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Easily snip'em off at the lightning stems. So you have your awesome Nighthaunt model and two extra scarab swarms.

Andykp wrote:
I agree it’s a shame about the leak, feel bad for he team behind killteam on his one.

Huge upgrade on the original but easily recognisable as the nightbringer. I

Ah yes, because so many other models look like the grim reaper
Of course it's "recognizable" as the nightbringer. No other model in the game is the literal grim reaper (no, Mortarian doesn't count. He's a space marine larping as a reaper. Inb4 some pedant corrects me that he's a primarch, as if they aren't oversized space marines but even better). You can cover the original in Christmas ornaments and it will still look like the nightbringer.
The point is that the new model is too expressive and lacks that haunting menace that the original had. The nightbringer is not supposed to be dancing around the battlefield like a bloody Harlequin.

I was not aware that you all had super special tk powers and never ever dropped a model. I guess I wasn't lucky enough to get those.

SamusDrake wrote:
Easily snip'em off at the lightning stems. So you have your awesome Nighthaunt model and two extra scarab swarms.

Hm, i wonder what the base size is? Could be a nice Nagash substitute.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The nightbringer is not supposed to be dancing around the battlefield like a bloody Harlequin.

He's a good of death and he'll dance if he wants to.

I wonder if it will come with alternate heads and what they'll look like. Some of the alternates for the primarchs and void dragon are significantly different.

The Black Adder wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The nightbringer is not supposed to be dancing around the battlefield like a bloody Harlequin.

He's a good of death and he'll dance if he wants to.

I wonder if it will come with alternate heads and what they'll look like. Some of the alternates for the primarchs and void dragon are significantly different.

I'm just saying, it was a missed opportunity to bring this classic bit of necron art to model form

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Hm, i wonder what the base size is? Could be a nice Nagash substitute.

Probably the same as the Yncarne, at a guess.

The digital techno-swirlies are a little off-brand for nighthaunt. Probably be a lot of work to smooth them down to more fantasy etherial wisps.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Hm, i wonder what the base size is? Could be a nice Nagash substitute.

Probably the same as the Yncarne, at a guess.

If the Warhammer Community size comparison is reasonably accurate, the comparison with the old Nightbringer on 40mm base puts him on a 100mm round base.

 Nevelon wrote:
The digital techno-swirlies are a little off-brand for nighthaunt. Probably be a lot of work to smooth them down to more fantasy etherial wisps.

Unchanged it might be a prime opportunity for a Realm of Metal themed ghost.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I find the new one looks far better- actually fitting the C'Tan and necron aesthetic rather than being some minion of Nagash who got lost and tripped over some scarabs.

Major Wes knows this I'm sure, the but reason the original model looks like it doesn't fit is because... it was never meant to. The C'Tan and the Kroot were both failed proposals for a separate faction that didn't make but were then mashed into a another new faction. That's why they had so little in common visually with the main faction.

That nightbringer looks like a lot of weight on some spindly base connections. I'd have to be very careful about pulling it out of it's foam slot when I travel with it.

But it's also freaking awesome.

 kronk wrote:
That nightbringer looks like a lot of weight on some spindly base connections. I'd have to be very careful about pulling it out of it's foam slot when I travel with it.

But it's also freaking awesome.

I'm noticing a trend that every faction is getting a spindly centerpiece model that looks really difficult to transport.

Personally, and I'm probably in the minority here, I like the optics of the old Nightbringer more than the new one - somehow he looks more like an ageless divine being to me. The new one reminds me of a saturday cartoon villain (CURSE YOU, HE-MAN!) or maybe a Final Fantasy boss.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I find the new one looks far better- actually fitting the C'Tan and necron aesthetic rather than being some minion of Nagash who got lost and tripped over some scarabs.

Major Wes knows this I'm sure, the but reason the original model looks like it doesn't fit is because... it was never meant to. The C'Tan and the Kroot were both failed proposals for a separate faction that didn't make but were then mashed into a another new faction. That's why they had so little in common visually with the main faction.

I knew about the Kroot but I was today years old when I learned that the C'tan originally weren't supposed to be part of the Necrons. I thought they were conceived as a plot device to turn the Necrons into the BIGGEST BADDEST THREAT EVER when their 3rd Edi iteration was released.
Got any more intel on the original C'tan faction?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Size comparison

Spoiler:

The Nightbringer will become the culmination of the story that begins with the new Kill Team: Tomb World boxed set, which will be up for preorder in just a few weeks’ time.
And tomorrow, we’ll be looking at two new Kill Teams, which will be arriving around the same time as the Nightbringer.

I think this picture really shows the problem I have with the miniature

It's a fantastic update, other than the size. Look at how much bigger it is, but the only reason it's like that is because they for some reason decided to make the bottom half of it unnececarrily take up a huge amount of space, with an extra-large Robe end that's spread out wide and Scarabs to make it even bigger. If it weren't for all that, which doesn't even particularly add anything as it's just empty filler really, it wouldn't be too far off from the original.

Agreed. The size difference is to justify the likely overpricing.
I say that having recently noticed that the new AOS Revenant Dracolich is over twice the price of the old Zombie Dragon with no size difference.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The only thing I don’t much like about the new Nightbringer is that it appears to be actually holding its scythe in the manner that some mortal peon might hold a gun. As though it’s a separate piece of equipment and not the thing’s sheer malice manifested through its necrodermis.
Fortunately this can be corrected with some simple adjustments.

Looking at the close-ups of the hand 'holding' the scythe, there are little runnels of its necrodermis flowing upwards from the fingers to form the blade.

 Esmer wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I find the new one looks far better- actually fitting the C'Tan and necron aesthetic rather than being some minion of Nagash who got lost and tripped over some scarabs.

Major Wes knows this I'm sure, the but reason the original model looks like it doesn't fit is because... it was never meant to. The C'Tan and the Kroot were both failed proposals for a separate faction that didn't make but were then mashed into a another new faction. That's why they had so little in common visually with the main faction.

I knew about the Kroot but I was today years old when I learned that the C'tan originally weren't supposed to be part of the Necrons. I thought they were conceived as a plot device to turn the Necrons into the BIGGEST BADDEST THREAT EVER when their 3rd Edi iteration was released.
Got any more intel on the original C'tan faction?

There wasn't a C'tan 'faction' beyond the name (without the apostrophe) and a handful of name drops. There weren't any designs prior to the 3rd edition Necron codex (whereas kroot had actually been pictured).

Even if there had been C'tan designs - or even models - prior to their association with the Necrons, GW isn't averse to making significant aesthetic changes to factions - see 2nd to 3rd ed. Necrons, for example.

First time I ever heard of C'tan was when the Callidus was brand new and she had a C'tan Phase Sword as a wargear card

 KidCthulhu wrote:
First time I ever heard of C'tan was when the Callidus was brand new and she had a C'tan Phase Sword as a wargear card

And in the 3rd ed necron codex if you tried to stab a C’tan with one, it would just reabsorb it, disarming the attacker.

 Esmer wrote:
The new one reminds me of a saturday cartoon villain (CURSE YOU, HE-MAN!) or maybe a Final Fantasy boss.

You say this like it's a bad thing.

INB4 "...but you just told me you didn't like that?"

I'm perfectly okay with individual models looking like cartoon villains, especially if they're actually villains. I just don't want to whole bloody setting to be full of Saturday morning cartoons (see: Age of Sigmar).

Personally, I think the new Nightbringer is badass, and is FAR more imposing than its predecessor. This one actually looks more like it's part of a star god instead of just a blue ghost.

I like the fact that they stuck this close to the previous design, but it's way too expansive with all the scarabs and pixelated cloak effects. But it looks like stripping him down to a more reasonable dimensions is going to be fairly simple. Scarabs can be repurposed, too.

I like it but looking at the comparison I have to say I wish the new model showed more chest and less foot. Although this foot is objectively better than the one the Sisters got for their statue terrain.

 Esmer wrote:


I knew about the Kroot but I was today years old when I learned that the C'tan originally weren't supposed to be part of the Necrons. I thought they were conceived as a plot device to turn the Necrons into the BIGGEST BADDEST THREAT EVER when their 3rd Edi iteration was released.
Got any more intel on the original C'tan faction?

Afraid not, going off of 20 year old memories of behind the scenes articles, something to the extent of they had several ideas for new factions, Necrons and Tau won, but they decided to incorporate the C'Tan and Kroot into them.

I doubt the C'tan ever got as far as rules or models but who knows? A Godzilla army of 3-4 C'Tan might have been an interesting direction.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Esmer wrote:


I knew about the Kroot but I was today years old when I learned that the C'tan originally weren't supposed to be part of the Necrons. I thought they were conceived as a plot device to turn the Necrons into the BIGGEST BADDEST THREAT EVER when their 3rd Edi iteration was released.
Got any more intel on the original C'tan faction?

Afraid not, going off of 20 year old memories of behind the scenes articles, something to the extent of they had several ideas for new factions, Necrons and Tau won, but they decided to incorporate the C'Tan and Kroot into them.

I doubt the C'tan ever got as far as rules or models but who knows? A Godzilla army of 3-4 C'Tan might have been an interesting direction.

The Atlanta GT had a 6 C'Tan list in it. Super scary.

A few things without quoting a million times as I so often do:

RE: Feeling sorry for the team about the leak:

See, I don't. I feel sorry for the customers when we DON'T get leaks that allow us to effectively plan our participation in this very expensive hobby.

Knowing that there's a second box in the series that is likely to have some terrain that augments what you get in the first will likely push me to buy DW v Crons, but if I didn't know this was coming, I might hesitate long enough that all the copies of the first would be gone by the time I figured out I wanted one.

It also let's me know I need to hold off on other purchases in order to get these two boxes. I feel GREAT for the team: their product line is probably going to get 400-500 CAD from me that they wouldn't have if they had stuck to GW's policy of secrecy, and it's my dollars that pay their salaries, not the rush they get after a successful preview show.

RE: The new Nightbringer

I'm really surprised about the amount of folks who prefer the old Nightbringer. I think that most people who are complaining about fiddly bits are thinking of just this model without thinking of how it looks standing with the rest of the army. There are so many other models in the army that have those same visual cues that it's a unifying factor.

There was a comment about the scythe, and see, again, the scythe = arm thing was one of the things I didn't like about the original- it always felt like the sculptor wanted to get of work early so didn't bother sculpting a hand. How much of a God are you if you can't even pick your nose cuz one of your hands is a six foot razor and the other blends in with your cloak?

It's all subjective anyway, but I did expect way more positive responses than I'm seeing.

 PenitentJake wrote:
I think that most people who are complaining about fiddly bits are thinking of just this model without thinking of how it looks standing with the rest of the army. There are so many other models in the army that have those same visual cues that it's a unifying factor.

None of my Necrons have splodgy lightning or weird pixelation.

Why would necrodermis even be pixelated? It's, if anything, even weirder on the Nightbringer than it is on other Necrons.

 PenitentJake wrote:
A few things without quoting a million times as I so often do:

RE: Feeling sorry for the team about the leak:

See, I don't. I feel sorry for the customers when we DON'T get leaks that allow us to effectively plan our participation in this very expensive hobby.

Knowing that there's a second box in the series that is likely to have some terrain that augments what you get in the first will likely push me to buy DW v Crons, but if I didn't know this was coming, I might hesitate long enough that all the copies of the first would be gone by the time I figured out I wanted one.

It also let's me know I need to hold off on other purchases in order to get these two boxes. I feel GREAT for the team: their product line is probably going to get 400-500 CAD from me that they wouldn't have if they had stuck to GW's policy of secrecy, and it's my dollars that pay their salaries, not the rush they get after a successful preview show.

RE: The new Nightbringer

I'm really surprised about the amount of folks who prefer the old Nightbringer. I think that most people who are complaining about fiddly bits are thinking of just this model without thinking of how it looks standing with the rest of the army. There are so many other models in the army that have those same visual cues that it's a unifying factor.

There was a comment about the scythe, and see, again, the scythe = arm thing was one of the things I didn't like about the original- it always felt like the sculptor wanted to get of work early so didn't bother sculpting a hand. How much of a God are you if you can't even pick your nose cuz one of your hands is a six foot razor and the other blends in with your cloak?

It's all subjective anyway, but I did expect way more positive responses than I'm seeing.

Pretty sure the reason why the hand is attached to the scythe is because C'tan can shape their necrodermis at will. So if the Nightbringer really wanted to pick his nose he can just...shapeshift away the scythe.
Hell, in the 3rd ed codex the deceiver was capable of changing his form to look like people, and he was able to infiltrate high ranking imperial positions that way.
It's meant to be a bit of visual story telling, and apparently that's something they kept from the old model. Which I think was a good move.

Still not a fan of how "dynamic" he is though. I really would have preferred him to just be floating menacingly, with some poor humans below him getting their life sucked out of them.
If you really wanted flashy energy supporting bits that would have been a great place to attach them too.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
I think that most people who are complaining about fiddly bits are thinking of just this model without thinking of how it looks standing with the rest of the army. There are so many other models in the army that have those same visual cues that it's a unifying factor.

None of my Necrons have splodgy lightning or weird pixelation.

Why would necrodermis even be pixelated? It's, if anything, even weirder on the Nightbringer than it is on other Necrons.

Yeah, the lightning I understand, that's a og necron thing they had since 3rd ed, but pixels? What, is it because they are robots, so they HAVE to have some digital distortion?
That's a recent design choice that I'm not a fan of.

Personally, I like the pixel cloak, reminds me of the pixel hole in the void dragon model, the necron overlord with shroud, and the triangular sphere on the obelisk. I also like the scarabs, but I don’t like how it looks like they’re all aligned to the same plane, a little curve would be nice.

The C'tan fit when you consider that they are supposed to be the T-1000 to the Necrons' T-800.

The whole Pixelation thing is just a visual way to represent the whole phasing in and out of the Necrons which has been a thing for ages. Originally it was just a background detail and a thing that happened in battle.

Now we see the digital pixelation as basically GW's way to represent that effect on the battlefield.

 Overread wrote:
The whole Pixelation thing is just a visual way to represent the whole phasing in and out of the Necrons which has been a thing for ages. Originally it was just a background detail and a thing that happened in battle.

Now we see the digital pixelation as basically GW's way to represent that effect on the battlefield.

I guess. It's not quite how I imagined phasing out to be. I always envisioned it as being like kind of fading in and out of reality. But then again, I have no idea how one can show that on a model so fair enough I suppose.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I find the new one looks far better- actually fitting the C'Tan and necron aesthetic rather than being some minion of Nagash who got lost and tripped over some scarabs.

Major Wes knows this I'm sure, the but reason the original model looks like it doesn't fit is because... it was never meant to. The C'Tan and the Kroot were both failed proposals for a separate faction that didn't make but were then mashed into a another new faction. That's why they had so little in common visually with the main faction.

Not sure that quite adds up. I'm aware that those are the origins of the concepts, but as far as I'm aware, the decision to merge the concepts was made before any of the models were made – or, at least, I'm not aware of any evidence they'd already been designed prior to the decision to merge them into their respective armies. The concept for the C'tan might have predated their inclusion as part of the Necron army, but I don't think the model's final look was necessarily decided before the decision to combine them was made.

EDIT: Small typos corrected.