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10 boyz is the most expensive unit that should be in BW with Ghazz and BB. nothing better. Grots are maxbe better.

You want an Ard case so no shooting platform and BW will unevitable be blowen to pieces T1 or T2. Definitely before you disembark. And let 20p models die for emergency disembark is not a great idea….

I have a very paintfull memory from some tournament some time ago. Ghazzy and 3 MANz ride BW with 10 grots. Guess who survived… just Ghazzy and one MAN….


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Betting on a single transport is definitely a bad gameplan. In 9th I crippled some hummie with huge transportships full of super cool dreadnougjts and some juicy characters. He moved foraward to drop in the middle. I “sacrificied” all speedfreak army and surrounded it so that he was no able to disembark a single model a around 800p of his army was dead T1

He was not the sharpest pencil, he finished last on the tournament, but the point is still valid I guess…

 Tomsug wrote:

5. Splitting Kommandos has an issue. What about the Bomb squig and distraction grot? There are 3 options - you have to assignem them to one of the smaller units, you do not have to assign them and any of the new smaller units can use it (they are just tokens) or you get more grots and squigs for free (hahaha…).

This has been FAQ'd pretty heavily already with Sisters. The long and short is you don't get more of things, you just choose which units they are assigned to.

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That's fine they did do some work in melee but i need some reliable shooting, stealth makes them wiff.

I agree, they don't hit mega-hard but they do do enough damage that they can contribute. 18 attacks at 3+/5/0/1 is pretty nice chaff clear and then they get their shooting on top. They also get their MW ability which is free chip on something durable. Don't get me wrong though, I'm never taking Deffkoptas for their damage output as they're hit and miss unless they're clearing screens.

I take Deffkoptas if I was already going to take Stormboys and have the 15 points free. I can't argue with the increase in bulk you get for the cheap points hike.

Regarding the Ghazzy and BW capacity…

 Afrodactyl wrote:

 Forceride wrote:


That's fine they did do some work in melee but i need some reliable shooting, stealth makes them wiff.

I agree, they don't hit mega-hard but they do do enough damage that they can contribute. 18 attacks at 3+/5/0/1 is pretty nice chaff clear and then they get their shooting on top. They also get their MW ability which is free chip on something durable. Don't get me wrong though, I'm never taking Deffkoptas for their damage output as they're hit and miss unless they're clearing screens.

I take Deffkoptas if I was already going to take Stormboys and have the 15 points free. I can't argue with the increase in bulk you get for the cheap points hike.

Agree mate, that was my take. But i am hurting for more reliable shotting with throw away bodies, been using truck full burnas but their getting expensive so i was looming something cheaper.

 Tomsug wrote:
Regarding the Ghazzy and BW capacity…

Yeah, this seemed quite clean. No confusion from me this time around.

wasnt there a FAQ that fixed that?

 Tomsug wrote:
10 boyz is the most expensive unit that should be in BW with Ghazz and BB. nothing better. Grots are maxbe better.

You want an Ard case so no shooting platform and BW will unevitable be blowen to pieces T1 or T2. Definitely before you disembark. And let 20p models die for emergency disembark is not a great idea….

I have a very paintfull memory from some tournament some time ago. Ghazzy and 3 MANz ride BW with 10 grots. Guess who survived… just Ghazzy and one MAN….


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Betting on a single transport is definitely a bad gameplan. In 9th I crippled some hummie with huge transportships full of super cool dreadnougjts and some juicy characters. He moved foraward to drop in the middle. I “sacrificied” all speedfreak army and surrounded it so that he was no able to disembark a single model a around 800p of his army was dead T1

He was not the sharpest pencil, he finished last on the tournament, but the point is still valid I guess…

For as long as the battlewagon existed, you always had to provide multiple valid targets in order for the strategy to work. A single wagon with something juicy never was a good idea. Luckily we got a bunch of shooty units in trukks and kill rigs to distract people from the boss wagon.
That's why I want to put Thrakka with nobz, he will be a pain to kill even after disembarking, and most guns good at killing them were probably used to pop the wagon. Which means you don't just have a fairly durable and killy unit left on the table, but your other stuff is still untouched. If you are afraid of losing models to vehicle destruction, you can either have them ride with burnas or just run 5 nobz with 10 gretchin.


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I envision a list like this:


If fethed up my math somewhere so it's slightly more than 2k, but you get the idea.

Edit: Found the mistake. It's lootas instead of burnas.

I guess it could work. I don't have the wagons. So i would like to see it how it plays. Hey Jidmah your going to give it a try or your still in to DG?

Probably not anytime soon, I'm still in the middle of a nachtmund campaign with my DG and the games on the side tend to be 1k games where a battlewagon with Ghaz is a bit too many points in one place

Jidmah

That was exactly my point. you need a redundacy and let the opponent choose himself to decide, which of the bulls horns hit him.

And to do so, you need points to pay for multiple dangerous packs, do not overpay on one wagon.

It is all the time the same no matter what edition

- 60% chance is not a plan, just a stupid speculation
- boyz over toys and have a cheaper tokens to trade. The game is for orks mostly about trading
- target oversaturation
- layerd targett oversaturation like you have in the list even better (kill the antiinfatry, before they kill your tanks and than have a infantry againts his antitank)
- variety of the weapons and be ready to krump the hord and the knights
- redundancy
- mobility,
- mobility
- mobility

Last 3 seems to be the same, but it is so much important imho, I wrote it there 3times. What can one achieve with a fast and cheap roadblocks people tend to underestimate. Gosh I was once beaten by some spanish profi necron player so so bad! That was a gaming lesson of my life.

That is btw. the reason why I do not trust the Walkers would be usefull as a concept for the whole army. Infantry could work. Trukks, wagons and buggies /bikers / koptas could.

But unless there will be a fast walkers, there would be no chance to build an army around them.

There is a rummour around, that orks should be an opening faction (with some hummies of course) of 11th ed.
If true than new models should be expected. And Walkers are very nice topic. Underdeveloped for very long long time. And as I write there since the end of 8th, their time will come sooner or later…