fix it given how much they have burned on it so far, so the web store team are absolutely desperate to get sales going again - hence all the discount vouchers recently...

The webstore is a mess, online exclusive SKUs (like FW HH) are chronically out of stock or unavailable and prices are too high. For me, pricing from GW direct has hit the tolerance ceiling and if I can't get an item from a 3rd party discounter, I just won't buy it.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'll never understand why GW made a plastic steam tank, 2 wizard wagons and a priest wagon instead of at least one war wagon in there. WWs are more common and I can see people taking more than one. All the others are rare to unique and don't really fit the 'ordinary joe' vibe of the Empire army.

Because the War Wagon wasn't in the 8th edition Empire book and updated kits don't sell as well as something new.

That being said, with the way the 0-1 choice War Altar was built off of the wizard wagons, it seems like it would have been an easy kill to make a War Wagon variant that could have sold more. I guess the biggest question would be why it wasn't in the list.

It'd be cool if Cathay had a more realistic war wagon type unit, more of a high sided cart with more infantry in it rather than a land-hulk.