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my mistake. Refresh my memory, does these boxes comes with exclusive models, or its only a smaller selection of the main box?

Should be a smaller selection of the sprues from the launch box... the biggest true Starter Box will have the two Spearhead forces and not extra stuff like the Ratling Cannon most likely. Just going off the Leviathan sets.

Since GW likes to mirror things between AoS and 40k and going by the 40k starter boxes.

Intro set, same or 10% more expensive price than 40k one. 5 Liberators, 10 Clanrats and the 5 paints, clippers, measuring stick and board along with beginner handbook.

Since GW put the full combat patrols in the Ultimate set we can conclude it's the already revealed Spearhead contents. Again same or 10% more expensive than 40k now.

Now the problem is with the mid tier starter. The 40k version is almost but not quite the two Combat Patrols, it's missing the Barbgaunts and the Librarian Termie.

Maybe the mid tier will lose the Grey Seer and the Lord-Veritant? Or one side will lose one of it's bigger trios, the Rat-Ogres or Prosecutors?

The big difference is terrain, the AoS box came with a little terrain, the 40k one didn't come with any but it's ultimate version had a lot.

Maybe since Spearhead is being pushed much more (And may have been ingrained more than with 10th 40k Combat Patrol) they'll have both the bigger starter sets with full Spearheads and maybe the ultimate version comes with some more terrain and 2 more HQs?

We can be sure the one with two Spearheads will also have the 4 terrain pieces

chaos0xomega wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 skrulnik wrote:
Have there been leaks for the starter sets contents yet?

Not leaks, but official publication. Its all pver Warhammer community

I think they mean the non-limited 3 tier starter sets, as opposed to the LAUNCH BOX that GW has been hyping.

Yes, I did mean the 3 tier sets.

 Baragash wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I keep hearing how Olde Wirlde players will snatch this box up for Skaven but by all reports AoS outsells WHFB so I cant imagine New WHFB suddenly cannibalizing AoS.

We will see I guess.

At risk of being somewhat pedantic, that's not what sales cannibalisation is, it would only be cannibalisation if the TOW players were buying AoS Skaven instead of an army in the existing TOW range.

You've got a point, it would cannibalize demand I guess? Diverting minis to another game?

Anyway I think the concerns/hopes that this game will sell out because of pent up TOW Skaven demand is overblown. I would imagine anyone who wants a TOW Skaven army has one and there just are not a significantly significant number of people looking to start a new army because of this box.

But time will tell.


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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
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Also, it's nothing like Ikea, assembling a wardrobe and assembling miniatures really isn't comparable.

Not compatible at all! I never have to cut my Ikea wardrobe parts off of a sprue, file and clean them and then carefully study the wardrobe rules to see which combination of drawers is more point effecting and worry that my choice might be invalidated in the next FAQ!

Building GW minis is less and less fun.

I think the model where the left foot was a separate bit broke me.

I would agree that people who want a Skaven army already have one, but those people are alos chasing some specific models down that are in that box
like with the old Island of Blood Skavens

the main problem of the Skaven model range was that the special units people needed were either metal models, fragile finecast or very bad quality (weapons teams, rat-ogres, jezzails etc.) and the good stuff people were building around the large centerpiece plastics

hence people with existing armies want certain parts of the Skave half of the box which will increase demand while at the same time having the left over available for cheap in masses
(imagine everyone just wants at least 6 jezzails and 6 rat-ogres, with 3 of each being in the box, while there is no demand for 80 infantry)

Yea 40 clanrats in the box is harsh, when there could have been 20 and a redo of another unit that veterans would appreciate moving into plastic. It's not like they need all 40 for the Spearhead roster, either.

Silver lining - I've read somewhere that you can build 6 distinct command groups

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea 40 clanrats in the box is harsh, when there could have been 20 and a redo of another unit that veterans would appreciate moving into plastic. It's not like they need all 40 for the Spearhead roster, either.

Silver lining - I've read somewhere that you can build 6 distinct command groups

I can imagine the new clanrats will at least be popular as front rank troops for TOW Skaven players; while I think the previous ones looked great, they are absolutely lost on the 25mm bases TOW wants them on (ironic, given how much better to rank up they were than their predecessors, who took up far too much space), so having these more dynamic, wider rats in the front seems good. Having a lot of command options is particularly welcome in that case.
Plus, anything that moves away from very restricted builds on multipart plastics is absolutely welcome news too.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea 40 clanrats in the box is harsh, when there could have been 20 and a redo of another unit that veterans would appreciate moving into plastic. It's not like they need all 40 for the Spearhead roster, either.

Silver lining - I've read somewhere that you can build 6 distinct command groups

I can imagine the new clanrats will at least be popular as front rank troops for TOW Skaven players; while I think the previous ones looked great, they are absolutely lost on the 25mm bases TOW wants them on (ironic, given how much better to rank up they were than their predecessors, who took up far too much space), so having these more dynamic, wider rats in the front seems good. Having a lot of command options is particularly welcome in that case.
Plus, anything that moves away from very restricted builds on multipart plastics is absolutely welcome news too.

You do realise these will be mostly monopose without options or many interchangeable components? At best it'll be 1-2 parts different on each torso and after 40 you get duplicates.

Dudeface wrote:


You do realise these will be mostly monopose without options or many interchangeable components? At best it'll be 1-2 parts different on each torso and after 40 you get duplicates.

Pretty much that, of the 20 rats per sprue, 14 of them are completely monopose with the other 6 having either a normal rat build or a command model build (two different leaders, two musicians and two banner bearers)
But what is very nice at least is that there are different heads for the leader for Clan Verminus, Eshin, Pestilens and Skyre.

Eh, I maintain that 20 unique, dynamic, monopose sculpts is more variety than the ol' 4 legs, 4 torsos and 4 of each arm, where most joints allow for maybe 30 degrees of rotation before the model starts looking like it's been through a bad car crash, and they mostly all look like they're pooping standing up and are a bit angry about it.

I've not seen the sprues yet but yeah that does sound like a good balance of easy to build monopose and flexible multipart models.

It would be a good model for IG to follow.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Not sure what cereal boxes you're used too, but i've got the darkoath box right here and it's a hell of a lot more solid than that.

But you sound like a direct case of "stop liking what i don't like."

Some of the big boxes are "cereal" (same as Start Collecting! boxes etc) including the latest Kill Team - Nightmare

Speaking of Nightmare, does anyone know where I can find it? I can't seem to locate it on GW's new webstore.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh, I maintain that 20 unique, dynamic, monopose sculpts is more variety than the ol' 4 legs, 4 torsos and 4 of each arm, where most joints allow for maybe 30 degrees of rotation before the model starts looking like it's been through a bad car crash, and they mostly all look like they're pooping standing up and are a bit angry about it.

Another good point is that the new and old clanrats really don't look vastly different when painted the same. Yes the new ones are better but not so much better you can't mix them with the old ones to get some more variation.
Here's an example of two old ones on the left and two new ones on the right:

 vipoid wrote:
Speaking of Nightmare, does anyone know where I can find it? I can't seem to locate it on GW's new webstore.

Yea... these things tend to not last a day, let alone to the release of the next box. Your best bet now is some decrepit game store with no online presence.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/25/the-new-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-app-is-coming-soon-heres-what-to-expect/

new app. tldr, it's like the 40k app

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Speaking of Nightmare, does anyone know where I can find it? I can't seem to locate it on GW's new webstore.

Yea... these things tend to not last a day, let alone to the release of the next box. Your best bet now is some decrepit game store with no online presence.

Ugh.

Is there a reason GW isn't making more of them?

You know, so they can sell them. For money. The way companies generally work.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/25/the-new-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-app-is-coming-soon-heres-what-to-expect/

new app. tldr, it's like the 40k app

you mean complete garbage unless you want to spend a fortune? figures... guess i shouldn't be surprised. I still don't understand how they think that this is a good idea. I cant imagine how many people have started a new army from just having easy access to stats and rules that they could just thumb through. how do you know if you like an army and want to start it, buy the codex and hope its cool?
rule of cool on the models is nice and all but i dont want to jump in to an army and find out their rules are crap.

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/25/the-new-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-app-is-coming-soon-heres-what-to-expect/

new app. tldr, it's like the 40k app

Article states, "Arriving shortly after the launch of the new edition," but then say it will launch on July 15. Seems they are trying to hedge a bit. Anyone have any confidence in that and that it will work as promised?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/25/warhammer-studio-interview-designing-the-new-stormcast-eternals/

Actually quite an interesting read.

Billicus wrote:
And some card decks for Spearhead, and a board, etc. If you've no intention of playing Spearhead I think it's a relatively tough sell. Having watched some videos of people enthusing about how well it plays though I'm pretty interested in Spearhead so I'm in

If you want the models for one side it's going to be cheaper to buy box and sell other models than buy models separately later though


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 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/25/the-new-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-app-is-coming-soon-heres-what-to-expect/

new app. tldr, it's like the 40k app

Built in support for legends which is nice.

Warscrolls paywalled irritation vs now but own army rule browsing will be lot faster

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
I still don't understand how they think that this is a good idea. I cant imagine how many people have started a new army from just having easy access to stats and rules that they could just thumb through. how do you know if you like an army and want to start it, buy the codex and hope its cool?

Never mind an app, remember the old, GOOD, working GW (not 'Warhammer') store that had PDFs with rules next to each AoS unit so you could read these as you were browsing? Man, killing that sure helped the sales, eh?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Not compatible at all! I never have to cut my Ikea wardrobe parts off of a sprue, file and clean them and then carefully study the wardrobe rules to see which combination of drawers is more point effecting and worry that my choice might be invalidated in the next FAQ!

And then when GW tried to fix that aspect and tried to roll similar weapons into rough categories* so people worry less about it and could do more rule of cool/conversions we had this incessant, insufferable whining about it here for months, especially from players of a certain spiky emo army? Go figure

*OK some of it went too far but good 2/3 of weapon groups were pretty good idea, especially in armies where you can hardly tell what is what anyway...

 Matrindur wrote:

Spoiler:

Actually this image is hilarious because it (yet again) confirms what people were saying all along - it's the mULtiPoSe models who look like lazy copy pastes lacking detail, poses, and undercuts while none of new ones looks the same and you can tell who is mook/leader/special at a glance.

Oh no, 3 new models out of 120 look kinda similar, this is sooo much worse than 114 out of 120 being virtual clones

 usernamesareannoying wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/25/the-new-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-app-is-coming-soon-heres-what-to-expect/

new app. tldr, it's like the 40k app

you mean complete garbage unless you want to spend a fortune? figures... guess i shouldn't be surprised. I still don't understand how they think that this is a good idea. I cant imagine how many people have started a new army from just having easy access to stats and rules that they could just thumb through. how do you know if you like an army and want to start it, buy the codex and hope its cool?
rule of cool on the models is nice and all but i dont want to jump in to an army and find out their rules are crap.

Rules are very temporary, the models less so. Lots of people buy said cool model and the rules change twice before the units built and painted.

I can't imagine buying purely based on contemporary meta unless it's to tourney chase or a short turn turnaround you plan to sell on.

yeah, the "Warhammer Hobby" is collecting GW models and once in a while put them in the table and roll some dice, so the models don't get dusty

anyone thinking "the hobby" includes gaming should look for something different

Yep even before you find out if the rules fit your taste, they already changed twice.

And even if you buy the rules for your models, when they make a new book they will take the rules out of your app. They really really don't seem to want people to actually play.

Another Spearhead battle report

I really hope we get a darkoath Slaves to Darkness spearhead in a white dwarf or something, be nice to use the cool stuff from the army set