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 Easy E wrote:
Not only were you encouraged to make your own terrain, in RT you were encouraged to make your own vehicles out of whatever was handy, and the book even featured said homemade vehicles!

Of course, GW kits at that time also had a huge amount of surplus parts - perfect for use in kit-bashing!

I haven't bought a GW vehicle kit in fifteen years, and I'm only now running short of storm bolter/dozer blade/hunter-killer missile/oddball gubbins.

There's definitely a generational divide between them what think the rules serve the player, and those who think the player serves the rules.

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Not only were you encouraged to make your own terrain, in RT you were encouraged to make your own vehicles out of whatever was handy, and the book even featured said homemade vehicles!

Of course, GW kits at that time also had a huge amount of surplus parts - perfect for use in kit-bashing!

I haven't bought a GW vehicle kit in fifteen years, and I'm only now running short of storm bolter/dozer blade/hunter-killer missile/oddball gubbins.

There's definitely a generational divide between them what think the rules serve the player, and those who think the player serves the rules.

YES, the kids these days dont appreciate the need for SURPLUS STUFF YOU DONT NEED on a kit so that you can stuff it in your baggy bag like a little goblin and later when you see a thing that needs that exact bit you have, you rifle around for it like gollum searching for a fish in the dark chortling to yourself because you can already picture how good it's going to look.

I have had more than a couple of youngin's tell me that when they're done with a kit, they chuck the remaining sprue...

I just about fell over in shock

Racerguy180 wrote:
I have had more than a couple of youngin's tell me that when they're done with a kit, they chuck the remaining sprue...

I just about fell over in shock

I don't understand that mentality. Even before plastic miniatures were a thing, regular model builders kept a bits box for kit bashing. That's where I acquired the habit. Once plastic BYO figures became a thing, it was only natural to apply that habit to the new bits.

Of course, I find the younger generation(s) wasteful in general, so perhaps I should not be surprised.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
I have had more than a couple of youngin's tell me that when they're done with a kit, they chuck the remaining sprue...

I just about fell over in shock

I don't understand that mentality. Even before plastic miniatures were a thing, regular model builders kept a bits box for kit bashing. That's where I acquired the habit. Once plastic BYO figures became a thing, it was only natural to apply that habit to the new bits.

Of course, I find the younger generation(s) wasteful in general, so perhaps I should not be surprised.

I got into modeling because I like airplanes and tanks and stuff, and always saved the sprues because I rarely followed the instructions and figured I may need them later.

Turned out, I was right! Many of my current IG tanks are modified from kits I assembled in middle school.

To be fair, if there even are any leftover bitz on a sprue, the cuts can be so weird that they are of marginal use for conversions.

In my day, ALL the bitz were useful...

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:
To be fair, if there even are any leftover bitz on a sprue, the cuts can be so weird that they are of marginal use for conversions.

In my day, ALL the bitz were useful...

I guess you could say that traditional modelers are like subsistence hunters - they use the whole thing; nothing goes to waste.

Not everything needs new plastic models. Sometimes to old plastic models were just fine. Ugly, but just fine. Sometimes the old metals were even better.

 amazingturtles wrote:
Not everything needs new plastic models. Sometimes to old plastic models were just fine. Ugly, but just fine. Sometimes the old metals were even better.

Since my army is 2nd ed., I lean heavily on cast-off old stuff on ebay. Preferably broken. People sell broken stuff for little more than shipping, and since I'm going to bash it anyway, half my work is already done.

Wasn’t sure to put this post here or in the Old Edition Appreciation Society.

But went to see my God Sprog on Sunday, and her Mum’s friend was there with her son who’s just starting down the path of Nerd.

That’s when it occurred to me. I’ve books not just older than the sprogs? But older than their Mums. Indeed, my feet started along this path before the Mum’s were born.

And I’m not even all that old at 43. Not kidding myself I’m young like, but even by Dakka’s standards I’m a mere pimply oik!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wasn’t sure to put this post here or in the Old Edition Appreciation Society.

But went to see my God Sprog on Sunday, and her Mum’s friend was there with her son who’s just starting down the path of Nerd.

That’s when it occurred to me. I’ve books not just older than the sprogs? But older than their Mums. Indeed, my feet started along this path before the Mum’s were born.

And I’m not even all that old at 43. Not kidding myself I’m young like, but even by Dakka’s standards I’m a mere pimply oik!

Try being in a military unit where you crack a joke based on 80s pop culture and you realize than none of the people were alive when the film/TV show was current.

"Oh, yeah, my dad watched that! I was too young to understand it," is about the best you get.

Heh. Nothing like putting minis on the table older then your opponent. And he’s old enough to go grab a post-game beer with.

It does add a wrinkle to socializing though; being old enough to be their dad, and trying to be one of the guys at the same time. Hard enough to get out and find a game as it is.

 Nevelon wrote:
Heh. Nothing like putting minis on the table older then your opponent. And he’s old enough to go grab a post-game beer with.

It does add a wrinkle to socializing though; being old enough to be their dad, and trying to be one of the guys at the same time. Hard enough to get out and find a game as it is.

Lol. I've got minis that are slightly TWICE as old as the one kid in our escalation leagues/crusades.

ccs wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Heh. Nothing like putting minis on the table older then your opponent. And he’s old enough to go grab a post-game beer with.

It does add a wrinkle to socializing though; being old enough to be their dad, and trying to be one of the guys at the same time. Hard enough to get out and find a game as it is.

Lol. I've got minis that are slightly TWICE as old as the one kid in our escalation leagues/crusades.

I’ve been using that joke for years now.

Let’s see. RTB01 came out in ‘87, it’s 2023 now… 36 years? Yah, that’s 2x a lot of players.

Damn I’m old.

Commissar von Toussaint wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wasn’t sure to put this post here or in the Old Edition Appreciation Society.

But went to see my God Sprog on Sunday, and her Mum’s friend was there with her son who’s just starting down the path of Nerd.

That’s when it occurred to me. I’ve books not just older than the sprogs? But older than their Mums. Indeed, my feet started along this path before the Mum’s were born.

And I’m not even all that old at 43. Not kidding myself I’m young like, but even by Dakka’s standards I’m a mere pimply oik!

Try being in a military unit where you crack a joke based on 80s pop culture and you realize than none of the people were alive when the film/TV show was current.

"Oh, yeah, my dad watched that! I was too young to understand it," is about the best you get.

I get that at work! When someone pointed to my Beavis Quintesson tattoo and asked “who’s that” my brain cried.

 Nevelon wrote:
Heh. Nothing like putting minis on the table older then your opponent. And he’s old enough to go grab a post-game beer with.

It does add a wrinkle to socializing though; being old enough to be their dad, and trying to be one of the guys at the same time. Hard enough to get out and find a game as it is.

All the memories. Many years ago, a friend and I challenged another friend to a Tyranids vs Marine double feature. We played the first game on Saturday and our combined marines forces were utterly crushed (which is a pretty funny story for another time).

So we regrouped and Sunday afternoon were waiting at the game store and the other guy was a no-show. We finally called him on the store phone (no cell phones back then!) and he'd overslept, wouldn't be there for an hour.

That being the case, we strolled across the street to a local watering hole and split a pitcher of Killian's Irish Red.

Thus fortified, we returned to the FLGS, met our opponent and proceeded to thrash him to the point that he conceded at the end of the second turn.

We credited the beer for the win.