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 Prometheum5 wrote:
I'm just curious to see the clipper-free sprues on the Intro set and magazine.

Probably the style of the Space Marine Heroes kits.

Maybe! Those are made by a different factory, but there's certainly plenty of other examples of Japanese plamo kits designed for beginners with easy sprue connections. Curious to see if GW has learned from that for their production, or if those sprues will be different.

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Maybe! Those are made by a different factory, but there's certainly plenty of other examples of Japanese plamo kits designed for beginners with easy sprue connections. Curious to see if GW has learned from that for their production, or if those sprues will be different.

Some of the event models have been using them as does Lt. Titus from the Space Marine tie in board game.

SamusDrake wrote:
And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
Maybe! Those are made by a different factory, but there's certainly plenty of other examples of Japanese plamo kits designed for beginners with easy sprue connections. Curious to see if GW has learned from that for their production, or if those sprues will be different.

Some of the event models have been using them as does Lt. Titus from the Space Marine tie in board game.

Huh, I did not catch that when I built Titus

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

Lets not forget back in the "golden days" a lot of metal models were almost just like that; they'd stick onto the slot base and that was about all you had to do. You might have one arm or a plastic shield to glue on.


That said honestly I think that with all GW pushes "the hobby" and with their glues, tools and paint; I don't think they'll ever quite push for going beyond push-fit models. Not only is one-part models far more limiting with plastics in terms of pose and design work; but it also eats into "the hobby" marketing that GW does.
On one front there's bringing down barriers of entry, on the other there's maintaining the core focus of your product.



As you say for a one-off intro set its not a bad thing, but on the other hand I think that assembling the model IS a big part of that welcome into the hobby itself. Putting together your first model is, I think, a core memory of many getting started in this hobby. There's a sense of achievement in just doing that and heck many people engage with the hobby purely as a built and paint activity. Push-fit makes that process a lot easier and quicker, but its still an assembly phase, you still get that "you did a thing" when just putting the models together. Plus it sets you up for the idea that every other model you get is going to be something you have to assemble.

 Overread wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
And next edition they'll make them assemble-free...

and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

Lets not forget back in the "golden days" a lot of metal models were almost just like that; they'd stick onto the slot base and that was about all you had to do. You might have one arm or a plastic shield to glue on.


That said honestly I think that with all GW pushes "the hobby" and with their glues, tools and paint; I don't think they'll ever quite push for going beyond push-fit models. Not only is one-part models far more limiting with plastics in terms of pose and design work; but it also eats into "the hobby" marketing that GW does.
On one front there's bringing down barriers of entry, on the other there's maintaining the core focus of your product.



As you say for a one-off intro set its not a bad thing, but on the other hand I think that assembling the model IS a big part of that welcome into the hobby itself. Putting together your first model is, I think, a core memory of many getting started in this hobby. There's a sense of achievement in just doing that and heck many people engage with the hobby purely as a built and paint activity. Push-fit makes that process a lot easier and quicker, but its still an assembly phase, you still get that "you did a thing" when just putting the models together. Plus it sets you up for the idea that every other model you get is going to be something you have to assemble.

yeah, that's all very true. i'm one of the apparently rare people who actually enjoys assembling models, so i think there's a lot of benefit to having them still be push-fit. there's also a certain sense of joy in assembling your first model. i was looking through pictures on my phone a few days and stumbled across a picture of the three necron warrior models from the paint kit— even just assembling felt worth a picture at the start

I love kitbashing and scratch building, it's my favorite part of the hobby, that's why I spend most of my time in the blanchitsu/28 parts of it.

But building a stock model that only goes together one way anyway is just a chore, those might as well come prebuilt.

I'm doing Trugg right now, and there's no value added to it for having been built by me. I need him for AoS but there's no creativity involved in this.

Yeah, I like to build models but I want to have at least a choice of different heads and arms. That is why models like Fireforge Living Dead for example are so great - just by giving a different head to my zombie I can achieve a different look of it where models like for example latest Skaven have no or very limited variety in that aspect (different heads just for leaders?).

I played a game of Spearhead on launch day, and then last weekend wen to visit some old budies and played a game each with two of them. Both left the game listing what models they needed to buy to finish a legal spearhead!

I'm mostly a 40k guy, I have played zero games of AOS proper. I liked Warcry, but moved and lost my group. Spearhead is now probably my favorite game from a play perspective. It's fast, it locks in choices that don't matter while allowing choices that do, and still feels like a proper unit based game while cutting out stuff that wouldn't work at that scale. The battle deck is the mechanic that really lets the game sing.

While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

 Polonius wrote:
While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

There's list building, obviously, but it's possible 3-4 different Spearheads are gonna be more satisfying for the same money than one full army even from a variety standpoint.

 Polonius wrote:
I played a game of Spearhead on launch day, and then last weekend wen to visit some old budies and played a game each with two of them. Both left the game listing what models they needed to buy to finish a legal spearhead!

I'm mostly a 40k guy, I have played zero games of AOS proper. I liked Warcry, but moved and lost my group. Spearhead is now probably my favorite game from a play perspective. It's fast, it locks in choices that don't matter while allowing choices that do, and still feels like a proper unit based game while cutting out stuff that wouldn't work at that scale. The battle deck is the mechanic that really lets the game sing.

While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

I agree with this completely. Especially as they publish additional Spearhead forces.

I've managed to get a couple more spearhead games in and i agree it's great. Probably one of the best little rulesets they've put out for a long time. But i still do enjoy a good afternoon of one soild big battle. Both are going to have their place as long as Spearhead doesn't suffer from being ignored going forwards.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I agree with this completely. Especially as they publish additional Spearhead forces.

As the resident cynic, this is my fear, more than being ignored I worry they'll succumb to pressure for more content and/or desire to push WD sales and give us some phoned-in untested new rosters.

I really wish any new material would come in the shape of a full new box (new board, cards and sprue for two new realms) and a book with a new roster for each faction that also went through the trial of a lengthy studio league, and not sooner than next year.

I do wish there was another Spearhead or so per faction and hope we see more added with decent frequency. Even with just the Skaventide box, I got a bunch of cool new models but if I want to focus on Spearhead I don't get to use quite a few of the new Skaven friends. I get that the second Skaven force is covering the previous Vanguard box, but I'd love to have seen a force that uses the Rattling Blaster war machine and/or the Jezzys as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
While I'm not opposed to trying to full scale game, I'm just not sure I'd really have more fun playing one 2000 point game than two games of spearhead with time to spare.

There's list building, obviously, but it's possible 3-4 different Spearheads are gonna be more satisfying for the same money than one full army even from a variety standpoint.

And the spearheads seem to play wildly different. I've played Tzeentch against Night Haunts, OBRs, and Kruleboys, and they all played very differently. I can't even imagine what Gargants or Sky Dwarfs play like!

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


and for an intro set, that's fine. it's the kind of thing that's only ever going to be a player's first purchase, so i don't think it's wrong to make it easy

Hey, I'm all for it. One of the reasons I love games like Castle Ravenloft is that the models are straight out of the box and you're playing the game, instead of spending an evening or two with clippers and a stanley knife.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
I agree with this completely. Especially as they publish additional Spearhead forces.

As the resident cynic, this is my fear, more than being ignored I worry they'll succumb to pressure for more content and/or desire to push WD sales and give us some phoned-in untested new rosters.

I really wish any new material would come in the shape of a full new box (new board, cards and sprue for two new realms) and a book with a new roster for each faction that also went through the trial of a lengthy studio league, and not sooner than next year.

The flip side is the current Vanguard boxes presumably weren't made with Spearhead in mind (though I guess there's a small chance they were?) so they're having to balance purely with rules, with a fixed set of units. Future Spearhead content, boxed or otherwise, will have more flexibility in what actually goes in it.

Though with fixed price the # of cash units have is roughly same either way. Along with other standard things boxes tend to tick not going to wildly differ.

Especially now that big models are largely being removed


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Initial tournament results in btw. Nighthaunt, lumineth, soulblight and tzeentch top dogs. Not surprised ghosts up. When ghost groups didn't explode in whines when they were previewed went "uh oh" already lol. High mobility always good along with plenty bodies that ignore rend

Kruleboyz and khorne at bottom. That was bit of surprise. With mobility tricks would have expected better. For khorne o how mighty have fallen.

I was planning to main Nighthaunt, but after these results I might as well wait for the nerf bat before buying anything. Luckily Gitz are in the healthy middle. I'm surprised Nurgle isn't dead last, and I don't think any tier list predicted Kruleboyz to suck so bad.

Bit premature to be saying this sucks/OP based on such early results, isn't it?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Bit premature to be saying this sucks/OP based on such early results, isn't it?

Yes. It's at this stage that good players who learn the in and outs of the new edition quickly will win almost regardless of the faction they play. Many of the most powerful abilities like counter charge are universal and a player who doesn't know how to utilise them and counter them will lose against a player who does even if they are running a stronger list.
There's also the production meta to consider. The strongest Kruleboyz unit is very different than it was last edition. The same is true for Khorne.

I personally thought Kruleboyz looked a little squishy for their points costs from the beginning, mobility tricks be damned. 170 for 10 Gutrippaz is a bit too much (last edition they were 150). And that's just one example.

I'd like to give people a chance to actually learn to play them this edition first before passing any judgement just yet.

Possibly new SCE Reclusians in the diorama video that was posted to Warhammer Community. At 1:45 shows what looks to be a Reclusian with a 2 handed axe.

Could be a conversion, as I haven't assembled anything from the Skaventide box yet and aren't familiar with their sculpts.

Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Rats still winning https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/07/26/the-slaughter-for-hel-crown-intensifies-heres-how-the-battle-progresses/

Outside the city, the battle is almost too close to call,

you sure about that?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Definitely, Skaventide doesn't have one with two tiny right arms ending in a blade each.