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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I think I’d have liked a third ‘vore variant. We’ve got super close support, and we’ve got artillery. Not entirely sure what I’d want it to do, just that I think I’d have liked a third in the mix.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I think I’d have liked a third ‘vore variant. We’ve got super close support, and we’ve got artillery. Not entirely sure what I’d want it to do, just that I think I’d have liked a third in the mix.
Shadow Walker wrote: Now when new Nids were shown we can expect that the mini/s for the Twitter likes will be SM. I am betting on Jump Pack Primaris.
Lieutenants all the way down.
Jump-Troops, Termi box, Scouts?, probably either a LR-equivalent or a new flyer, the range is essentially overcomplete anyway, so guessing what they'll do is more difficult than for other ranges.
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Matrindur wrote: All the models they showed are amazing but is it strange that I expected more?
Not even counting the three units that came later via Kill Team, Necrons got 9 kits after the Launch set which where all unique and while Tyranids did get 10 units at least two maybe three with the Lictor/Neurolictor are dual kits and the Termagant are just the multipart version of the launch set ones. So only 6 new kits in the worst case.
Also Necrons got really big models with the Monolith, the Silent King and the Void Dragon.
While the Norn Emissary/Assimilator are great I would have wished for one more kit thats even bigger and then another elite units like Shrikes.
And since it is rumoured the Genestealer will be coming via Kill Team I wouldn't expect anymore kits from that direction.
Of course I'm still very happy about what we did get, I just wished for a little bit more
Different needs for different armies. Nids have a pretty solid unit base to choose from already and the biggest issue was that a fair whack of it was Finecast or old enough to drink in the USA. So if my maths is right:
- Prior to Indomitus Necrons were sitting on about 33 units (of which 9 were resin named characters and a further 5 resin units) many of which were added with their big refresh during 5th Edition.
- Prior to Leviathan, Tyranids were at 34 (with 4 resin units) however large swathes of the range was running close to or over 20 years old (Hormogaunts and Termagants being the prime example).
Necrons needed the army padded out beyond a third of it being dedicated almost entirely to named characters whereas Tyranids desperately needed a refresh of pretty much every single Battleline unit at the very least.
So while it seems that Tyranids might have been done dirty in terms of new units, they weren't needed as much as refreshed core units.
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Shadow Walker wrote: Now when new Nids were shown we can expect that the mini/s for the Twitter likes will be SM. I am betting on Jump Pack Primaris.
Lieutenants all the way down.
But only in Tacticus or Phobos armour though, never in full Gravis, Terminator armour or with a Jump Pack
EDIT: Also would not be shocked in the second wave of Nids was flying-themed with Shrikes, non-pushfit Winged Prime (or rolling them into the Shrike unit like they did with Warriors and the regular Prime), Gargoyles and some other new flying bug or two (Winged Norn unit perhaps?)
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: I think I’d have liked a third ‘vore variant. We’ve got super close support, and we’ve got artillery. Not entirely sure what I’d want it to do, just that I think I’d have liked a third in the mix.
EDIT: Also would not be shocked in the second wave of Nids was flying-themed with Shrikes, non-pushfit Winged Prime (or rolling them into the Shrike unit like they did with Warriors and the regular Prime), Gargoyles and some other new flying bug or two (Winged Norn unit perhaps?)
If there will be a second wave then in a new year as they said it is all for this one.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Oh definitely wasn't expecting anything else for this year, but GW has been known to release a second wave of stuff a year within the next year
There is also a possibility for a sneaky KT release outside the normal 40k schedule, be it this or the next year.
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Oh definitely wasn't expecting anything else for this year, but GW has been known to release a second wave of stuff a year within the next year
There is also a possibility for a sneaky KT release outside the normal 40k schedule, be it this or the next year.
EDIT: Also would not be shocked in the second wave of Nids was flying-themed with Shrikes, non-pushfit Winged Prime (or rolling them into the Shrike unit like they did with Warriors and the regular Prime), Gargoyles and some other new flying bug or two (Winged Norn unit perhaps?)
If there will be a second wave then in a new year as they said it is all for this one.
I thought they just said that was it for this preview?
Personally, I don't think this was it. If it had been? I think we would have gotten the codex cover and combat patrol boxes both previewed as well.
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EDIT: Also would not be shocked in the second wave of Nids was flying-themed with Shrikes, non-pushfit Winged Prime (or rolling them into the Shrike unit like they did with Warriors and the regular Prime), Gargoyles and some other new flying bug or two (Winged Norn unit perhaps?)
If there will be a second wave then in a new year as they said it is all for this one.
I thought they just said that was it for this preview?
Personally, I don't think this was it. If it had been? I think we would have gotten the codex cover and combat patrol boxes both previewed as well.
Their marketing said we would get the entire release previewed for the winning faction, and we do already know the contents for the Tyranid combat patrol though.
Their marketing said we would get the entire release previewed for the winning faction
Yeah, and their marketing has said the value of the entire release. I'm just not seeing it there unless they duplicate the boxes to let you build each of the different options.
Although if I were to be persnickety, they didn't show off the codex and thus didn't live up to that "entire release" promise.
The upside is this puts a big ol' dent into Valrak's stupid Terminators v Genestealers KT crap though. They weren't branded as KT, just straight 40k.
and we do already know the contents for the Tyranid combat patrol though.
I'm aware. I'm also aware that they don't have a singular spot for you to buy it all in one go.
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Their marketing said we would get the entire release previewed for the winning faction
Yeah, and their marketing has said the value of the entire release. I'm just not seeing it there unless they duplicate the boxes to let you build each of the different options.
Although if I were to be persnickety, they didn't show off the codex and thus didn't live up to that "entire release" promise.
The upside is this puts a big ol' dent into Valrak's stupid Terminators v Genestealers KT crap though. They weren't branded as KT, just straight 40k.
and we do already know the contents for the Tyranid combat patrol though.
I'm aware. I'm also aware that they don't have a singular spot for you to buy it all in one go.
As per the terms and conditions, the prize entails stuff like the Battleforce (explicitly mentioned) and branded dice etc. - that ought to drive the value up considerably. The Norn Emissary can easily be at the 105 pound price point (like the Knight Warden) or more, battleforces are at 130 pounds, that stuff adds up quickly. If they do the Norn emissary twice and the Lictor three times (at 35 pound confirmed) so you can build every variant once, you have the majority of these 1000 pounds right there. Add Codex, army cards, two times the Biovore/Pyrovore box and so on and you're almost there. Depending on how they interpret it, the Combat Patrol box might be added in as well.
Underwhelmed. The overall design direction for the new nids is... tepid, especially the mouth parts.
Hormagaunts went too hard on Jurassic park's take on velociraptors,
Genestealers and lictors are... fine. (not sure genestealers were worth redoing with this result, to be honest, especially with the inevitable price hike)
Neuro-lictor is unnecessary and just a weird sculpt idea. Not sure what they were aiming for, but they landed on 'hot mess' of random parts.
Termagants are definitely a win for the range of options (unless they mechanically suck or have a clear winner)
Biovores and pyrovores have a good body (though I'm a little sad they apparently ditched the 'orkoid DNA' aspect) and dumb cannons. But at least they aren't resin.
Norn things are, somehow, rather good (emissary) and really dumb looking (assimilator) just with hand and head swaps (and chest barbs).
So, nice to see all the resin go, but not really excited about any of it.
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Underwhelmed. The overall design direction for the new nids is... tepid, especially the mouth parts.
Hormagaunts went too hard on Jurassic park's take on velociraptors,
Genestealers and lictors are... fine. (not sure genestealers were worth redoing with this result, to be honest, especially with the inevitable price hike)
Neuro-lictor is unnecessary and just a weird sculpt idea. Not sure what they were aiming for, but they landed on 'hot mess' of random parts.
Termagants are definitely a win for the range of options (unless they mechanically suck or have a clear winner)
Biovores and pyrovores have a good body (though I'm a little sad they apparently ditched the 'orkoid DNA' aspect) and dumb cannons. But at least they aren't resin.
Norn things are, somehow, rather good (emissary) and really dumb looking (assimilator) just with hand and head swaps (and chest barbs).
So, nice to see all the resin go, but not really excited about any of it.
This, basically.
The bio/pyrovore would be fine imo if the gun was smaller and a bit more integrated in the model. I like the bug.
I actually like the new genestealers. They look more like goofy 80s/90s sculpts than the previous iteration, mainly due to their limbs looking gangly in the pictures (I consider that a good thing, ymmv).
The tyraknight is just an upscaled hive tyrant by the looks of it. The modern faction design was "if it's bigger than a tyrant then it's walking on all fours". So I was expecting a knight-style model on all fours.
I like how most the small bugs are just HD remasters of the classic design. I am mixed on the vores. The new tick design is not bad, but wish they had just refined the classic ape looking version to put it in line with the newer tyrant guard.
Wow. I have not liked some of games workshop recent sculpts( the deselators in particular are the worst thing I have seen in awhile) but I love almost everything on the new nids.
These look amazing lictor looks awsome norn emissary is amazing. Termigants will probably look good in a swarm even with all the dynamic poses.
Good showings
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Mmmm, I like most of it, but not a fan of the Hormagaunts which is unfortunate as they've traditionally been one of my favourite Tyranid units.
I can't put my finger on it, the poses look a bit clunky, like they were shooting for dynamic but landed on awkward. The bodies are too much like the Termagants, they basically just look like Termagants with talons now.
Genestealers are fine, looks like they've gone on 32mm bases and maybe gotten even bigger.
I like the basic Lictor and Deathleaper, but the brain-Lictor, it just looks like a mess of parts mashed together in an awkward pose.
Pyrovores/Biovores, they're okay, but I think I would have preferred something more like what they used to be - a gun on legs. Now they just look like a spider with a gun attached to its back, which somehow feels less alien than a literal walking gun on legs.
Norn Emissary, it's okay, a bit busy and awkward looking for my liking.
Termagants look nice.
Overall, I liked most of Leviathan but this is more of a "meh" to me.
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I do appreciate that jazz hand genestealers will never ever go away lol. Overall everything does look fine though but I hope that means older kits get even more of a discount on the 2nd hand market.
Really big fan of all the new nid stuff. Felt like the nid aesthetic had basically been stagnating for years and had locked itself into a highly restrictive and very narrow set of design archetypes, so it's nice to see what obvious new blood in the design studio has come up by deciding to branch out and obviously ignore a lot of pre-established "rules" about Tyranid aesthetics.
Also feel quite disappointed that Warriors, Tyrant and Carnifex didn't get any love. The latter is almost 20 years old, and I know people still love it, but I was really hoping for an update with the new aesthetic. Warriors and Tyrant are newer sprues but aesthetically still stuck in 2001/2004, respectively, and the winged Prime really got my hopes up for an update to those units.
