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So in the old lord, were the deaths/fates of all the primarchs mentioned? The chaos ones seem to have changed little, but for example Dorn was encased in amber before the retcon of it just being his hand.

In particular curious about Ferrus Manus and Vulkan and the other 'lesser known' loyalists

sandor1988 wrote:
So in the old lord, were the deaths/fates of all the primarchs mentioned? The chaos ones seem to have changed little, but for example Dorn was encased in amber before the retcon of it just being his hand.

In particular curious about Ferrus Manus and Vulkan and the other 'lesser known' loyalists

more or less.

for the majority of the primarchs, the broad strokes of their current lore was codifed with the "index astartes" articles in white dwarf from 3rd ed days (~1998 to the mid 2000s). elements we recognise today date back to the early 90s, but the specific fate of the loyalists form the dropsite massacre, for example, took until the index series to actually write down.

form what i can recall off the top of my head:

G man in stasis was 2e lore, as was the fates of Sanguinus, the Lion and Russ, IE: the 4 chapters that had specific rules in 2nd edition. The remaining 5 main legions were effectively codex: ultramarines in a different colour at this point, and didnt really any character until 3e/4e. salamanders weren't even dark skinned yet, for example. I don't even know when they actually published a full list of the 18 legions of the Great Crusade/Heresy, but the earliest one i remember of dates form the early days of 3rd edition, so 1998 or so.

For chaos, the death of Horus and the 4 god aligned deamon-primarchs were all 2e stuff, and the latter quartet's survival into m41 was as well.

with the other 4 chaos legions, i dont know, but i believe they weren't mentioned in the 2e codex in any detail (at this point, the chaos army was just the Black legion, the non-godly legions were alternate paint schemes, and the "godly" legions were a single specialist unit each, IE the berserkers, the Rubrics, the Plague and Noise Marines). Things like Konrad "allowing" a assassin to kill him is a 3e index creation, as is the basic stories and fates of the remaining primarchs like Pertarabo and Lorgar.


check of the codex compliant seres on youtube by Snipe and Weeb, its a pretty good overview of the the early codex lore, with detailed books on the 2e chaos and loyalist chapters. they talk about the 3rd ed ones as well, but the 3rd ed books were very light on the lore, which was shifted to White dwarf and other "secondary" scources.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

For chaos, the death of Horus and the 4 god aligned deamon-primarchs were all 2e stuff, and the latter quartet's survival into m41 was as well.

with the other 4 chaos legions, i dont know, but i believe they weren't mentioned in the 2e codex in any detail (at this point, the chaos army was just the Black legion, the non-godly legions were alternate paint schemes, and the "godly" legions were a single specialist unit each, IE the berserkers, the Rubrics, the Plague and Noise Marines). Things like Konrad "allowing" a assassin to kill him is a 3e index creation, as is the basic stories and fates of the remaining primarchs like Pertarabo and Lorgar.
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Kurzes -then just called Night Haunter- death at the hand of M'Shen was already mentioned in the 2nd edition Chaos codex, as well as the name & general gist of the backstory for Lorgar and Perturabo. Alpharius, fittingly, was not mentioned afaik.

I stand corrected.

But I'm pretty sure the majority of the stories and fates of the "minor"/"codex compliant" loyalist primarchs was a codified in 3e.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
I stand corrected.

But I'm pretty sure the majority of the stories and fates of the "minor"/"codex compliant" loyalist primarchs was a codified in 3e.

Indeed. In the 2nd edition codex, each god-aligned Legion got about a page of background, with half a page for the non-aligned ones, which was just a barebone summary of who the primarch was, the general quirks and tactics of the legion, what they did in the Heresy and how they fared afterwards. Stuff like homeworlds, culture, what the Primarchs did before and during the Crusade and so on all came about with the Index Astartes series during 3rd edition.

Sanguinius snuffing it at Horus’ hands is at least from 2nd Ed Epic, so might pre-date 2nd Ed.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sanguinius snuffing it at Horus’ hands is at least from 2nd Ed Epic, so might pre-date 2nd Ed.

We can pinpoint it pretty accurately to the period between 1988 and 1991, as neither Slaves to Darkness nor The Lost and the Damned make mention of Sanguinius' sacrifice, and posit instead that only Imperial Fist marines were besides the Emperor when boarding Horus' flagship. White Dwarf 161 had the free minigame Warmaster inside which was basically a game about the boarding action, and has Sanguinius as a gamepiece on the loyalist side, so by then it's definitely established background.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Sanguinius snuffing it at Horus’ hands is at least from 2nd Ed Epic, so might pre-date 2nd Ed.

We can pinpoint it pretty accurately to the period between 1988 and 1991, as neither Slaves to Darkness nor The Lost and the Damned make mention of Sanguinius' sacrifice, and posit instead that only Imperial Fist marines were besides the Emperor when boarding Horus' flagship. White Dwarf 161 had the free minigame Warmaster inside which was basically a game about the boarding action, and has Sanguinius as a gamepiece on the loyalist side, so by then it's definitely established background.

Not sure that's quite right, doesn't the Slaves to Darkness book have the story of the throw down between Horus and the big E, with the art and story showing a stomped Sangy, although I prefer the tin-foil fan fic wherein Sangy slays Horus and loses the plot so the big E has to kill him