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 Geifer wrote:

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

The question will be how they will arrange that with the new releases. Either the old stuff has way more stuff in there so the prices aren't that different which would look weird if we have a box with 32 old models but then only 10 new guys, or the new stuff is way more expensive if it has the same number of models which also wouldn't be great. And the option to just sell the new stuff for cheaper doesn't exist for GW

 Matrindur wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

The question will be how they will arrange that with the new releases. Either the old stuff has way more stuff in there so the prices aren't that different which would look weird if we have a box with 32 old models but then only 10 new guys, or the new stuff is way more expensive if it has the same number of models which also wouldn't be great. And the option to just sell the new stuff for cheaper doesn't exist for GW

They won't overthink, why should we? The old plastics will come in big boxes that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. New stuff will come in boxes of 10 guys that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. The last lingering hold outs who still believe each mini cost GW more than a penny to make will have their faith shaken, but otherwise I think we all get how the sausage is made.

I've always wanted a box of Bretonnian foot knights. That's pretty neat.

Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Five full Detachments – each with their own Enhancements and Stratagems – feature alongside 30 datasheets, supported by lashings of lore, painting tips, galleries of beautiful miniatures, and new tech-hunting Crusade rules.

So... there are currently 29 AdMech datasheets, so he's it.

Necrons are going to have 47 datasheets. Which means they're getting no new stuff, and are actually losing datasheets (there's currently 50). So a couple of redone models like Imotekh.
Not sure what's getting erased, but I assume special characters and/or obelisk/tesseract vault/transcedent c'tan. Possibly lord or lokhust lord (since the latter makes no sense at all in its current form, a melee character that can only join a shooting unit). Special characters that don't make the jump to plastic are probably the best bet.

tneva82 wrote:
Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

I never do.

On an unrelated note back to my comment about the faithful, people can be confident they will find a way to stay strong.

 frankelee wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

It kind of makes sense if we assume GW realizes that they can't sell twenty year old models for modern prices. If they keep the model count close to AoS ten or twenty man boxes, the box price will look low by comparison and that's bad for the brand. Doubling up is a way of solving that issue.

The question will be how they will arrange that with the new releases. Either the old stuff has way more stuff in there so the prices aren't that different which would look weird if we have a box with 32 old models but then only 10 new guys, or the new stuff is way more expensive if it has the same number of models which also wouldn't be great. And the option to just sell the new stuff for cheaper doesn't exist for GW

They won't overthink, why should we? The old plastics will come in big boxes that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. New stuff will come in boxes of 10 guys that cost around the same price as a box of 10 space marines. The last lingering hold outs who still believe each mini cost GW more than a penny to make will have their faith shaken, but otherwise I think we all get how the sausage is made.

It's not so bad in Bretonnia's case as the large model count goes with the cheap peasant rabble and the small model count goes with the elite knights. Elite coming fewer to a box isn't anything new or unexpected to GW customers and shouldn't raise any eyebrows.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Very nice. At least he’s not Finecast.

Agreed. I will happily accept remakes of all the finecast stuff in the same pose and style, but in plastic.

Xirix wrote:
why on earth do they all have tactical rocks though... that's going to be extra work after the first box so they don't all look silly.

It's almost as if they're a mainline unit for 40k and the rocks continue with the already established aesthetic

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Do Sylvaneth players want more characters, or more units?

Units, for sure. Or more generic characters. Special characters were not a niche that needed filling.

Digging the new Striking Scorpions, hope GW will also update their Phoenix Lord

Voss wrote:
So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Stiltman worked as an idea for the guards in Dishonored so it doesn't bother me here. I mean that dieselpunk look is very Ad Mech after all.


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Also 30 datasheets for Ad Mech means unless they drop Servitor's that Stiltman is the only new model for them.

Personal hope is that Kataphrons get condensed and Onagers get squadrons.

 Malika2 wrote:
Digging the new Striking Scorpions, hope GW will also update their Phoenix Lord

Yes, please.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Voss wrote:
So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Stiltman worked as an idea for the guards in Dishonored so it doesn't bother me here. I mean that dieselpunk look is very Ad Mech after all.


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Also 30 datasheets for Ad Mech means unless they drop Servitor's that Stiltman is the only new model for them.

For necrons 50 and warcom says 47 for codex. Wonder what gets combined/dropped


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 Scottywan82 wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Digging the new Striking Scorpions, hope GW will also update their Phoenix Lord

Yes, please.

Pretty safe bet for codex.

Plastic Striking Scorpions.

It about damn time.

tneva82 wrote:
Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

Yep. Its wild that people still don't realize that theres expected sales volume as well as distribution costs (for which the actual box size of the kit matters for a lot) factored into their pricing decisions.

Necrons are going to have 47 datasheets. Which means they're getting no new stuff, and are actually losing datasheets (there's currently 50). So a couple of redone models like Imotekh.
Not sure what's getting erased, but I assume special characters and/or obelisk/tesseract vault/transcedent c'tan. Possibly lord or lokhust lord (since the latter makes no sense at all in its current form, a melee character that can only join a shooting unit). Special characters that don't make the jump to plastic are probably the best bet.

I would assume any of the finecast characters that aren't getting plastic resculpts are potentially being cut. Off the top of my head Vargard Obyron, Trazyn, Orikan, Nemesor Zandrekh, Anrakyr, Deceiver, and Nightbringer are all candidates to be cut. A couple of those might get resculpted in plastic this release cycle, a couple of them might get removed, a couple of them might remain. As an aside, both Imotekh and Orikan are listed as no longer available on the US site, which is a pretty good indication that Orikan is the other model getting resculpted.

I don't see the Lokhust Lord getting cut, its not the only example of a character that doesn't make sense in the context of the unit its supposed to join (the winged tyranid alpha being a leader for warriors with guns comes to mind). It is however a good candidate for a resculpt, along with the regular Lokhust Destroyers, as those kits are long in the tooth and dont match up aesthetically with the heavy destroyers. I can see a box of 3 Lokhust Destroyers being released, with options for one of the 3 to be built as a Lokhust Destroyer Lord.

The regular lord on foot also seems a likely candidate for elimination. GW doesn't even sell that model anymore.

chaos0xomega wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Of course cost to gw isn't just material cost...but that's something people conveniently always forget

Yep. Its wild that people still don't realize that theres expected sales volume as well as distribution costs (for which the actual box size of the kit matters for a lot) factored into their pricing decisions.

and a 30% profit margin

The new KillTeam season seems to ditch the established patterns and go more towards a Warcry model. Stingy terrain sets but might come with two unique new teams from now on. Interesting..

Regarding the vertical nature of Season 3, I do hope there will be missions included that use a bunch of that platform terrain, though. Seems like a waste if all you'll ever get are single platform set's worth of terrain mission layouts

As for the models, both teams look brill! Now we'd just need a scale comparison pict with a BT Neophyte model and a 2022 beakie next to each other.. Man if these new scouts are to large I will lose it hehehe!

 tauist wrote:
snip -Now we'd just need a scale comparison pict with a BT Neophyte model and a 2022 beakie next to each other.. Man if these new scouts are to large I will lose it hehehe!

Not a perfect solution, but these scale comparisons from Taleofpainters might be of use :

BT Neophyte vs old scout / firstborn Marine / Templar Primaris :

https://taleofpainters.com/2021/10/first-look-black-templars-codex-and-army-set/

HH MkVI vs various humans (old Cadian, plastic DKK) and Marines (firstborn, Primaris, new Chaos) :

https://taleofpainters.com/2022/05/scale-comparison-mkvi-horus-heresy-space-marine-legionaries/

Using the old MkI eyeball, I'd say we're good..

Hopefully, Stahly can do an updated comparison once he previews the new Scouts.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
bit disappointing that those walkways dont look like they are compatible with the existing sector mechanicus sets

I assumed they were half sized ones, presumably scaled to the reactor or the necromunda terrain

I assumed the big drum (reactor?) was the existing sector mechanicus kit. The walkways look like they are 2/3rds height by comparison.

There's not an easy clear pic, and I even wonder if the Ferratonic Furnace's walkway at the top has been designed to have other walkways come to rest on it, next to the raised inner circle rather than attach via the clips like the rest of the sector mechanicus, but in the pic with the box art they do have it painted up alongside the old stuff, including some necromunda stairs in the back. I would have assumed that two new short railings plus a floor is the same height as a old sector level.

Though ominously the new bits are all sitting on top of old sector mechanicus or with those other compatible bits in the distance.

I wasn't sure how I felt about the Sydonian at first, but now that I've had time to ruminate...

I like it! Stealth and Lone Operative promise to make it a fairly potentially potent threat. The model is definitely Out There, but in a good way. It looks like a few different head options, and hopefully there's different arm builds so can be built aiming/firing rather than always mid-reload.

Voss wrote:
So... the various articles are up on Warcom.

AdMech shows off Physics-fail Stiltman (he magically has stealth, lone operative and doesn't fall over when firing an over powered sniper rifle)

It also says the book has 30 datasheets.

Five full Detachments – each with their own Enhancements and Stratagems – feature alongside 30 datasheets, supported by lashings of lore, painting tips, galleries of beautiful miniatures, and new tech-hunting Crusade rules.

So... there are currently 29 AdMech datasheets, so he's it.

Necrons are going to have 47 datasheets. Which means they're getting no new stuff, and are actually losing datasheets (there's currently 50). So a couple of redone models like Imotekh.
Not sure what's getting erased, but I assume special characters and/or obelisk/tesseract vault/transcedent c'tan. Possibly lord or lokhust lord (since the latter makes no sense at all in its current form, a melee character that can only join a shooting unit). Special characters that don't make the jump to plastic are probably the best bet.

It's as if you don't realize that the Lokust Lords default weapon is a staff of Light (a 3 shot, 18"range weapon that can also be used in CC).
You have to choose to replace it with the melee only Lords Blade. Better CC at the cost of any range capability.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I wasn't sure how I felt about the Sydonian at first, but now that I've had time to ruminate...

I like it! Stealth and Lone Operative promise to make it a fairly potentially potent threat. The model is definitely Out There, but in a good way. It looks like a few different head options, and hopefully there's different arm builds so can be built aiming/firing rather than always mid-reload.

Given the two versions we've seen have the visor up and down, and the two guns, I think there's just the one pose.

Sniper on stilts?

Can my Ork Mekboy get telescopic legs back?

 Tastyfish wrote:

Given the two versions we've seen have the visor up and down, and the two guns, I think there's just the one pose.

There's two notable different looks:
"Spectral Goggles"

vs
"Welder's Mask"


Just sayin'. This might be a fairly chonky kit.

Not a bad preview at all. Love Eldar, Scouts, Stormcasts on Dragons, Kurnoths and all things Knightly. A new Necron lord is cool but was hoping the BSF drones would join the Necron range, while...what the duece is that Ad-Mech-on-stilts all about?

There are two things I expect of a good sniper:

1) high sprinting speed
2) complete inability to hide

GW delivers in spades

Have properly caught up now.

Some nice stuff shown off. But….also really not a lot of stuff shown off. Certainly much less than I expected for Warhammer Day.

Mechanicus guy is probably my favourite, because it’s so very Mechanicus and therefore 40K.

Ionus Cryptborn on further looking is very nice. But, the Dragon thingy being stolidly red confuses my eyes.

Terrain is kinda meh... I think it's compatible with Sector Mechanicus but also not really. Half tall columns were sorely needed but so were stairs that could link these to the floor or up to the full height Sector Mechanicus platforms. Columns are also in a different style to the originals. Also looks like very few distinct pieces repeated a lot of times. The horrid paint scheme isn't doing it any favours either.

Boring killteam reveal, but for people who want to collect Eldar, it's probably better than buying 2 boxes of 5 men Scorpion for 120 USD when it's sold separatedly.

Other was meh to me, Sniper not having an aiming pose is huge L. Look like the stock is longer than the sniper's forearm.