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Andykp wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Try the 40K app, it’s just digital index cards

I did try. The app is great for building, terrible for playing. For units with leaders having to go through three screens each time you want to look at a different datasheet is an absolute no-go.

For gaming you should either use PDF that was pre-compiled to match your list or some sort of physical representation.

Not used it in a game yet but can imagine the things you say being issues. I will likely print out my army list/cards before battle.

Someone posted this link before and I looks a good way to do it.

https://game-datacards.eu

Yep, datacards is cool if you use a tablet when gaming like I do. Their cards still have some errors, but they are constantly working on fixing them.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
I keep seeing people say they are going to laminate their cards? But why?
If you're printing them yourself, they'll cost maybe US$0.10-0.20 each. If it gets messed up, just print another one.

There's also when or if they make corrections to the PDF files. Are you going to print and laminate a whole new set?

Stability/durability. A 2x3 ish ready-to-use laminate pouch is about 7-8 cents. For a 3x5 "photo" card, it looks to be about 11 cents. I'm not sure you can print the datasheets out legibly on 3x5 yet, but if you can, I'd laminate that. Maybe Punch one hole in the corner and put them all on a binder ring.

 p5freak wrote:
The app is certainly not perfect, but its surprisingly good.

Agree. It's only a few features away from actually being good. The things I would like to see is for one a "game mode" which just shows datasheets of a list with a single tap, without having to go through the unit options, as well as a favorites/last viewed feature for rule lookups. Outside of that, it's definitely better than battlescribe ever was and almost as good as wahapedia.

Andykp wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Try the 40K app, it’s just digital index cards

I did try. The app is great for building, terrible for playing. For units with leaders having to go through three screens each time you want to look at a different datasheet is an absolute no-go.

For gaming you should either use PDF that was pre-compiled to match your list or some sort of physical representation.

Not used it in a game yet but can imagine the things you say being issues. I will likely print out my army list/cards before battle.

that is the point, you need to print the cards from the Index pdf to have them available while the app only helps choosing them from the list
there is no option to print the chosen cards or have a pdf with the cards from the app
you can make a list and that get the physical cards according to it (be it printed on your own from the index or from the official card deck)

 kodos wrote:
that is the point, you need to print the cards from the Index pdf to have them available while the app only helps choosing them from the list
there is no option to print the chosen cards or have a pdf with the cards from the app
you can make a list and that get the physical cards according to it (be it printed on your own from the index or from the official card deck)

If you select a unit in the app and go to the screen were you can change wargear options and add models you can push the icon that looks like a sheet of paper it takes you to a screen that has all the stats and abilities for the unit.

 KingGarland wrote:

 kodos wrote:
that is the point, you need to print the cards from the Index pdf to have them available while the app only helps choosing them from the list
there is no option to print the chosen cards or have a pdf with the cards from the app
you can make a list and that get the physical cards according to it (be it printed on your own from the index or from the official card deck)

If you select a unit in the app and go to the screen were you can change wargear options and add models you can push the icon that looks like a sheet of paper it takes you to a screen that has all the stats and abilities for the unit.

That's a lot of button pushing compared to what we had/expect from an army list'er. We've been conditioned to expect it all on "one" page (even if its multiple pages, double sided, or what have you, its all in one place to scroll).

The new App is better, but its not there yet - it probably needs a PC/Mac version for old people with bad eyes, and it needs printout ability to reduce button pushing.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Huh, wasn't it said there would only be 4 decks (Marines, Imperium, Xeons, Chaos)?

Now there's a deck per codex. And we know a few of them were invalid before the preoder even went up

As far as i know that was a misunderstanding based on the weekly price lists - these listed just these 4 packages, but these 4 packages are wholesale packs for FLGs and Independent stockists, intended to be split and sold separately.

Thing is before you have had products and _price customer pays_ in those lists.

This is first time I have seen where I didn't see item I can buy AND price customer pays. I don't even have to do any calculations. If the list says 105e that's what I would pay to the store(barring discount store offers).

Well it was suspiciously good looking offer...Still cheaper than AOS but dissapointing. And odd. As said before the list shows price customer pays to the store.

usually the FLGS does not must buy bundles and gets individual items, hence we get costumer item price from the 3rd party order sheet
this time, 3rd parties can only buy bundles (and if they run out of Space Wolves they have to order the whole bundle again) therefore only the bundle price in the order sheet

price here is 20€ for SM and 12€ for Subfaction (= 32€ for a Marine Subfaction)

Breton wrote:

 KingGarland wrote:

 kodos wrote:
that is the point, you need to print the cards from the Index pdf to have them available while the app only helps choosing them from the list
there is no option to print the chosen cards or have a pdf with the cards from the app
you can make a list and that get the physical cards according to it (be it printed on your own from the index or from the official card deck)

If you select a unit in the app and go to the screen were you can change wargear options and add models you can push the icon that looks like a sheet of paper it takes you to a screen that has all the stats and abilities for the unit.

That's a lot of button pushing compared to what we had/expect from an army list'er. We've been conditioned to expect it all on "one" page (even if its multiple pages, double sided, or what have you, its all in one place to scroll).

The new App is better, but its not there yet - it probably needs a PC/Mac version for old people with bad eyes, and it needs printout ability to reduce button pushing.

I really miss the output options other army builder add were I either get a printer friendly image/pdf that I can use digital on my phone or print out to easily show it to my opponent in case of questions (or just put in the cloud to have it on a tablet or e-book)

also the app shows me all the rules from a unit and not just the options I have chosen, which is something I consider the very minimum of an army builder (as for looking up the full unit I don't need an army builder but the reference database is enough)

there is literal not advantage in using the app instead of creating a pdf/image from the index document with the units I need

 Jidmah wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
The app is certainly not perfect, but its surprisingly good.

Agree. It's only a few features away from actually being good. The things I would like to see is for one a "game mode" which just shows datasheets of a list with a single tap, without having to go through the unit options, as well as a favorites/last viewed feature for rule lookups. Outside of that, it's definitely better than battlescribe ever was and almost as good as wahapedia.

Yes, favourites please. What i would like to see is that only equipped weapons are displayed, not every option.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
I keep seeing people say they are going to laminate their cards? But why?
If you're printing them yourself, they'll cost maybe US$0.10-0.20 each. If it gets messed up, just print another one.

There's also when or if they make corrections to the PDF files. Are you going to print and laminate a whole new set?

1. It looks nicer.
2. It's less likely to get blown off the table by the HVAC than a loose piece of paper.
3. I can write down Enhancements and wounds with a wet-erase marker then clean it off after the game.


Why would I print and laminate a whole new set for corrections? I'll just print and laminate the individual cards that need replacement.

It costs me $0.17 per card for the lamination envelopes and some immeasurable tiny amount of electricity to run the laminator. It's not a big investment in either time or money to make the cards a little nicer.

 Jidmah wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

mrFickle wrote:
Try the 40K app, it’s just digital index cards

I did try. The app is great for building, terrible for playing. For units with leaders having to go through three screens each time you want to look at a different datasheet is an absolute no-go.

For gaming you should either use PDF that was pre-compiled to match your list or some sort of physical representation.

Not used it in a game yet but can imagine the things you say being issues. I will likely print out my army list/cards before battle.

Someone posted this link before and I looks a good way to do it.

https://game-datacards.eu

Yep, datacards is cool if you use a tablet when gaming like I do. Their cards still have some errors, but they are constantly working on fixing them.

Thanks for sharing. This is nice. I do like the single page format as I also use a tablet.

 Asmodai wrote:

3. I can write down Enhancements and wounds with a wet-erase marker then clean it off after the game.

Oooh, I like that one. I hadn't gotten that far yet, I was thinking Sharpie and/or label printer in the corrections until I have to print a new one.

I've played couple of games with index cards now and I really like having the unit rules right there as a quick reference. As I said before, I'll need to wait a year for my codexes. When they do come I'm sure I'll be happy to get new rules and lore, but I think I'll also miss the cards.

 dreadblade wrote:
I've played couple of games with index cards now and I really like having the unit rules right there as a quick reference. As I said before, I'll need to wait a year for my codexes. When they do come I'm sure I'll be happy to get new rules and lore, but I think I'll also miss the cards.

Why?

Based on what gw said you can buy codex, cards or both for rules.

Buy cards, you have new rules.

tneva82 wrote:

 dreadblade wrote:
I've played couple of games with index cards now and I really like having the unit rules right there as a quick reference. As I said before, I'll need to wait a year for my codexes. When they do come I'm sure I'll be happy to get new rules and lore, but I think I'll also miss the cards.

Why?

Based on what gw said you can buy codex, cards or both for rules.

Buy cards, you have new rules.

I must have missed that. So they said there would be new cards when the codexes come out?

I wish the downloads, for the cards and the "core rules", had a "printer friendly black & white, with plain white backgrounds and black text & greyscale illustrations with no solid or near solid area fills

 Jidmah wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
The app is certainly not perfect, but its surprisingly good.

Agree. It's only a few features away from actually being good. The things I would like to see is for one a "game mode" which just shows datasheets of a list with a single tap, without having to go through the unit options, as well as a favorites/last viewed feature for rule lookups. Outside of that, it's definitely better than battlescribe ever was and almost as good as wahapedia.

Played a couple of games with the app now and have to agree those features would really help. Especially the “game mode”.

I find the online and cards and app stats mighty confusing. GK LR have a different move stat from loyalist one and from each other. Between the three sources, so it is hard to judge which one is the right one. The GK techmarine has a slower speed, as if he was a terminator HQ, but he isn't unless he is, but then GW forgot to give him the teleport option in the past editions and in the present. I would love for GW to come out and say what is the priority, when checking stats/rules and which version is the most correct one. I hope it is not going to be warhammer+ app, then codex and then everything else.

I contemplated getting the cards for armies I know won’t have codexs soon that I play, but there seem to be too many errors on there going by the errata.

Andykp wrote:
I contemplated getting the cards for armies I know won’t have codexs soon that I play, but there seem to be too many errors on there going by the errata.

Across all 3 of my armies there are only 3 errata items that actually affect my units.

So far, printing the front side of datasheets I actually play, the detachment rules and the basic stratagems on slightly more durable paper in greyscale has absolutely been sufficient for my gaming needs when combined with the GW app for rules lookups.
I will not be getting any cards or invest any more effort in them.

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I buckled and bought the ORK ones from GW and I have to say I really like them. I am a sucker for a card and they are big and shiny and easy to read and there’s a lot more of them than expected. It’s a thick old pack of cards.

Having played a few games I decided I needed some more things to help me remember stuff and I am too lazy to do a decent set of my own.

So my final advice would be they are worth it if you have the money to spare and can’t (be arsed to) do a decent job of making your own. They feel like a good product. One thing that swung it was that I know the ORK codex isn’t out for ages so I will get some use out of these. Wouldn’t touch the marine or nid ones as their codexs are around the corner and there is no word on if these will be invalidated or fine.

Well orks are stlll on the early ones being 2nd in 2024.

Got myself tson and daemon ones. They are still solid year+ for them.

Kind of a depends on the faction. For armies that get codex soon? not one bit. For armies that had big changes or who have errors on the cards, not really. And if you have an access to a PC and a printer you can make your own, at a fraction of a codex. And if you like me. A student who has a friend working at the xero station. You can get cards for free, for all factions.

tneva82 wrote:
Well orks are stlll on the early ones being 2nd in 2024.

Got myself tson and daemon ones. They are still solid year+ for them.

Does anyone know if they are doing the cards after the codex as well, if so I’d rather have a deck of data cards than a codex.


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Karol wrote:
Kind of a depends on the faction. For armies that get codex soon? not one bit. For armies that had big changes or who have errors on the cards, not really. And if you have an access to a PC and a printer you can make your own, at a fraction of a codex. And if you like me. A student who has a friend working at the xero station. You can get cards for free, for all factions.

Yeah, my buying them was pretty self indulgent and lazy. But I’m worth it! Really could have made my own easily enough and printed them at work for free.

Andykp wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well orks are stlll on the early ones being 2nd in 2024.

Got myself tson and daemon ones. They are still solid year+ for them.

Does anyone know if they are doing the cards after the codex as well, if so I’d rather have a deck of data cards than a codex.

According to the app announcement, you can unlock your faction by using "codex, datacards or both". So seems like they will be doing codex cards as well.

That said, they've already contradicted themselves multiple times when it came to what will happen to the cards, but we'll know for sure next month.

 Jidmah wrote:

Andykp wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well orks are stlll on the early ones being 2nd in 2024.

Got myself tson and daemon ones. They are still solid year+ for them.

Does anyone know if they are doing the cards after the codex as well, if so I’d rather have a deck of data cards than a codex.

According to the app announcement, you can unlock your faction by using "codex, datacards or both". So seems like they will be doing codex cards as well.

That said, they've already contradicted themselves multiple times when it came to what will happen to the cards, but we'll know for sure next month.

Fingers crossed for datacards then, I do like them, just hope they aren’t full of errors!

Andykp wrote:
Fingers crossed for datacards then, I do like them, just hope they aren’t full of errors!

Pattern recognition people! Pattern recognition!

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Andykp wrote:
Fingers crossed for datacards then, I do like them, just hope they aren’t full of errors!

Pattern recognition people! Pattern recognition!

I can hope!