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SamusDrake wrote: Just wondering if anyone can confirm; are the Cerastus and Porphyrion kits direct only?
I believe so. At least my local didn't have anything other than the basic warlord/reaver/knights available.
There was meant to be a titan battleforce for christmas like previously for AT, so I suspect they will be available in that set again. Though they may have cancelled it what with so many new releases this close to xmas for the game anyway.
Got high-res sprue pics of all models and a video comparing (and measuring) old and new Epic models, hopefully answering the question about the size of the new "Epic scale" once and for all!
Thanks for the review! Though I think there is some mistake with the stated number of what infantry bases can be made from each spure? GW photos (and counting from the sprue photos) gives me 1 command base, 4 auxilia lasrifle bases and 2 flamers and 2 veletari (guys with the axes) + 2 ogryns. For a total of 2 command, 8 lasrifle, 4 flames and 4 veletarii, as well as 4 ogryns.
Edit: and of course the aethon walkers - 2 per sprue.
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"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Managed to pick up what I wanted, starter set, 2 sets of ruins and the various new vehicle kits (plus a Thunderhawk which will be passed to my parents to be a Christmas present) from Element and then 3 sets of the tiles and the card packs from GW.
I was unsure whether I was going to go for it as it was a bit pricey but have just seen how much the HH hardbacks go for on eBay...
tauist wrote: I'm not seeing the issue with these models - is it the undercuts? It was kind of a given the models would be single piece. If these were multipart, they'd be a nightmare to build.. I think they look awesome?
Are you sure you are not looking these with your 28mil eyes? Zoomed up photos can make this sort of issues look much worse than they actually are IRL
The poses are the same as on the 28mil models. I suppose you could argue that reposing them for Epic scale could have resulted in less visible undercuts on the models, but there's no way to know how much resources the sculptors had and how much more work that would have required
Very much looking forward to Stahlys upcoming video on the models!
Most of the stretched blocks are fine for me since they are a single piece.
These two are the only ones I really don't like since half the shoulder pad is inside the stretched part:
Isnt that the exact same model two times on the base though? If it were, that'd only be one model from the tacs.. need to check the hires sprue picts to see how many different models of tacs there are altogether
Do we know how many poses there are in a box? If it's only 1 in 10 that looks like that, it's not too bad.
But I also don't like the nubs that join the shoulder pads to the backpacks.
I'm looking at it from the perspective "how is this going to look with a wash/contrast and drybrush", and so "details" that stand proud or have sharp edges are bad because of how they either pick up a drybrush or wash recedes away from them.
I would have preferred they compromise on the poses more to have models that look a bit nicer.... but at the same time, I guess it's to be expected.
Many other Epic models from 3rd parties use metal rather than plastic, I guess it has its advantages! But obviously GW don't use metal any more and people would probably cry if they did release them in metal.
The Tacticals are number 8-12 so only 5 different sculpts for the 20 tacticals per sprue. You also get a unit leader in 6 and 19 and a vexilia bearer in 7 but still 5 sculpts for 17 models. So if only one of the five has that bad stretch part and you use all three special models you would have 2 of those per 4 bases
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kodos wrote: yeah, from what it looks on the sprue, every base of 5 models will look the same except for the command base with the Sergeant
which means you get at least 1 of those per base
It might even be two since both 10 and 12 look like they could have that problem but haven't found an unboxing yet that shows them in that orientation so not sure yet
The Tacticals are number 8-12 so only 5 different sculpts for the 20 tacticals per sprue. You also get a unit leader in 6 and 19 and a vexilia bearer in 7 but still 5 sculpts for 17 models. So if only one of the five has that bad stretch part and you use all three special models you would have 2 of those per 4 bases
The sprue on Stahly's review is a bit easier to see, but yeah, looks like 4x of each pose per sprue, so 8x identical poses per box, but maybe can get away with not using it if it's the only bad pose, hard to see if it is the only bad one though.
The Tacticals are number 8-12 so only 5 different sculpts for the 20 tacticals per sprue. You also get a unit leader in 6 and 19 and a vexilia bearer in 7 but still 5 sculpts for 17 models. So if only one of the five has that bad stretch part and you use all three special models you would have 2 of those per 4 bases
It's possible that this is a tooling issue on the mold, and that while the same CAD pose is repeated ~5 times within a sprue only one instance of that pose has an issue.
If 1 in 5 marines had this defect I would have expected it to be far more obvious in the previews we've seen so far.
Looks like even with the queue system, the starter set has sold out already (Ireland/UK)
I assume its partially due to the starter being better value to buy than the individual kits, stock went quick due to people buying up multiple sets. But its a good sign for the game I guess. (Or at least means we will see a lot of impulse buys up for sale in a months time!)
I'd still rather of had Epic 40k returned, I won't hold my breath that this would tell GW to do more Epic scale lines in the future. But a sell out starter set has to be a good start. Interest is there
(or I guess they could have correctly guessed the exact stock to have for today and sold it all! )
tauist wrote: I'm not seeing the issue with these models - is it the undercuts? It was kind of a given the models would be single piece. If these were multipart, they'd be a nightmare to build.. I think they look awesome?
More the issue that the undercuts (and particularly those ones, that big) are basically only there due to the poses they chose. They seem to have forgotten that you need to pose stuff differently for single pieces.
And of course, by the time I got in the marine cards were out of stock (not showing as such yet, but add one to cart and it gives an insufficient stock error).
...Great. Oh well, that's €24 for some card they're not getting out of me. Seems like bad business but WDIK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Got a party last night, i woke up somewhat early, and every set was gone...i guess i'll have to wait a few weeks / months / years to get my paws on the starter...
if it is only 1 pose because of 1 possible position, this could have been easily avoided and the only reason not to do it is GW thinking that it is not necessary because it won't affect sales at all
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
The Tacticals are number 8-12 so only 5 different sculpts for the 20 tacticals per sprue. You also get a unit leader in 6 and 19 and a vexilia bearer in 7 but still 5 sculpts for 17 models. So if only one of the five has that bad stretch part and you use all three special models you would have 2 of those per 4 bases
The sprue on Stahly's review is a bit easier to see, but yeah, looks like 4x of each pose per sprue, so 8x identical poses per box, but maybe can get away with not using it if it's the only bad pose, hard to see if it is the only bad one though.
One solution (besides cutting of course) would be to use the two normal bolter marines per command base. You won't need as many command bases as you will probably get when buying more infantry and since the only difference on those as far as I can see is that they have a plume you could just use them as unit leaders for normal squads. You could of course also use the worse sculpts and build 5 bases of tacticals per box instead of the command cases if you don't need those.
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I wonder if bitz sellers are going to be selling individual LI models I could see myself buying 8 extra models per detachment if those are the only ones that have been kludged
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Vehicles and infantry are hardly in scale at 28mil either, nothing new here
"The larger point though, is that as players, we have more control over what the game looks and feels like than most of us are willing to use in order to solve our own problems"
Epic 40k + INQ6 Project Log 
INQ28/Necromunda/Inquisimunda Log 
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