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Probably the best thing is that Termegant reaction ability. If more units have things like that (and they've hinted there are more) that will really give players more ways to engage with what their opponent is doing on their opponents turn.

Necronmaniac05 wrote:
Probably the best thing is that Termegant reaction ability. If more units have things like that (and they've hinted there are more) that will really give players more ways to engage with what their opponent is doing on their opponents turn.

I don't doubt the eldar of every stripe will have things like this, it seems the best place to show their speed and reaction time.


Anyone have any guesses on the Ld test mechanic? Termagants have 8+, so perhaps roll 1D6 + remaining models in a unit and equal or exceed the value? Or may be roll 2D6 and subtract the casualties this round, trying to get the number?

Depends whether they want high Ld = good, or low Ld=good

As someone who played multiple 40K armies from 1990 - 2002 as 3rd ed became more bloated I just lost interest and moved to WHFB and other games.
2nd ed was manageable due to the small size of the forces but they get bigger and bigger each edition.

The last few editions I have been watching games at my FLGS and 40K is horrendously complex from before the game, keeping up with control points, objectives etc.
Playing AOS is similar and at 2000 points I am yet to get into turn 3 after 3 hours. just too much book keeping to make it enjoyable.

remember when you just killed the enemy?

As an Imperial Guard player I saw one thing in the article that causes both joy and concern.

The force organisation chart going away does mean that one can build a nice armoured company.

But the infantry company is in trouble. When they mention the rule of three there is a little asterisk

"* Units with the Battleline keyword can be taken up to six times, so your dream of a full Space Marine Battle Company army can still be fulfilled…"

I disliked the fact that they broke up the infantry squad profile in the latest codex, but if they continue with each unit being a different datasheet, at least that means one can still make an infantry company

Do I like the new Termagant? Yes, it looks great but...I do not like that it is bigger than the old model.

Oh, and because it has to be said:

Valrak was right.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Do I like the new Termagant? Yes, it looks great but...I do not like that it is bigger than the old model.

It's not that much bigger. It's not new vs old Terminator levels of bigger.

Dirk Reinecke wrote:
As an Imperial Guard player I saw one thing in the article that causes both joy and concern.

The force organisation chart going away does mean that one can build a nice armoured company.

But the infantry company is in trouble. When they mention the rule of three there is a little asterisk

"* Units with the Battleline keyword can be taken up to six times, so your dream of a full Space Marine Battle Company army can still be fulfilled…"

I disliked the fact that they broke up the infantry squad profile in the latest codex, but if they continue with each unit being a different datasheet, at least that means one can still make an infantry company

Or they bring back platoons as one slot.

John D Law wrote:
Whelp the Lions look definitely quashes the old urban myth that the Dark Angels were the “Native American” marines chapter. ?

They never were. With no homeworld left they just recruit from many different worlds, and one of them was the world of the Plains People who were, obviosly, inspirated by native Americans. But it has nothing to do with Jonson or Caliban.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Oh, and because it has to be said:

Valrak was right.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Do I like the new Termagant? Yes, it looks great but...I do not like that it is bigger than the old model.

It's not that much bigger. It's not new vs old Terminator levels of bigger.

Yeah, but still I would rather have them smaller than humans, like big dogs sized.

The bravest boy

Underworlds new box is awesome! I like new models for Bonereapers and Gravelords too.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
As someone who played multiple 40K armies from 1990 - 2002 as 3rd ed became more bloated I just lost interest and moved to WHFB and other games.
2nd ed was manageable due to the small size of the forces but they get bigger and bigger each edition.

The last few editions I have been watching games at my FLGS and 40K is horrendously complex from before the game, keeping up with control points, objectives etc.
Playing AOS is similar and at 2000 points I am yet to get into turn 3 after 3 hours. just too much book keeping to make it enjoyable.

remember when you just killed the enemy?

My 3500 point Imperial Guard Army in 2nd edition is about 1750 depending on the force org chart. Everything just got so much cheaper - a guardsmen squad dropped from 125 points to 60 points. Tanks dropped from 250 points to about 140-150ish. I finally just stopped playing them because I couldn't get Mordians and Praetorians any more.

Since the video and talking points clearly say new ”upscaled” Terminators can we then surmise an upscaled box dreadnought as well! ??? Cuz, well there it was!

 insaniak wrote:

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Terminators that look like Terminators

Couldn't ask for more

I mean, they're bulkier, but they still have dislocated shoulders that sit higher than their necks. Which is a weird choice given the push everywhere else in the range for more realistic proportions.

New Termagants look cool, though. And the Screamer Killer in the trailer was cool...

The shoulders look LESS disconnected though, so with the resizing they look closer to Primaris proportions, which was absolutely necessary.

The Deathwing were, their origin story is about cleansing a recruitment world / home world to the protagonists, a plains society of tribes etc. They had feathers / totems / neolithic art styled heraldry. Very good story iirc, I haven't read it for like decades so my memory of it is a bit fuzzy. I remember some of the names though, native American style names Weasel Fierce, Two Heads Talking etc. This was before the Heresy lore was established though.

Lion looks awesome except the grandpa head but the helmeted ones are beautiful so I am happy.

Just catching up on stuff on the commute to work. The Lion looks pretty cool, bit of a weird face but I guess I'm interested to see what happens with the lore. I don't play enough games to be that interested in the 10th edition release but I hope it's less bloated with extras than the few games of 9th I played? Probably not right..

I'm happy about the Votann Kill Team, especially the jet pack. That looks excellent and also makes me interested to see the next release of kit down the line. I'm not sure why they used Hearthkyn when the Hernkyn are the Pioneers and would have made more sense..? I guess didn't want to make new models and just went with an upgrade sprue, oh well. The Beastmen look great as well so definitely will pick that up.


I've not seen all the rest but I have to say I'm actually quite impressed with the Cities of Sigmar models. Nicely different from WFB and with that returning makes sense to make some really different minis and I quite like them. Not mad keen on any AoS stuff but those look good.

Edit: oh gak I forgot - the new Terminators look awesome. I love Terminators, so I definitely want them.

KT teams both look cool but IMO Beastmen win.

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
They're talking about things like rules bloat and having a way to bring only the rules you need to a game. It sounds like a step in the right direction...

Sorry to be cynical, but it sounds like time for an Admiral Ackbar impression. Things are almost always simple at the start of an edition. Let's see if it carries through the next three years.

Absolutely true. Would be a shame if six months of glorious Indexhammer end up right back where are now again. The blog post mentions a 'one-in, one-out' ethos to adding rules to factions with the Codex releases, so maybe...

When rather than if. Because GW always returns to the same place.

M.

A thought has occured. I hope they don't take the away the Sentinels and Leman Russes ability to be taken in groups like they did for the Hellhounds and Basiliks and Hydras

Well that was fun little set of reveals after good night sleep.

Lion ok. Dislike primarch super hero 40k style but ah well. Hopefully rules not too busted. 10th ed rules cautiously optimistic they might be better core than 8e/9e but of course then there's still inevitable codex creep danger.

Seraphon awesome looking and will be nice to see them lined up against me. Luckily seraphon is popular army locally so expecting lots of these OBR & Soulblight heroes look good and hoping obr rises from slumber again locally with these. For soulblight interested to see are zombies redesigned rules wise. Always felt weird they have very long threat range...

COS looks good. Still waiting to hear what happens to rest of COS range(phoenix guard etc). Can I still use them? Total purge? Haven't bought anything for COS for ages just in case.

Rest of reveals not relevant for me. Like the sound of HH campaign book(beats 40k psychic awakening style of free rules for specific factions).

- The Lion looks great, rumors were spot-on regarding several head options.

- Upscaled Terminators and Termagants look good, lack of change in overall design is much appreciated. Looking forward to seeing new tyranid morphs, the initial ambush reminded me of the old carnifex sculpt.

- Lizardmen look fantastic, very much in line with classic designs. I will absolutely build my next fantasy army with those sculpts.

- Cities of Sigmar look weird to say the least. Not at all what I would have expected.

I'm really hoping to see more Beastmen come out with a full Lost and Damned army. Also, the model with the gas grenade and plague knife gives me hope that we will see new god-specific Beastmen.

- Leonel Messi is better then Lion El'Jonson. I certainly prefer the helmeted heads. Now the problem is WHICH of the helmeted heads.

I'm still a son of Russ/Vulkan at heart though.

- OH BROTHER IN THE GREAT PLAN.

Aggradons do not seem to replace Saurus Knights. They appear to be on the base size of the Varanguard, which is awesome, and they seem to come only in units of three, and that makes me think Cold Ones will still stay for another while before getting an actual resculpt. Sorry if they already said this on stream, but I was just screaming and laughing of pure excitement. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love how these aggradons, while looking a lot like the actual Jurassic Park raptors, now, thanks to our updated knowledge on dinosaurs, they also kinda look like noasaurids, the sister family of Abelisaurids (the family of dinosaurs Carnotaurus belongs to). The most recent (and only, afaIk) show on mainstream media was Masiakasaurus, the little dinosaur eating crabs in Prehistoric Planet. Aggrados now also kinda look like Megaraptorian in size compared to Carnosaurs. I do get the "don" fatigue, but hey, we could expect new models to get "saur" names too!

I love the new Sotek Spawned Kroxigors, and while I'd prefer the Total War look, I guess they wanted to do a more, let's say, "reallistic" approach, where both arms and legs where of a more human-like proportions, rather then make them more of gorilla-like with huge, kinda cartoonish hands.

Regular Kroxies are weird though. They look a ton just like Dehaka from StarCraft II, or Heroes of the Storm, or, that being said, Primal Zergs, so maybe they could be excellent conversions for 40K, ironically. I have to see yet other paintjobs, but the Blessed Spawn is just better.

I doubt I'll get the army box, but I'm still hooked.

F for Razordon not getting a refresh.

- I just kinda not care for Death heroes, but hey, is nice to see them getting their book. Poor Lady forgor to vax.

FEC not having their tome yet only makes me think they will be really strong once they get they're out, which should be sooner because they just leaked the next Warcry box, which is SCE versus FEC!

- I really don't care about the Dawnbringers though. And those models are bland as heck.

- I like the new Underworlds box set. SCE are solid but HOLY MOLLY TZEENTCH IS OBSCENE. That's the kind of abominant, warped horrors/tzaangors I want.

- THOSE 40K BEASTMEN AND UPGRADED LOV ARE AWESOME!!!! I do hope to get that box. This also gives us a glimpse of what Fantasy Beasties should look like in a few editions or so.

- 10th has the best cinematic trailer ever. It does feel like Leviathan fleet is just going to consume everyone. Ultras getting the L like that is so therapeutic (no hate, just kind of laughable). The new Termies look amazing, the refreshed Termas too. I haven't readed the article and I was busy doing some chores while they explained the rules, but if they want to rid off the rules bloat, I'm on.

John D Law wrote:
Since the video and talking points clearly say new ”upscaled” Terminators can we then surmise an upscaled box dreadnought as well! ??? Cuz, well there it was!

The dreadnought in the trailer was just a Redemptor.

 CMLR wrote:


FEC not having their tome yet only makes me think they will be really strong once they get they're out, which should be sooner because they just leaked the next Warcry box, which is SCE versus FEC!.

Well we can see they aren't coming out before late autumn at most. After COS.


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 insaniak wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Since the video and talking points clearly say new ”upscaled” Terminators can we then surmise an upscaled box dreadnought as well! ??? Cuz, well there it was!

The dreadnought in the trailer was just a Redemptor.

Since when redemptor got twin lascannon?

2:28 in video. That doesn't look redemptor shoulder pad...

 TalonZahn wrote:
HH Book... at least it's not a tank?

Those Seraphon are hot A F

Yay.... more settings for my unfinished Blood Angels because there's no assaulters. |: T

tneva82 wrote:

 CMLR wrote:


FEC not having their tome yet only makes me think they will be really strong once they get they're out, which should be sooner because they just leaked the next Warcry box, which is SCE versus FEC!.

Well we can see they aren't coming out before late autumn at most. After COS.


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 insaniak wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Since the video and talking points clearly say new ”upscaled” Terminators can we then surmise an upscaled box dreadnought as well! ??? Cuz, well there it was!

The dreadnought in the trailer was just a Redemptor.

Since when redemptor got twin lascannon?

2:28 in video. That doesn't look redemptor shoulder pad...

There's screen shots of the front, it's a redemptor chassis with missile launchers and lascannons.

I’m still not a fan of the idea of loyalist Primarchs in 40K, but that is a beautiful mini. If, instead, he was the first release of redoing the Heresy Primarchs in plastic, I’d be saying this is the best thing ever.

Rescaled Terminators look great. Here’s hoping that this is the beginning of the end of the artificial distinction between what Primaris and firstborn can take, especially vehicles. Primaris vehicles look like crap (imho) and the Heresy has given us some lovely new vehicle kits. I’m looking forward to the day when people can stick assault Intercessors in a Spartan.

Kill Team continues to disappoint me with its lack of imagination. I wish it had half the creativity of Warcry.

The most exciting thing for me though is the tease of Cities of Sigmar. I love those little fellas. AoS has been needing normal humans (that aren’t just leftover Warhammer Fantasy kits) for years. These look like they’re going to be exactly what the setting is missing.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
As someone who played multiple 40K armies from 1990 - 2002 as 3rd ed became more bloated I just lost interest and moved to WHFB and other games.
2nd ed was manageable due to the small size of the forces but they get bigger and bigger each edition.

The last few editions I have been watching games at my FLGS and 40K is horrendously complex from before the game, keeping up with control points, objectives etc.
Playing AOS is similar and at 2000 points I am yet to get into turn 3 after 3 hours. just too much book keeping to make it enjoyable.

remember when you just killed the enemy?

So true.

Vehicule and terrain rules for 8th and 9th did not help either.