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**Insularum**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Moopy wrote:
The marine sgt with the largest t-shirt cannon is.... using his pistol.
Clearly he's found a target that his hand-held Whirlwind launcher (seriously, look up the leaked rules! ) cannot handle.

Where be the leaked rules?

Auspex tactics vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on1-r0DVBQo

If accurate, about on par with normal missile launcher devastators damage per point/worse than lascannon devastators once you realise you pick frag or krak - not both like every other imperial missile launcher (why take a krak only missile launcher when other dedicated anti tank is available).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Groovy, thank you!

**The Phazer**

Not Online!!! wrote:
MajorWesJanson wrote:
PuppetsWar presents: Michael Bay pattern Space Marines!
still bad.

Exhausts from rockets is "redacted" by the Inquisition it seems.

Which is a shame, a decent missile launcher unit would be nice to see...

Yeah, they're less gratuitously stupid looking but they're still quite silly. It really does make a lot more sense for missile launchers to be shoulder mounted, and if they just made a more boxy version of the existing marine launcher or a multi-barrelled one (that wouldn't have looked that far off a real world launcher). Are any of the Guard tank hunter killer missiles small enough to not look silly on a marine?

**lost_lilliputian**

Light 'em up Fozzie

**Vermis**

**Daedalus81**

drbored wrote:
You're raising children of good culture

Raise 'em right! CSM4LYFE!

**No One Important**

Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Jadenim wrote:
Moopy wrote:
1. The marine sgt with the largest t-shirt cannon is.... using his pistol.

I have many complaints about these models (and a lot of the Primaris silliness), but I don’t think that’s fair. The article specifically mentions that some of the missiles are indirect fire weapons and even if it’s a direct fire version you’re not going to use a missile against an Ork standing 5 feet in front of you!

Then what's the point of power armor?!

Surviving rocket jumps. These guys do move like jump infantry, right?

**Voss**

Insularum wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Moopy wrote:
The marine sgt with the largest t-shirt cannon is.... using his pistol.
Clearly he's found a target that his hand-held Whirlwind launcher (seriously, look up the leaked rules! ) cannot handle.

Where be the leaked rules?

Auspex tactics vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on1-r0DVBQo

If accurate, about on par with normal missile launcher devastators damage per point/worse than lascannon devastators once you realise you pick frag or krak - not both like every other imperial missile launcher (why take a krak only missile launcher when other dedicated anti tank is available).

So only the pop-gun and the sgt special rifle are indirect fire, and the frag and krak just tamp down the RanDumb d6 rolls to d3+3.
Anti-tank by weight of fire kinda works, I guess. Not really sold on 165 pts for 5 S8 AP-2 shots seems... iffy. And only 4 shots if the sergeant is stuck with the other gun.

Feels like another mediocre primaris unit that will need multiple tuning updates, but I'll admit I'd rather be underwhelmed than see these awful models on tables in droves.

**Tyel**

Yeah, kind of feel if they release with those leaked rules they are a very good counter to the whole "GW make new stuff OP to sell models" argument. Given GW can presumably count, I have to assume we are missing something significant.

I'm tempted to say the models must get either 2 Superfrag or Superkrak missiles. Don't know if that's too crazy, but it would seem the obvious answer - and fits what's on the model.

**BorderCountess**

No One Important wrote:
Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Jadenim wrote:
Moopy wrote:
1. The marine sgt with the largest t-shirt cannon is.... using his pistol.

I have many complaints about these models (and a lot of the Primaris silliness), but I don’t think that’s fair. The article specifically mentions that some of the missiles are indirect fire weapons and even if it’s a direct fire version you’re not going to use a missile against an Ork standing 5 feet in front of you!

Then what's the point of power armor?!
Surviving rocket jumps. These guys do move like jump infantry, right?

With those missile launchers, they must.

But so far, I'm having a hard time figuring out how these guys are worth it compared to traditional Devstators. It's not like the extra slap attack is worth a whole lot...

**Voss**

Tyel wrote:
Yeah, kind of feel if they release with those leaked rules they are a very good counter to the whole "GW make new stuff OP to sell models" argument.

Honestly, they don't need to do that. Most primaris units have been a cycle of 'pretty bad' revised multiple times to 'well, I guess that's decent.' Some still haven't managed those heady heights. No need to bog down this thread with that bunk.

**JWBS**

GW responds to missile marines

**BorderCountess**

There should be at least three more bayonets around the barrel, and one attached to his helmet - just in case.

**Jadenim**

Surely it should be six bayonets and a shovel?!

Damn, now I want to kit bash a guardsmen with the entrenching tool strapped to the front of his lasgun…

**drbored**

I feel like if GW is this self-aware of their own miniatures' design flaws, they'd... not design such ridiculous space marine minis...

**Theophony**

Really like this is over the top for GW? Makers of murderface space wolves dreadnought, Santa Logan Grimnar and flying land raiders?

Or for more subtle fantasy makings.

The goblin hewer, so you don’t have to swing your own axe.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Favourite thing about that model? The dead Gobbo.

Not because dead Gobbos are inherently funny (well…they are), but because the close placement of the aces embedded in the poor thing give us an idea of just how fast the machine hurls it’s ammunition. Just a nice little “oh yeah” detail.

**JSG**

drbored wrote:
I feel like if GW is this self-aware of their own miniatures' design flaws, they'd... not design such ridiculous space marine minis...

But you're not objectively right though. Most peoples actual complaint is that they didn't first see this design when they were twelve. Terminator suits with stick legs and arms coming out of the sides of their head are "iconic" but these are "ridiculous"

**Smaug**

JSG wrote:
drbored wrote:
I feel like if GW is this self-aware of their own miniatures' design flaws, they'd... not design such ridiculous space marine minis...

But you're not objectively right though. Most peoples actual complaint is that they didn't first see this design when they were twelve. Terminator suits with stick legs and arms coming out of the sides of their head are "iconic" but these are "ridiculous"

I honestly believe terminators are socket soldiers from alita battle angel.

**Danny76**

Without scrolling the whole thread.
Has the Battletome order been addressed?

The article says BoC and Gitz for winter, and then Seraphon planned for late spring alongside 3 others.
But then the picture is 5 Spring, 1 so far Summer being Seraphon.

It seems odd.
Do we know what the order and the two each of Chaos and Death times for Spring are?
And as to why they say late Spring for Seraphon but put it in the Summer section..

**Tsagualsa**

Danny76 wrote:
Without scrolling the whole thread.
Has the Battletome order been addressed?

The article says BoC and Gitz for winter, and then Seraphon planned for late spring alongside 3 others.
But then the picture is 5 Spring, 1 so far Summer being Seraphon.

It seems odd.
Do we know what the order and the two each of Chaos and Death times for Spring are?
And as to why they say late Spring for Seraphon but put it in the Summer section..

BOLS has an article that more or less reasons it out, and comes to the conclusion:

We’re not 100% sure but here’s how we’d do it:

Spring

Order – Seraphon
Chaos – Blades of Khorne
Chaos – Hedonites of Slaanesh
Death – Ossiarch Bonereapers
Death – Flesh Eater Courts

Summer

Order – Kharadron Overlords

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2022/11/age-of-sigmar-we-need-to-talk-about-the-2023-roadmap.html

Obviously, we now know that the summer spot is Seraphon, so Kharadron Overlords may be moved to spring, or the spring slot is something completely different.

As for the confusion about Spring/Summer: there may still be all sorts of logistics issues behind that schedule, they apparently still have problems in sourcing packaging materials and distrubitung stuff to all markets in a timely manner, so a delay of a couple of weeks may still be in the cards, who knows. Maybe they got confused themselves, maybe they're playing it safe, maybe it's just as trivial as battletome/preorders in late spring and release of the majority of models in early summer. We have no way to find out.

**xttz**

Tsagualsa wrote:

As for the confusion about Spring/Summer: there may still be all sorts of logistics issues behind that schedule, they apparently still have problems in sourcing packaging materials and distrubitung stuff to all markets in a timely manner, so a delay of a couple of weeks may still be in the cards, who knows. Maybe they got confused themselves, maybe they're playing it safe, maybe it's just as trivial as battletome/preorders in late spring and release of the majority of models in early summer. We have no way to find out.

Recently when the release dates have been vague like that it's been due to the existence of an army box muddying the waters. So we might see something like a Seraphon army box in May, followed by the main battletome release and more models in June.

**NAVARRO**

Changing the models to look like you want them to look is basically a full hobby in itself.
In that regards GW always did stinkers and we always did our own thing regardless if there is third parties alternatives or not.

What Im saying its no rocket science to understand peoples willing to mod a stinker.

I dont think these are THAT bad or beyond repair. Oversized yeah but salvageable with some cuts.

**Danny76**

I guess those sound about right.
Perhaps because they are previewing models for Seraphon but not the others, we might be looking at a character at most for those ones if we haven’t seen anything else for them in previews by now.

Would have liked to have seen something bigger update wise with Duardin in some form.
For either of their tomes even

**Tsagualsa**

Danny76 wrote:
I guess those sound about right.
Perhaps because they are previewing models for Seraphon but not the others, we might be looking at a character at most for those ones if we haven’t seen anything else for them in previews by now.

Would have liked to have seen something bigger update wise with Duardin in some form.
For either of their tomes even

There is some stuff in the rumour engine that fits the Slaaneshi aesthetics, some blades, a broken statue that's probably part of a characters base, and there's some skull/hair/claw stuff that could easily be FEC, so some limited character stuff or a couple of boxes for them is not out of the question.

**Chikout**

Danny76 wrote:
Without scrolling the whole thread.
Has the Battletome order been addressed?

The article says BoC and Gitz for winter, and then Seraphon planned for late spring alongside 3 others.
But then the picture is 5 Spring, 1 so far Summer being Seraphon.

It seems odd.
Do we know what the order and the two each of Chaos and Death times for Spring are?
And as to why they say late Spring for Seraphon but put it in the Summer section..

It's definitely Slaanesh and Khorne for Chaos. Those are the only books left. Death are two out of FEC, Bonereapers and Soulblight. Hot money is on FeC coming later with quite a few new minis. Seraphon are getting a Fomo box before their main release so the box will probably come in late Spring with the rest of the release in Summer. The next book at the start of spring is almost certainly Kharadron Overlords.

**tneva82**

Tsagualsa wrote:

Obviously, we now know that the summer spot is Seraphon, so Kharadron Overlords may be moved to spring, or the spring slot is something completely different.

As for the confusion about Spring/Summer: there may still be all sorts of logistics issues behind that schedule, they apparently still have problems in sourcing packaging materials and distrubitung stuff to all markets in a timely manner, so a delay of a couple of weeks may still be in the cards, who knows. Maybe they got confused themselves, maybe they're playing it safe, maybe it's just as trivial as battletome/preorders in late spring and release of the majority of models in early summer. We have no way to find out.

Kharadron is only one left for spring. Well CoS upgrade but good luck for anybody thinking that big upgrade comes next

Maybe it's just seraphon being bigger update so longer hype time for them.

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Chikout wrote:

It's definitely Slaanesh and Khorne for Chaos. Those are the only books left. Death are two out of FEC, Bonereapers and Soulblight. Hot money is on FeC coming later with quite a few new minis. Seraphon are getting a Fomo box before their main release so the box will probably come in late Spring with the rest of the release in Summer. The next book at the start of spring is almost certainly Kharadron Overlords.

Well it's KO or CoS. We know order is next so that leaves KO or CoS. And as CoS is big upgrade it would have to be seen by now...

Biggest mystery is which death drew short stick and will either chaos or death combo be dual release or separate(and in this case which order. khorne, then slaanesh or reverse?) and are there dual boxes.

**Dysartes**

NAVARRO wrote:
Changing the models to look like you want them to look is basically a full hobby in itself.
In that regards GW always did stinkers and we always did our own thing regardless if there is third parties alternatives or not.

What Im saying its no rocket science to understand peoples willing to mod a stinker.

I dont think these are THAT bad or beyond repair. Oversized yeah but salvageable with some cuts.

Errm... what're ye on about, Navarro?

**NAVARRO**

Dysartes wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Changing the models to look like you want them to look is basically a full hobby in itself.
In that regards GW always did stinkers and we always did our own thing regardless if there is third parties alternatives or not.

What Im saying its no rocket science to understand peoples willing to mod a stinker.

I dont think these are THAT bad or beyond repair. Oversized yeah but salvageable with some cuts.

Errm... what're ye on about, Navarro?

Me and my ramblings hey?

I was on about the post from Azreal.

"

Azreal13 wrote:
Why are people so desperate to "fix" the missile launcher action figures?

They've pretty universally been panned on any platform I've seen them discussed, and yet people are still talking about saving them!

Don't!

Collectively we got here because GW have realised they can turn out any old gak and people buy it, plus a percentage of other kits too as people pick up whatever they feel they need in bits to execute their plan. Which, let's face it, is probably only really followed through on in a percentage of cases.

GW don't care that you think the kit you bought sucked, and you "fixed" them. Your money looks exactly the same in their bank account as the money of somebody who loved them.

If you think they're awesome, fill your boots, no judgement (well, maybe a little...) But all you do as a member of the "I hate them, I'm only buying two boxes" crowd is send the message that, at worst, you're indifferent to the design, or, at worse, you enthusiastically want more of it.

"

**Tsagualsa**

Valrak is drumming up tomorrow for a 'Huge' reveal about the Lion... would make sense if AoO Book 2 contains that stuff and they want to hype it on the community page before the preorders go live.