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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
First one to do a Mad Max type army of Hellflayers and Doomwheel wins a virtual cookie.

That's the plan for these beauties. Would love to see a character on a mechanised wheel to go along.

Dang, now that's a Verminlord. What a massive improvement over the previous set (which never sat right by me). Probably far too big for any of my skirmish-game purposes, but let's see if I can find an excuse.

Stormvermin and Globadiers are ace too. Arch Warlock is pretty excellent as well. Good stuff; a long-awaited but worthy update to the range.

Warhammer Community wrote:Alongside the regular hardback edition of this book stuffed with lore and rules you’re used to, there will also be a limited number available in a new format. These are the Gamer’s Editions, designed for players who want all of their rules in one package. The Battletome is a smaller-format softback book that fits in a backpack, and comes with a complete set of reference cards and a cardboard envelope to pack all your essentials.

Interesting new format, shame they're going for limited edition. Hopefully the price is at least lower than the big hardback.

WarCom updated with images for

Weapons Teams:


and Stormvermin:



The weapon team can all be build with the same weapon so likely no forced mixed units (but still might be possible if you want to)

Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

 Matrindur wrote:



Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

The palanquin is from the novel and doesn't come from the two original leakers. The list I shared earlier is accurate including the name Krittock Foulblade. The only exception is the wolf rats. It's weird to have one thing stand out from anotherwise accurate list.

Chikout wrote:


The palanquin is from the novel and doesn't come from the two original leakers. The list I shared earlier is accurate including the name Krittock Foulblade. The only exception is the wolf rats. It's weird to have one thing stand out from anotherwise accurate list.

Yeah seems like I grabbed the wrong list

Very nice, very tempting army.



Seriously disturbing levels of body horror in this one. The co-joined twin or implanted rat reloading his gun is very disturbing.

Well done GW!

Stunning release across the board, but really disappointed at the complete lack of Pestilens representation (which is how I would have wanted to build a Skaven army).

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Stunning release across the board, but really disappointed at the complete lack of Pestilens representation (which is how I would have wanted to build a Skaven army).

While this is true I'd say Eshin needs something way more. Yes Plague Monks could really use a new kit but Eshin only have three kits right now of which two are heroes and the other unit is more monkey than rat

 Matrindur wrote:

While this is true I'd say Eshin needs something way more.

It's not a competition mate. Both are in a shoddy spot by virtue of having their only core unit be badly dated

Damn, they really nailed everything in this release, eh?

The only slight miss might be the lack of maille on the Stormvermin, replaced with weird looking overalls, but I guess that's a plastic limitation.

As someone who always wanted a slaven army but was put off by the old sculpts... I still am a little. This is all a little character heavy and it feels like half the army has been left out on the cold. Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

no review of the book yet, so we don't know
but my guess is that everything that does not get a new model will be legends

 Overread wrote:
Most likely just how the models are cut - whilst modern GW does their best at hiding joins and do a generally very good job of it; there are times when it doesn't happen. That said both look like they'd be pretty easy to fix when assembling.

No it's not an assembly error as you seem to be implying, whatever those gaps are they are meant to be visible. His retainers don't have separate cloaks they're both emerging from underneath his cloak.

The gaps on the cloth of Foulblade are visually jarring but it appears to be some sort of design choice as they are all over Vizzik Skour's cloth too. It is just they are executed a lot better on the larger model. Were there any similar looking cloth areas on the Skaventide miniatures?

The modularity on the weapon teams is fantastic.

Not sure the Stormvermin add anything over the old sculpts... in fact they take away the drilled, highly trained, regimented aspect that defined them.

Regarding the "disappearance" of Wolfrats, I have no info of course but my pet theory is that if they existed, they were scrapped after it was decided Skaven are getting a free full move in the enemy turn as a faction ability, and having a large fast unit with that turned out to be too strong. Idk just a thought. But the moment I read that I thought "this will be completely insane if they get cavalry"


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I just saw 3 X-wings fly into that seam on Foulblade's cloak, no doubt aiming for the 2 meter wide thermal exhaust port at the end of it,.

Dudeface wrote:
Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

I think that Gutterrunners are going Legends.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

I think that Gutterrunners are going Legends.

They're joined by Censer Bearers and the Plague Priest.

Do remember that Legends are intended to be legal for all Matched Play outside tournaments for the duration of 4th edition!

Dudeface wrote:As someone who always wanted a slaven army but was put off by the old sculpts... I still am a little. This is all a little character heavy and it feels like half the army has been left out on the cold. Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

Some stuff has been removed for the Index already as other said (though the Plague Priest on foot might be coming back in the form of Skabbiks Plague Pack if the little WarCom teaser is true) but we shouldn't be losing anything from the index to the battletome. There are only really two kits left that need a refresh anyway which is the Eshin Night Runners and the Pestilens Plague Monks. The actual problem is that Eshin only has 3 units in the Index (and so likely in the Battletome) with the Night Runners, the Deathmaster and the Verminlord Deceiver which isn't alot. Pestilens isn't as bad with 5 kits if its true that Skabbik returns as a Plague Priest.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:The gaps on the cloth of Foulblade are visually jarring but it appears to be some sort of design choice as they are all over Vizzik Skour's cloth too. It is just they are executed a lot better on the larger model. Were there any similar looking cloth areas on the Skaventide miniatures?

Yes the Rat Ogors have the same groves in their cloth. Its simply supposed to look like shoddily sewn together fabric. On Krittok's backside it also doesn't look that bad its just on the sides on the helpers were it doesn't really work.

lord_blackfang wrote:The modularity on the weapon teams is fantastic.

Not sure the Stormvermin add anything over the old sculpts... in fact they take away the drilled, highly trained, regimented aspect that defined them.

Regarding the "disappearance" of Wolfrats, I have no info of course but my pet theory is that if they existed, they were scrapped after it was decided Skaven are getting a free full move in the enemy turn as a faction ability, and having a large fast unit with that turned out to be too strong. Idk just a thought. But the moment I read that I thought "this will be completely insane if they get cavalry"

There is 0% chance any models gets scrapped because of rules. GW is always models first rules second.
Its way more likely somebody either meant the Gnawbeast the Clawlord is riding or simply saw the Wolfrats in the weapon teams without the rest and assumed they are getting a full unit

 Matrindur wrote:
WarCom updated with images for

Weapons Teams:

Spoiler:

and Stormvermin:

Spoiler:

The weapon team can all be build with the same weapon so likely no forced mixed units (but still might be possible if you want to)

Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

Oh neat, so it looks like weapon teams will be three to a box. I wonder if Stormvermin will come with a war pick option as well as the halberds.

So guys, after seeing all those new releases (both Skaventide and yesterday's), what are your top 5? Mine are (not necessarily in that order): Rat Ogres, Weapon Batteries, Stormvermin, Doom-Flayers and Grey Seer.

They absolutely nailed the globadiers and the rest is not too bad, either.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So guys, after seeing all those new releases (both Skaventide and yesterday's), what are your top 5? Mine are (not necessarily in that order): Rat Ogres, Weapon Batteries, Stormvermin, Doom-Flayers and Grey Seer.

Verminlord, Hamster balls, Clawlord, Master moulder, Globadiers.

I’m very impressed. The new cannon in the starter had me worried, but every reveal shown yesterday is a banger in my book. AoS range is hitting it out of the park this year. A think I never thought I’d say.
And everything looks ToW compatible, which is fantastic

Not necessarily model, but model part?

Krittik’s sword. It has that ratty look to match what’s bound within. A really nice touch done just about right, as it could’ve been overstated.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not necessarily model, but model part?

Krittik’s sword. It has that ratty look to match what’s bound within. A really nice touch done just about right, as it could’ve been overstated.

I am not a fan of that model but I like that now Skaven too can have daemonic weapons, and that those daemons bound there are also theirs. I would love to read some short story or maybe even a novel covering them talking to each other. Something like a comedy version of Malus Darkblade.

The new vermilord I cant decide if I like or dislike. He looks old an wise in a way, and have a very passive and boring pose that makes him feel out of place in the range.
Looks like an incredible sculpt, but somehow lack the busy-quick, up to mischief style of the rest of the range.
Guess he is the kind of skaven leader that smugly just watch his plans unfold, until its time to flee.
Yeah, I think I like him.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
The sad thing (yeah, kinda expected) from today's reveal is that there were no updates for Eshin. Would love me some sneaky Nightrunners.

The Doom Flayer riders actually look like the old Eshin kit, same monkey arms/hands and body proportions and pose. Though I don't think they're supposed to be Eshin.

 Fayric wrote:
The new vermilord I cant decide if I like or dislike. He looks old an wise in a way, and have a very passive and boring pose that makes him feel out of place in the range.
Looks like an incredible sculpt, but somehow lack the busy-quick, up to mischief style of the rest of the range.
Guess he is the kind of skaven leader that smugly just watch his plans unfold, until its time to flee.
Yeah, I think I like him.

I'm still on the fence as well. What struck me the most was how similar it looks to the previous iteration. The pose, the overall design - it's like they took the sculpt and updated it with the current style and additional detail. Not saying that's a bad approach per se, but I'd probably have liked something different this time around. I'm also wondering if there will be alternative builds for it, like different faces or options for his left hand.