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I dunno. This is the 1 pic on Warcom not from the golden angle, conveniently hidden by the DA colour scheme.

Urgh, that's not pretty.

I remember seeing in some of the earlier pictures there were bridges between the guns and the legs. But I figured, fine, you rarely look at Epic scale models from below anyway, best to have the ugly stuff on the bottom.

But the ugly stuff on the top, not great. Clearly the no undercuts means bridges will have to be used, but some of those look real bad.

In the beginning of this release I was thinking "those models are roughly equivalent quality to my own 3D prints", but now the 3D prints have taken a strong lead in the quality department

Granted, even 3D prints add some "supports" between different parts of the model (not actually expecting a gap between the bolter and the Marine's chest), but not nearly like that.

Making those marines two piece and avoiding 90% of the problems presented would have been relatively easy, so I have to assume the designers were given a hard sprue limit.

I was already on the fence because I wanted to see the infantry next to some battlemechs to see if I could have them pull double duty in two games. Unless the SA models are better than the marines, I might not bother.

Sprue pics and close-ups:
Also every Titanicus box seems to include the Command Terminal and weapon cards now which wasn't the case for everyone before

Starter box:


SM infantry:


SM tanks:


SA infantry:


SA tanks:


New Warhound weapons:


Baneblade:


Kratos:


Rhinos:


More decal sheets:


Cards:


Terrain:


Rulebook TOC:



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The reference cards are kinda strange

The SA ones say there are 32x detachment cards but we only have 24x units currently revealed? Its not the formations as there are 6x more formation cards (also 3x more than we saw from the leaks) so kinda strange? Even counting all the different Rapier/Tarantula weapon options, Flamer Auxiliaries and Baneblade/Hellhammer as its own cards would only give 30x cards

Same for the SM 38x detachment cards and 8x formations but only 29x units revealed. (Already counting the different droppod versions)

If I also count the Rapier/Tarantula options and Sicaran versions thats still only 32x

No One Important wrote:
I was already on the fence because I wanted to see the infantry next to some battlemechs to see if I could have them pull double duty in two games. Unless the SA models are better than the marines, I might not bother.

imo they look distinctly too big for BattleTech infantry (but I am looking forward to using some Terminators as Battle Armor).

 Altruizine wrote:

No One Important wrote:
I was already on the fence because I wanted to see the infantry next to some battlemechs to see if I could have them pull double duty in two games. Unless the SA models are better than the marines, I might not bother.

imo they look distinctly too big for BattleTech infantry (but I am looking forward to using some Terminators as Battle Armor).

Definitely looks that way, but I'm still hoping that it'll miraculously work out.

Dunno if it's news, but I saw on the GW site that 25th is the preorder date for Australia.

wow not a peep from them on the live stream just now for the Epic system...

Also, when do the cards go up for pre - order? Local shop doesn't have that option available.

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
wow not a peep from them on the live stream just now for the Epic system...

Also, when do the cards go up for pre - order? Local shop doesn't have that option available.

Why would they? Its up for preorder today we already have tons of models revealed and it wasn't on the list of systems for this show

 Matrindur wrote:

 Shrapnelsmile wrote:
wow not a peep from them on the live stream just now for the Epic system...

Also, when do the cards go up for pre - order? Local shop doesn't have that option available.

Why would they? Its up for preorder today we already have tons of models revealed and it wasn't on the list of systems for this show

oh, my mistake -- for some reason I thought it was on the list. no worries then.

 Matrindur wrote:
The SA ones say there are 32x detachment cards but we only have 24x units currently revealed? Its not the formations as there are 6x more formation cards (also 3x more than we saw from the leaks) so kinda strange? Even counting all the different Rapier/Tarantula weapon options, Flamer Auxiliaries and Baneblade/Hellhammer as its own cards would only give 30x cards...

Might be a duplicate card or two for common detachments.

 schoon wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
The SA ones say there are 32x detachment cards but we only have 24x units currently revealed? Its not the formations as there are 6x more formation cards (also 3x more than we saw from the leaks) so kinda strange? Even counting all the different Rapier/Tarantula weapon options, Flamer Auxiliaries and Baneblade/Hellhammer as its own cards would only give 30x cards...

Might be a duplicate card or two for common detachments.

I forgot that every card is included twice, that way the cards should only have the units that are in the core book, nothing from the expansion.

I'm not seeing the issue with these models - is it the undercuts? It was kind of a given the models would be single piece. If these were multipart, they'd be a nightmare to build.. I think they look awesome?

Are you sure you are not looking these with your 28mil eyes? Zoomed up photos can make this sort of issues look much worse than they actually are IRL

The poses are the same as on the 28mil models. I suppose you could argue that reposing them for Epic scale could have resulted in less visible undercuts on the models, but there's no way to know how much resources the sculptors had and how much more work that would have required

Very much looking forward to Stahlys upcoming video on the models!

 tauist wrote:
I'm not seeing the issue with these models - is it the undercuts? It was kind of a given the models would be single piece. If these were multipart, they'd be a nightmare to build.. I think they look awesome?

Are you sure you are not looking these with your 28mil eyes? Zoomed up photos can make this sort of issues look much worse than they actually are IRL

The poses are the same as on the 28mil models. I suppose you could argue that reposing them for Epic scale could have resulted in less visible undercuts on the models, but there's no way to know how much resources the sculptors had and how much more work that would have required

Very much looking forward to Stahlys upcoming video on the models!

Most of the stretched blocks are fine for me since they are a single piece.
These two are the only ones I really don't like since half the shoulder pad is inside the stretched part:

 Matrindur wrote:
Sprue pics and close-ups:
Also every Titanicus box seems to include the Command Terminal and weapon cards now which wasn't the case for everyone before

More decal sheets:

Spoiler:

I was going to ask where the new decal sheet came from, but the source has them named 'VehicleTransferSheet' so there should be millions out in the wild.

Good, as I'm going to need thousands of the emperors children ones!

 Matrindur wrote:

 tauist wrote:
I'm not seeing the issue with these models - is it the undercuts? It was kind of a given the models would be single piece. If these were multipart, they'd be a nightmare to build.. I think they look awesome?

Are you sure you are not looking these with your 28mil eyes? Zoomed up photos can make this sort of issues look much worse than they actually are IRL

The poses are the same as on the 28mil models. I suppose you could argue that reposing them for Epic scale could have resulted in less visible undercuts on the models, but there's no way to know how much resources the sculptors had and how much more work that would have required

Very much looking forward to Stahlys upcoming video on the models!

Most of the stretched blocks are fine for me since they are a single piece.
These two are the only ones I really don't like since half the shoulder pad is inside the stretched part:

Isnt that the exact same model two times on the base though? If it were, that'd only be one model from the tacs.. need to check the hires sprue picts to see how many different models of tacs there are altogether

PS: Is it just me, or is everyone's queue getting longer and longer the more they wait? Mine was first 15 minutes, then 20, and now its again increased..

Here is my review of the Legions Imperialis starter set: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/11/review-legions-imperialis-boxed-set/

Got high-res sprue pics of all models and a video comparing (and measuring) old and new Epic models, hopefully answering the question about the size of the new "Epic scale" once and for all!

GW site is mental. Some people reporting a queue of over 50 mins. Element crashed briefly at 10!

 stahly wrote:
Here is my review of the Legions Imperialis starter set: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/11/review-legions-imperialis-boxed-set/

Got high-res sprue pics of all models and a video comparing (and measuring) old and new Epic models, hopefully answering the question about the size of the new "Epic scale" once and for all!

Thank you! Going to enjoy this whilst waiting in the stupid queue system at the GW store!

Order in with my local for everything else. Still got a 27 minute queue time for GW.

I won't be doing this again in the future, the queue system is just poor design.

1 missile launcher, 1 hunter killer and 1 multi melta on every rhino sprue. ouch.

After my summer Tyranids order was delayed due to not having 1 model delivered to EG, this time I've split my order between two sites with free shipping. Hopefully there's that means there's something to open that weekend.

Managed to get the starter box ordered at 10:01 followed by a few other boxes shortly after. The third party sites seem to be holding up better than last weekend, and I haven't seen anywhere with the starter unavailable yet.

 stahly wrote:
Here is my review of the Legions Imperialis starter set: https://taleofpainters.com/2023/11/review-legions-imperialis-boxed-set/

Got high-res sprue pics of all models and a video comparing (and measuring) old and new Epic models, hopefully answering the question about the size of the new "Epic scale" once and for all!

The sprue pictures are fantastic, this should be the basics GW put out a week ago (Or let you put this up early so people can view it before pre-order day) (Though saying that, with their queue system I guess it is up before pre-orders )

I'm assuming the photos are of the new book (the reprint) as the book looked dreadful on warcom the other day, so looks like it was a rush photoshop job rather than a faulty product.

 Matrindur wrote:
Sprue pics and close-ups:


SM tanks:

Spoiler:

No sprue pics for Sicarans yet

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The reference cards are kinda strange

The SA ones say there are 32x detachment cards but we only have 24x units currently revealed? Its not the formations as there are 6x more formation cards (also 3x more than we saw from the leaks) so kinda strange? Even counting all the different Rapier/Tarantula weapon options, Flamer Auxiliaries and Baneblade/Hellhammer as its own cards would only give 30x cards

Same for the SM 38x detachment cards and 8x formations but only 29x units revealed. (Already counting the different droppod versions)

If I also count the Rapier/Tarantula options and Sicaran versions thats still only 32x

Am I understanding correctly what I`m seeing - that the sprue for predators contains double the amount of turrets? Meaning both turret variants can be made from the same box and easily swapped? That`s nice if true.

Kretualdo wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Sprue pics and close-ups:


SM tanks:

Spoiler:

No sprue pics for Sicarans yet

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The reference cards are kinda strange

The SA ones say there are 32x detachment cards but we only have 24x units currently revealed? Its not the formations as there are 6x more formation cards (also 3x more than we saw from the leaks) so kinda strange? Even counting all the different Rapier/Tarantula weapon options, Flamer Auxiliaries and Baneblade/Hellhammer as its own cards would only give 30x cards

Same for the SM 38x detachment cards and 8x formations but only 29x units revealed. (Already counting the different droppod versions)

If I also count the Rapier/Tarantula options and Sicaran versions thats still only 32x

Am I understanding correctly what I`m seeing - that the sprue for predators contains double the amount of turrets? Meaning both turret variants can be made from the same box and easily swapped? That`s nice if true.

Indeed, the sprue has six turrets for three models

You don't get double, you get 3 for each option for both main gun and sponson. There're only 1 storm bolter in each sprue.

 Matrindur wrote:

Most of the stretched blocks are fine for me since they are a single piece.
These two are the only ones I really don't like since half the shoulder pad is inside the stretched part:

If one cannot make "dynamic" poses without having such bad models, just don't make those poses but just ones that work

I somehow have the feeling that GW was lacy, just took the HH 3D sculpts, scaled them to 1/4th the size and sent that to the mould maker as people will buy it anyway not matter how bad the outcome will be

and for the price GW is asking for the game, I expect great models and not just something "ok-ish" if you don't look close


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PS: for the scale discussion:
https://www.chaosbunker.de/de/2023/11/18/warhammer-the-horus-heresy-legions-imperialis-ausgepackt/

Chopstick wrote:
You don't get double, you get 3 for each option for both main gun and sponson. There're only 1 storm bolter in each sprue.

What I mean is, there are 3 hulls on the spure, but 6 turrets - meaning that each sprue is enough to make 3 hulls, 3 turrets with autocannon AND 3 turrets with twin lascannon, meaning that the turrets can be swapped.

Managed to preorder both card decks. Everything else will have to wait until February, moneys going to be tight during the holidays. I'll squeeze in the epub if I can before that, but there is no fear of it going out of stock so yeh

Just wondering if anyone can confirm; are the Cerastus and Porphyrion kits direct only?