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**James12345**

I think another big piece of evidence is the introduction of "small scale" into golden demon.

**SamusDrake**

I must say that the Aeronautica entries for Golden Demons looked rather nice this year.

**odinsgrandson**

Would they do a relaunch of epic in a new 40k edition year?

**SamusDrake**

All we know is that we should have some more information soon regarding that teaser trailer shown at Warhammer Fest, and even then its from the "Age of Darkness".

Given that Warhammer Fest didn't cover every game in the GW library, we might be informed of another preview next week...if we're lucky.

**xttz**

I'm not expecting any news until after the new 40k is out.

After that, and assuming a release in November, we'd most likely see some kind of announcement in July followed by previews from August onwards.

**His Master's Voice**

odinsgrandson wrote:
Would they do a relaunch of epic in a new 40k edition year?

Most things point to it being a "boxed game" entry. Those things aren't really any sort of competition for 40k new edition.

**schoon**

New "boxes games" tend to come in the fall/ holiday time frame.

**SamusDrake**

The other thing to consider is that this might just be Adeptus Titanicus expanded, like Necromunda was last year, rather than going to a new edition. AT has been running on fumes since late 2021...

**RazorEdge**

I can't see them bringing just a AT expansion with Infantry and Tanks.

**Tsagualsa**

RazorEdge wrote:
I can't see them bringing just a AT expansion with Infantry and Tanks.

An AT expansion that brings Infantry, Tanks and Planes will immediately be measured against the standards of Epic anyway, there is practically no benefit to doing not-Epic deliberately.

**MajorWesJanson**

Tsagualsa wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
I can't see them bringing just a AT expansion with Infantry and Tanks.

An AT expansion that brings Infantry, Tanks and Planes will immediately be measured against the standards of Epic anyway, there is practically no benefit to doing not-Epic deliberately.

Remember when Shadows of Armageddon came out?

**Tsagualsa**

MajorWesJanson wrote:
Tsagualsa wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
I can't see them bringing just a AT expansion with Infantry and Tanks.

An AT expansion that brings Infantry, Tanks and Planes will immediately be measured against the standards of Epic anyway, there is practically no benefit to doing not-Epic deliberately.

Remember when Shadows of Armageddon came out?

Do you mean 'Shadow War: Armageddon'? Otherwise, no

**leopard**

could see armoured vehicles into AT, treated in a similar way to knights, essentially one terminal card for a unit, could see that as very easy and a simple stepping stone to see if this will fly as a concept.

infantry units could be similar

produce a kit that is not too far off the 1st edition sprue in concept, landraider, couple of rhinos and some infantry on a frame

**lord_blackfang**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Completely random thought.

I’d be fine with Epic Models not being particularly detailed.

One of my many grumps about Epic 40K is the tried to cram way too much detail on to the tanks. Not only did many end up looking ridiculous, but also made quick and dirty paint jobs look bloody awful.

Now there is a happy medium between the plain look of the original stuff and the overdone Epic 40K of course. But I’d prefer the former. It also helps the game resemble a tactical hololith display rather than being played on the field. As ever not sure I explained that last bit very well.

You don't need to look any further than Aeronautica to see the new detail level. Based on that I would expect Rhino to be about 8-10 pieces.

**Sarouan**

lord_blackfang wrote:

You don't need to look any further than Aeronautica to see the new detail level. Based on that I would expect Rhino to be about 8-10 pieces.

The big difference between land vehicles and planes is that you don't especially need to make the bottom of the first if you'll never be seeing it on the battlefield. 1st edition rhinos were hollow for that reason (and also cheaper cost of production).

**RazorEdge**

lord_blackfang wrote:
You don't need to look any further than Aeronautica to see the new detail level. Based on that I would expect Rhino to be about 8-10 pieces.

Would expect 3 to 4 Parts for a Rhino.

**xttz**

RazorEdge wrote:

Would expect 3 to 4 Parts for a Rhino.

Probably depends how much they reuse sprues. If there's a shared frame for building rhinos, predators, and vindicators that means more separate components are likely. However if they just repeat similar parts on distinct kits then maybe not.

**Shakalooloo**

Sarouan wrote:

The big difference between land vehicles and planes is that you don't especially need to make the bottom of the first if you'll never be seeing it on the battlefield. 1st edition rhinos were hollow for that reason (and also cheaper cost of production).

Ah, so now we know the reason for the Dorn's missing underplate! They upscaled an Epic model rather than doing it the other way around!

**SamusDrake**

Tsagualsa wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
I can't see them bringing just a AT expansion with Infantry and Tanks.

An AT expansion that brings Infantry, Tanks and Planes will immediately be measured against the standards of Epic anyway, there is practically no benefit to doing not-Epic deliberately.

Its worth noting that the GW teaser specifically features a Titan element, and Adeptus Titanicus is also set in the Age of Darkness...

Given that AT has recently received a new compendium and reissued card packs, and the next likely release for the game is August( almost 3 months from now )...it could lean as much towards AT as it does either Space Marine or Epic 30K.

BTW, WHC has already ruled out planes in AT a few years ago. If that teaser had some representation of aerial units then we at least could have ruled out AT...

**MaxT**

Was it a titan element or a knight element? Or ambiguous?

**SamusDrake**

The Titanicus symbol. More specifically the "Collegia Titanica".

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/30/encoded-transmission-incoming/

**Grzzldgamerps5**

The mystserious transmission was tagged with the phrase: "Command Legions." I'm guessing Epic 30k!

**Warhams-77**

This video is definitely about Epic 30k.

Okay it could also be a reboot of the papercard 'Wargames-Series' but that's... unlikely.

**Gitdakka**

Isn't that video is the same as the last teaser? Seems to me it could be about anything. In fact "command legions" makes epic less likely, as epic is more about a couple of companies and a titan or two. A space marine legion is huge, way beyond what epic can handle. A titan legion, how many titans are that? Maybe its a smaller scale game than 6mm, maybe it's 2 or 3mm?

Maybe it's a card game?

**Grzzldgamerps5**

The teaser video clearly shows Horus heresy era sons of horus (icons) fighting imperial fists in an enclosed valley. Multiple & different size tactical map squares & rectangles are seen moving dynamically across the screen. Doubtful it’s titans “legions.” There is one square with gear & sword though. Hm. And card games don’t move. Yeah, leaning heavily towards epic 30k.

**Tsagualsa**

Grzzldgamerps5 wrote:
The teaser video clearly shows Horus heresy era sons of horus (icons) fighting imperial fists in an enclosed valley. Multiple & different size tactical map squares & rectangles are seen moving dynamically across the screen. Doubtful it’s titans “legions.” There is one square with gear & sword though. Hm. And card games don’t move. Yeah, leaning heavily towards epic 30k.

It's not exactly gear & sword, it's the Collegia Titanica icon, the upper part is a bit hard to distinguish with the glow and static:

**RazorEdge**

For an "AT+" Game, it has to few CT Icons.

100% Epic 30k.

**Warhams-77**

Yes

Not a remake of this: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_(1993)

**Gitdakka**

I'm no lore expert on titan legions, but from a quick search, a titan legion deployed 19 titans in one of the armageddon battles. That seems too many for the scale of epic and titanicus. A micro scale game would actually be very cool.

In the video, that valley could be any size

**Tsagualsa**

Gitdakka wrote:
I'm no lore expert on titan legions, but from a quick search, a titan legion deployed 19 titans in one of the armageddon battles. That seems too many for the scale of epic and titanicus. A micro scale game would actually be very cool.

In the video, that valley could be any size

You're overthinking this. 'Command Legions' is probably just marketing faff, just like they claim that you can command 'Vast armies' in Warhammer 40k, even though typical forces are company-sized at most. Mostly because nobody in the pipeline has any idea about scale or military organizations, and what commanding armies actually entails (logistics, lots and lots of logistics)