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 BorderCountess wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
GW might have kept the lore bit about Sorcerers turning to stone with age.

I thought it wasn't age, but rather their use of magic...

Eh, a bit of a wonky mental shortcut on my part - the older the Sorcerer, the more magic he would have used over the course of his life and the more stone like he'd become as a result.

But yeah, the root cause of petrification was magic use.

I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.

Man it sucks but it makes sense. IMO FEC and Soulblight really shouldn't be separate factions. But GW really needed a 4th army for Death, and they couldn't split off Wights/Skeletons since they already had Bonereapers...

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.

How do you mean got to see it last August?


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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.

Man it sucks but it makes sense. IMO FEC and Soulblight really shouldn't be separate factions. But GW really needed a 4th army for Death, and they couldn't split off Wights/Skeletons since they already had Bonereapers...

Hard disagree. FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.

I’ll add my voice to “having competing nations of undead is cool”.

With Nagash, the father of all Necromancy, become a, and very nearly the God of Death? Having distinct forces under him does make sense. And each brings something different to his table.

Keeping them distinct, with at the very least their leaders, as is suited to Undead, having their own agenda and ego really works for me.

FEC are a particularly interesting culture, due to the curse.

Of the other three? Ossiarch are pretty much entirely bound to Nagash’s will, but in return as a whole have sentience. Vampires have sentience and a certain amount of freedom, but those they control and lead have neither. Nighthaunt are kind of the wildcard. Not summoned or necessarily desired by Nagash, but a tool he’s bent to his will all the same.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.

Why would that matter? FEC lore is for the most part a carbon copy of Strigoi lore from WFB, where they were quite comfortably a part of VC.

In fact, Strigoi courts in WFB were decisively more interesting than the current AoS offering of a ghoul with stick, ghoul with bigger stick, ghoul on a ghoul with a stick and bigger ghoul with stick.

It really, really isn't. The Strigoi never had the madness wrapped up as honour as a part of their fluff. They were the generic outcast monsters that the other vampires just bullied.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.

Why would that matter? FEC lore is for the most part a carbon copy of Strigoi lore from WFB, where they were quite comfortably a part of VC.

In fact, Strigoi courts in WFB were decisively more interesting than the current AoS offering of a ghoul with stick, ghoul with bigger stick, ghoul on a ghoul with a stick and bigger ghoul with stick.

Did the Strigoi have a collective delusion of being noble knights?

 Shakalooloo wrote:
Did the Strigoi have a collective delusion of being noble knights?

Some Strigoi were mad enough to believe they were noble rulers. They didn't share that with ghouls.

So a couple had madness? Not really the same thing as a species wide contagion that convinces them they're noble, holy warriors and protectors of the weak.

So on one side its a shame that the Vampires from Old World don't retain the vampires, ghosts and feral vampires of old.

At the same time splintering them into 3 forces means that there's space in the roster now for Vampires to have more were-vampires and wolves and things

Room for the Ghost army to have a massive number of various kinds of ghost

Room for the Flesh Eater Courts to go utterly nuts.


Whilst the design language for all 3 was once unified (as the Coven Throne still shows and the current BlackRider/Hex Rider kit) the split has allowed them to diverge quite a lot.



Much like the split of demons into 4 factions, it really feels like Death have done well splintering up into 3 factions and then adding the Ossiarchs for another layer of flavour to the roster.


FEC were the weakest for a long while, having cool lore but models that didn't really reflect it. The recent update really brought home their madness and I think more models like those being added to the roster will really help them stand apart


And yeah Terrorghiest and Zombie Dragon being separate kits makes 100% sense - it allows GW to be much more dynamic and detailed with the posing and detailing on the models.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:


How do you mean got to see it last August?

I've worked in and around the industry for almost two decades now, and once in a rare while get some of that friends and family preview magic. Sometimes it is awesome (I got to see an early sculpt of Fulgrim ages ago), and sometimes its worthless (at one point internally GW was legitmately flirting with a weird vampire pirate faction with crab monsters and odd stuff... then went a wholly different direction).

Anyway, I am super excited for literally every SBGL release, though as a Spearhead superfan, I am worried that one box at a glance doesn't seem terribly unique.

They more than just flirted with that, but also they ended up being in Total War Warhammer.

Don't know if anyone else caught it at the end of the page for SGL reveals, but they appear to have redone the standard Skeletons again to be easier to build. Not sure if that means recut versions of the Cursed City set or completely new sculpts, but shows they realised the very fragile nature of some of the parts in the current kit.

Yep, it was noticed. Iirc, thats the third iteration of that kit, iirc the version currently available is not the same as the one in cursed city, now the new one is yet another updare to them.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.

How do you mean got to see it last August?


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 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
I wonder if the new Zombie Dragon will be able to make a Terrorghest or if they're seperating them and saving that for the Flesheater courts. The latter makes sense giving how hard GW is trying to not have models kits in AoS belong to 2 different factions.

Separate kit. A few of us actually got to see the new Zombie Dragon last August and at the time we asked as it looked so different. No details on when a new Terrorgeist is coming, but it is. Probably around December with the new FEC book.

Man it sucks but it makes sense. IMO FEC and Soulblight really shouldn't be separate factions. But GW really needed a 4th army for Death, and they couldn't split off Wights/Skeletons since they already had Bonereapers...

Hard disagree. FEC is one of the genuinely good and original ideas GW ever had. No need to tie them down to another faction like that.

I just wish FEC had kept one other basic undead unit, I would have took Zombies.

Zombie serfs with farm equipment

I'll be brutally honest and say that zombies are perhaps my least favourite element of the soulblight army and "almost" feel like they don't fit in the modern organised, neat and tidy armies of modern soulblight.

I wouldn't shed a tear if they left and went to serve the ghouls

 Overread wrote:
I'll be brutally honest and say that zombies are perhaps my least favourite element of the soulblight army and "almost" feel like they don't fit in the modern organised, neat and tidy armies of modern soulblight.

I wouldn't shed a tear if they left and went to serve the ghouls

Would be cool to get a zombie kit with obvious bite marks and chunks taken out of them to fit the theme. “Sometimes the Courts find themselves at need of larger numbers of troops than the nobility can provide. On such occasions, rather than recruit from the general populace, their enlightened rulers instead conscript those who have transgressed the law in some way and require punishment. They are marked as such by the courtiers before being allowed to serve in order to complete their sentences.”

The fun thing is that if ghouls had zombies then they fit the "peasant army" theme of their "Noble warriors madness" really well.

You've got:
Zombies - peasant warriors
Ghouls - professional soldiers

Also as zombies are basically without will of their own and do the will of their master; with an insane master the zombies of ghouls would fit in perfectly with following their delusions. Imagine coming across a whole village where the peasants working the land are zombies trying to plough fields and so forth. Seeing them standing trading for fish in the market etc....

Heck even the zombie cart (without the rider) basically fits into FEC way better than Soulblight

Anyone have an educated guess as to when the new zombie dragon will be released?

 BertBert wrote:
Anyone have an educated guess as to when the new zombie dragon will be released?

Any time within the next 3 months.

That's basically GW's window for releases when they do a preview; roughly a 3 month window of previews.

My guess is after Eldar we'll get a smaller/specialist game release and then another big one. So it might go Eldar (already announced); Necromunda; Soulblight.

The new Mechanicum 30K model is on its own so unless its a teaser for a bigger update that they've held back on; that could come on its own alongside anything else, but possibly another good one to slot alongside Necromunda.

You've forgotten about the gitz launch and full release to happen in there as well.

I totally forgot about that yeah! That being the case then yeah I'd 100% expect them to be the next AoS army.

That being the case we might even see EC come out before Soulblight then and we are certainly looking at probably around 2-3 month release window for the Soulblight then!

 Overread wrote:
The new Mechanicum 30K model is on its own so unless its a teaser for a bigger update that they've held back on; that could come on its own alongside anything else, but possibly another good one to slot alongside Necromunda.

Both Necromunda and HH have shown off a number of resin models that have not been released that would go well alongside the Thanatar or Ash Wastes guys for a single or seperate weeks.

They do seem to have gotten into this habit of stock piling resins for months and then dumping them all at one go for some reason.

Which is odd cause even on the UK Websites resins are one of the things they just can't keep in stock for very long on existing ranges.

I mean you say that but all the old world resins that just came out haven't seemed to move at all over the weekend. Just the one wizard, so somethings' slowed down. And this is coming from someone who was dumb enough to get Frydaal at that price for my Darkoath.

True but I've mostly been watching the Brets/Mechanicum stuff jumping in and out of stock.

I do hope GW are turning a corner and that stocks can keep up