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I like everything I am hearing. Lets see if they get the follow though right

I like the new gaunts, but not overly so. The are very detailed with lots of boney protusion. Not necesarily something I'm looking for in swarm unit like that.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
They're talking about things like rules bloat and having a way to bring only the rules you need to a game. It sounds like a step in the right direction...

Sorry to be cynical, but it sounds like time for an Admiral Ackbar impression. Things are almost always simple at the start of an edition. Let's see if it carries through the next three years.

I did note in the write-up that Codexes will replace Free Rules eventually, so Books will still cost $$$

But everything else seems neat. I'm probably still sidelined in 40k for the time being but it seems like a great starting point for people who really want to get in and people who are excited to play 40k in general.

Wjats the new stats, OC or something like that?

 streetsamurai wrote:
Wjats the new stats, OC or something like that?

"Objective Control".

 streetsamurai wrote:
Wjats the new stats, OC or something like that?

OC is Objective Control. Affects the unit's ability to control objectives.

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
They're talking about things like rules bloat and having a way to bring only the rules you need to a game. It sounds like a step in the right direction...

Sorry to be cynical, but it sounds like time for an Admiral Ackbar impression. Things are almost always simple at the start of an edition. Let's see if it carries through the next three years.

Absolutely true. Would be a shame if six months of glorious Indexhammer end up right back where are now again. The blog post mentions a 'one-in, one-out' ethos to adding rules to factions with the Codex releases, so maybe...

I absolutely love how GW can go onto their biggest livestream and say "well, that's it, we can wrap it up, right?" "Yeah, that's it."

And then roll straight into 10th after taking the piss.

They sure do have a sense of humor.

They're using Toughness values higher than 10! And AP is more rare. Finally!

And no Power Level on the sheet. Interesting.

Less AP, expanded top range of Toughnesses.

Ok, Combat Patrol is silly. "Buy our boxes". I guess that makes the Death Guard one legal, finally.

Sucks if your Combat Patrol is garbage.

Wow...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, Combat Patrol is silly. "Buy our boxes". I guess that makes the Death Guard one legal, finally.

Sucks if your Combat Patrol is garbage.

Supposedly they are limiting some of the things/items/units in Combat Patrol to even the field.

Like... use Line A for Combat Patrol, but if it's a full on 2000 point game, use Line B instead.

 TalonZahn wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
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We already have the MOST generic Primarch running around, might as well bring back the second most generic Primarch as well.

... only those two (Gulliman, Johnson) that could have been alternate candidates for Warmaster (and hence best choice for Regent). Dorn a bit too one-dimensional, the rest of them various levels of deranged. Ignore the disinformation presented in the recent lore installment, Sanguinius lacks the desire which is a disqualifying factor...

/Edit - immediately after writing that little diatribe I went to YT and saw this clip, so I suppose I'm not completely alone in thinking along these lines https://youtube.com/shorts/lvNt17WKWi8?feature=share

I'll leave this here:

"Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been his..."

—Warmaster Horus praises his brother Primarch Sanguinius

If GW *really* wanted to blow minds, that's how they would do it.

Indeed, disinformation from a most surprising source, Abnett himself. I urge you to disregard this BA propaganda (still best legion and Primarch though).

Mixed bag on the preview. Gotta say I'm shocked the Lion is old and I don't like it one bit. He seems tiny too compared to Robute, better model ofc but old and small. Gutted. Rest of the stuff seemed decent. Fluff is going to be an absolute mess. Biggest tyranid invasion ever, plus whatever is going on with Abaddon (I'm glad I don't follow the fluff anymore). Mike is a good host, his demeanour makes Eddie appear very twitchy by comparison.

HH players get rekt. People who bought the recent DA terminators in the SoulForge box get rekt but moreso

Dissapointed that there was no necromunda preview. Its been what, 2 or 3 previews since we got one?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, Combat Patrol is silly. "Buy our boxes". I guess that makes the Death Guard one legal, finally.

Sucks if your Combat Patrol is garbage.

This a total trap for beginners, and might discourage them from trying the main game if they try this first, go "the faction I picked SUCKS!", and give up.

Kinda happened to me in 7th when I started, I got the Orks start collecting box and got gak whipped by my friend's space marines. Thankfully he had multiple armies and let me play one of them to learn the game better while I got more unit variety for my army, otherwise I probably would've quit.

It’s a far simpler edition!!!
Yeah, we’ll see you in 2 years to see how this ages.
Same old routine. Keep your future codexes, I’m all good.

I was excited for Indomitus box but this one just isn’t going to do it for me.

 zend wrote:
Did I hear that right? Free rules?

Only for the start of the edition, obviously.

JWBS wrote:
Mixed bag on the preview. Gotta say I'm shocked the Lion is old and I don't like it one bit. He seems tiny too compared to Robute, better model ofc but old and small

His hair is blond rather than grey or white, and his face doesn't look any more lined than the average Space Marine Captain.

As for size, I think it's just the bulkier proportions making him look more squat than RG, because on a side-by-side comparison they look about the same height.

Okay, how I feel about each release announcement:
1. The Lion: OMG I GOTTA HAVE IT! AFTER ALL THESE YEARS I CAN FINALLY HAVE A MODEL OF THIS GUY FOR 40K! Dark Angels were my first 40k army back in 2014, so while many will probably jump on the bandwagon because of this release, I and others like me have truly earned it, waiting through times of terrible rules in editions past for our Primarch to come and deliver us.

2. New Seraphon: I definitely love the models; they are so much better than the outdated WHFB leftovers that the faction has been stuck with for so long. Not gonna start a second AoS army because of them though.

3. OBR and SBGL new minis/books: The models are cool, but neither faction appeals to me personally.

4. Warhammer Underworlds new warbands: Both new bands are really cool, but I don't play Underworlds so will probably give it a miss.

5. Kill Team: Gallowfall: I don't really have a local Kill Team scene near me, and the models don't do enough for me despite the fact that I do have a Votann army that I'm slowly putting together. That being said, the terrain is pretty awesome.

6. Cities of Sigmar Militia: These guys look really cool; sort of the medieval version of Astra Militarum units (normal humans facing incredibly dangerous foes with inadequate equipment).

7. 10th Edition Warhammer 40k: Hoo boy, where to begin? I love that the rules are going to be free, as are the unit datasheets and points. And I'm glad that some of the more out-there rumors about how the game is changing mechanically don't appear to be true. I consider myself to be cautiously optimistic at this point. Models-wise, they really didn't give us that much to look at yet, but the new Terminators and Termagants do look pretty good, and if the animation is showing what's going to be in the new starter it should be an absolute banger if you're a Space Marine or Tyranid player (I might be seriously tempted to start Nids the same way I was tempted to start Necrons at the start of 9th).

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Morale doesn't kill you anymore.

Thank feth!

Indeed. Now bring back templates and facing, and i might play this edition

 streetsamurai wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Morale doesn't kill you anymore.

Thank feth!

Indeed. Now bring back templates and facing, and i might play this edition

That's not really consistent with streamlining gameplay though is it? Templates and facings just add layers of fiddling that as 8 and 9 have shown don't need to be there. The acid test for 10e will not be what it's like on launch day but what it's like 12-18 months later after several codexes have dropped.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Morale doesn't kill you anymore.

Thank feth!

Indeed. Now bring back templates and facing, and i might play this edition

You would ask for the two least meaningful features ever to be removed from the game. Hey, why not bring back the death from the skies from 7th too? Ooh, how about random warlord traits? Formations?

It might just be having psychics rolled back into the rest of the game again, but I'm seriously getting 3rd edition vibes here from all of the streamlining talk.

So expecting that on release we're going to hear a lot of complaints about all of the stuff that's been removed, and then in another 10 years or so a bunch of people will be reminiscing on how much better it was back when the game was simpler...

Lion looks great, but familiar...


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RIP to the force org chart

 insaniak wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Mixed bag on the preview. Gotta say I'm shocked the Lion is old and I don't like it one bit. He seems tiny too compared to Robute, better model ofc but old and small

His hair is blond rather than grey or white, and his face doesn't look any more lined than the average Space Marine Captain.

As for size, I think it's just the bulkier proportions making him look more squat than RG, because on a side-by-side comparison they look about the same height.

He's growing on me. He definitely looks old, lots of people in stream chat apparently noted this too though I wasn't reading. Age probably doesn't mean infirmity though so as long as he's not small (I have my doubts) I'm okay with it. I have the other version anyway but I think I'll get this one too now I've come to terms with the face.

10th edition looks like a cool video game LoL. What was that?

Terminator legs look much better. No longer look like they have old man legs.

Gaunts are gaunts...idk. Not much here to get excited about for 40K. Still not going to play.

Lizardmen look cool. Kroxigors an obvious improvement but I'm not really a fan. Better 3d print options out there imo.

The Saurus Cav and Skink Cav are incredible imo.

The Free Cities guys are... Ok? They look very whimsical in design with stupid helmets. Shields are cool. Too bad they won't come with hardly any options and will all be monopose if recent releases are any indication. Kills my interest.

 insaniak wrote:
It might just be having psychics rolled back into the rest of the game again, but I'm seriously getting 3rd edition vibes here from all of the streamlining talk.

So expecting that on release we're going to hear a lot of complaints about all of the stuff that's been removed, and then in another 10 years or so a bunch of people will be reminiscing on how much better it was back when the game was simpler...

Going from 2nd Ed to 3rd it felt like so much was lost in the simplification. 25 years later and I think HH2.0 is great because at the core it’s upgraded 3rd Ed.

If they can keep the stratagems locked down in volume that will increase the appeal I think.

Whelp the Lions look definitely quashes the old urban myth that the Dark Angels were the “Native American” marines chapter. ?