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 Albertorius wrote:

Which, OTOH, is more or less the same they said for the Age of Darkness box, which gets you about 1900 points of stuff for a single army, which... yeah, it's about regular size full army, I'd say. So maybe that is coloring my expectations, here.

HH games are typically played at 3000pts.

Age of Darkness also varies depending on how you deploy and equip units (e.g. 20 man units are cheaper than 2x10 man), so can vary from 1500-2000pts.

 xttz wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Which, OTOH, is more or less the same they said for the Age of Darkness box, which gets you about 1900 points of stuff for a single army, which... yeah, it's about regular size full army, I'd say. So maybe that is coloring my expectations, here.

HH games are typically played at 3000pts.

Age of Darkness also varies depending on how you deploy and equip units (e.g. 20 man units are cheaper than 2x10 man), so can vary from 1500-2000pts.

Are they? The games I've been seeing over here cap at two thousand.

Then again, regular 40k is frequently played at one thousand points in my region, partially to avoid a bit of the "parking lot 40k" visuals.

 Pacific wrote:
Albertorius - (said in Australian accent) "You call that an Epic Army?"

(Now fully expecting the same done back to me!)

Spoiler:

This looks like the game size I'd want from an Epic game

I think no matter what the cost of the starter set/launch box is, the real issue is getting people to buy into a whole new scale.

The cost of the starter set includes no terrain. Game size/rules is also going to dictate just how much terrain you will want. The AT terrain is not cheap.

I assuming we will see the bigger city set that had multiple sets for cheap get a reboxing, probably along with the roof set.

Thankfully there are cheaper plastic terrain options out there.

xttz wrote:


Yeah even though Leviathan is done now, I still have concerns about GW keeping up with demand. However the best case scenario for future Epic support would be this game selling out on release. The last thing we want is another Dominion or Dreadfleet situation, where GW are literally begging people to take excess stock.

haha actually, I just brought a copy of dreadfleet about two weeks ago

Perhaps if I hold off, I can buy into Legions in about 10 years on the cheap

One thing that I appreciate from the WHC article is this:

...all of your Adeptus Titanicus and Heresy-relevant Aeronautica Imperialis miniatures can be used in Legions Imperialis thanks to rules and unit profiles found in the massive Legions Imperialis Rulebook.

So it seems the rules will cover quite a bit more than the initial boxed set minis.

I just hope that this new game won't mean the end of Adeptus Titanicus. I was still hoping for some new Titan and Knight designs.

 Malika2 wrote:
I just hope that this new game won't mean the end of Adeptus Titanicus. I was still hoping for some new Titan and Knight designs.

I can't link it due to recent Twitter shenanigans, but the official Warhammer account replied to someone yesterday to confirm that the new Warhound weapons will get AT weapon cards.

That seems promising for any new AT content.

 Malika2 wrote:
I just hope that this new game won't mean the end of Adeptus Titanicus. I was still hoping for some new Titan and Knight designs.

Like others in this thread remarked, making new models cross-compliant for both systems requires minimal investment, and with Legions you now have a reason for some of the stuff on newer titans, like Anti-Air weaponry or Anti-Infantry stuff, to exist, so it's not a given that this system will have negative consequences for AT.

Yeah, Corvus Assault Pods for Warlords will now make sense


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Tsagualsa wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
I just hope that this new game won't mean the end of Adeptus Titanicus. I was still hoping for some new Titan and Knight designs.

Like others in this thread remarked, making new models cross-compliant for both systems requires minimal investment, and with Legions you now have a reason for some of the stuff on newer titans, like Anti-Air weaponry or Anti-Infantry stuff, to exist, so it's not a given that this system will have negative consequences for AT.

I think Titanicus will be relaunched with the Epic Scale badge and some repackaging.

Lets hope GW will then start to develop those.

Well, looks like a rebranding is definitely in the works - loads of Titanicus items have gone sold out:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+2699001548&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1688379480000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1688379480000%5D&view=all

Edit - Aeronautica as well:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+1588562439&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1688379600000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1688379600000%5D&view=all

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, looks like a rebranding is definitely in the works - loads of Titanicus items have gone sold out:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+2699001548&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1688379480000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1688379480000%5D&view=all

We also heard of SKU-number shenanigans a couple of weeks ago, seems to point in the same direction.

I just want my updated Imperator Titan

 Albertorius wrote:

And still, the last boxed set had two full armies . On the smaller size, but each one about 2-3 times as big as the ones in the new box ^^

This new game's box also has two full armies, actually : the SM part and the guard part. Both Warhound can easily be put one to each side as well.

Previous Epic 40k box had no Titan. just a carboard of a gargant for the orks to "balance the armies". That counts too, like it or not.

And the most important point : previous Epic 40k had indeed two armies, but of factions that can't be used together. So if you wanted to focus on only one of them, you had to sell the other / find someone else to exchange the miniatures you don't want to.

Here with the new game ? Both parts can be used in the same faction (traitors or loyalists). So you can still exchange the guard or SM part if you only want to play that part, but you can also keep it and still use it in your games.

That's actually more clever, IMHO. More options for the customer than before.

when Space Marine 1st came out it was more or less the end of Adeptus Titanicus, instead to play Titans you had SM & "Codex Titanicus" which also had the Ork & Eldar base rules IIRC

though the systems were similar they were not identical, and I wonder if similar will happen here with the AT rules merged in some way.

given the current AT while I don't think its as good as the earlier versions is actually a good game (though not as versatile in titan customisation) I would hope its broadly compatible so titans firing at titans is essentially as they are now, how they move is as they are now etc, just with ways for them to interact with the smaller stuff when not smacking each other about

Hoping for some good info today on how it plays.

Mostly because an impatient sod.

If it's really out in August we should be optimistic about getting some info. This might have to be a two-boxer situation for me

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hoping for some good info today on how it plays.

Mostly because an impatient sod.

^^^^ this, oh so much this

 zedmeister wrote:
Well, looks like a rebranding is definitely in the works - loads of Titanicus items have gone sold out:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+2699001548&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1688379480000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1688379480000%5D&view=all

Edit - Aeronautica as well:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Boxed-Games?N=3281529261+1588562439&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1688379600000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1688379600000%5D&view=all

Only TBolt was out, likely rebox to have epic base.

Titanicus stuff that sold out has been like that for a while, like 6 months.

A whole range rebox with epic base would be nice.

it would make a lot of sense for all the stuff in "8mm" to have common branding

Billicus wrote:
If it's really out in August we should be optimistic about getting some info. This might have to be a two-boxer situation for me

They’ve said to expect more info this and coming weeks.

leopard wrote:
it would make a lot of sense for all the stuff in "8mm" to have common branding

Yeah, they'll probably move to a generic Epic Scale branded box and then you just pick up what you need depending on the game you're playing

leopard wrote:
it would make a lot of sense for all the stuff in "8mm" to have common branding

They are calling it "Epic Scale" so people can stop arguing over 6mm vs 8mm vs whatever

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

leopard wrote:
it would make a lot of sense for all the stuff in "8mm" to have common branding

They are calling it "Epic Scale" so people can stop arguing over 6mm vs 8mm vs whatever

best way to do it, since its hardly a scale they will stick to anyway

Honestly if it's 300$ usd like age of darkness I don't think it will do well. At 200$ I'm in but i would like to see more agreesive pricing to start as this will basically be trying to start a new community from the ground up.

Old epic players might give it a try but they really need new blood from the start as old epic players likely already have all the models they will ever need.

And they have kinda hamstrung themselves appeal wise, they really should have had at least orks that way the zenos crowd would have been in on it also ( me included) if it had been a ork vs space marine box at thos size I think the appeal would have been far larger.

for me for the contents the ideal price point is that of the "Hive War" and current Adeptus Titanicus boxes, £105 uk

there isn't that much in the box really, they will likely aim higher with a HH big hard back book so likely closer to Age of Darkness but to be honest there isn't that much in the box to be worth it

It needs to be considerably less than the price of Age of Darkness for me to consider it.

I am weirdly excited about this release. I'm reading through the Horus Heresy novels so have a much better appreciation for internal imperial conflict!

I am a bit stumped as to why we have marines vs humans though. Granted I'm only like 8 or 9 books in the series but so far the only human armies I've read about are from the legion home worlds/systems? I haven't seen or heard much of anything about these Solar folk. I get that the idea is probably to have a full starter set as an army rather than split it in to 2 factions but still, I just feel the marines would stomp the meat bags.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It needs to be considerably less than the price of Age of Darkness for me to consider it.

yes same here, if its pricy I may wait for a few reviews and if its good just get the book, I've got Warhounds and can print marines, vehicles etc, if the price is decent, and for me thats circa £100, I'd get it, closer to £150 and I won't bother

I can still play 1st edition since I have that electronically, can likely find 2nd edition the same and have the Net Epic stuff as well so hardly short on rule systems for this

slightly disappointed there isn't a terrain box included, would be a simple way to increase the value

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:

I am a bit stumped as to why we have marines vs humans though. Granted I'm only like 8 or 9 books in the series but so far the only human armies I've read about are from the legion home worlds/systems? I haven't seen or heard much of anything about these Solar folk. I get that the idea is probably to have a full starter set as an army rather than split it in to 2 factions but still, I just feel the marines would stomp the meat bags.

We've seen nothing to suggest you're ever supposed to play the Marine part vs the Solar Aux part. The unit list on the back of the box doesn't even have separate columns for the two "factions"

Well we can make an estimate based on what already exists. We know a box of 2 warhound currently cost 75$. There's another sprue and special bases for Epic, so it's possible it's sold actually higher, but let's base ourselves on the current one.

For the vehicles, let's say there a box of 4 / 3 and a box of 2 (the Leman Russ / Predator, and the super heavies). We can make a comparison with Aeronautica Imperialis that tend to sell 50$ a box (number varies, depends of the size from 6 to 2). Let's assume it's somewhat 25-35$ the box.

For the infantry, based on what I see and the options, I'd say they sell the different faction parts together with the dreadnoughts / sentinels ( I don't see them sold separately, it feels a bit too small for that but maybe I'm wrong). Let's say 50$ each set , maybe 60 ?

The book itself is likety to be sold like a regular rulebook from other games. I'd say 60-70$, given its size.

It arrives at a 365$ together (assuming there's nothing else).

Now if we make a bundle price...I guess we could go down to 250-300$. 200, I'm not sure if it's really accurate to current GW pricing and (likely) upper inflation.