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Atomic Mass Games wrote:After long and careful consideration, we are here today to announce the end of development on Star Wars™: X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada.

We are grateful for the community’s passionate engagement and support. Over the past few years, rising production costs, global manufacturing, and pandemic-related challenges have made it increasingly difficult to produce high-quality, pre-painted miniatures which ultimately lead to the decision to end development.

Although development is ending, we are not stepping away from these games entirely. Atomic Mass Games will continue to support tournaments and Organized Play for both games, with OP kits to be found in your local shops, culminating in the Open World Championship at AdeptiCon in March 2025.

Thank you for your continued support and dedication.

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Asmodee USA wrote:We would like to take a moment to express our heartfelt appreciation to the Star Wars: X-Wing and Star Wars: Armada communities. While development of these games is ending, and we will have a limited quantity of product available for purchase, while supplies last, the adventure is far from over.

We are here to support Atomic Mass Games through a farewell tour, culminating in the Open Worlds Championships at AdeptiCon in March 2025. This will be a fantastic opportunity for fans to enjoy these games to the fullest, with our full support every step of the way.

But that's not all- our dedication to the Star Wars galaxy remains stronger than ever. We are thrilled to bring you new adventures with ongoing expansions and developments in both Star Wars: Shatterpoint and Star Wars: Legion.

Thank you for being a part of our community.

Can't say as it comes as a surprise, they obviously had no interest in continuing both games from the moment AMG took over. Think there reasoning given is nonsense though.

This was long coming, but still awful to see happen. X-wing was so special initially and it is always healthy for the industry when someone (even briefly) gives GW a black-eye.

I wish this would've been sold to someone as both systems only needed modest reworks to again be great... a real shame.

I wonder if it might be relauched with unpainted ships. From what I hear the golden age of cheap manufacturing+cheap high quality labor has ended.

I'm surprised. It still seemed to have a committed following. Nowhere near it's peak of course, but I always saw a fair few people playing it - enough for me to guess it was probably the second most common 'minis' game after 40k.

Wonder if this is so AMG can relaunch their own "totally not X-Wing" system in the future.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I'm surprised. It still seemed to have a committed following. Nowhere near it's peak of course, but I always saw a fair few people playing it - enough for me to guess it was probably the second most common 'minis' game after 40k.

Wonder if this is so AMG can relaunch their own "totally not X-Wing" system in the future.

I'm going to guess, "no". Insider rumor has always suggested that Pagani, Schick, etc... at Atomic Mass actively disliked X-wing and Armada, and had it thrust on them by Asmodee corporate. Supposedly both have no interest in ship games, and that really shows. It is telling that their only two in-house games are about highlighting specific characters, and in interviews both really come alive when talking about games that zoom in and spotlight their favorite characters from IPs they love.

Not surprising, when AMG took over and they didn't reprint any of the OOP ships I figured it was just a matter of time.

I wonder if the community will be able to sustain the game, at least for a bit.

Zero surprise here. Neither game has seen real support in years.

As much as its on AMG, both games feel like they were sent to AMG to die. As great as X-Wing is and as much as I love what they did with 2.0, the first edition just wasn't designed as a forever product and really only lasted as long as it has due to its quality, accessibility and popularity all vastly surpassing expectations.

Ultimately, the game needed to transition to a long term design long before it tried. By the time 2.0 came around there was just far too much product to replace and far far too little iconic new content to produce. Had 2.0 launched with Episode 7 starter or even as far back as Scum and Villainy I think maybe things would be different, but realistically the game had already run out of gas before 2.0 was even announced. It has carried itself a LONG way on an empty tank on sheer inertia.

We started Armada half a year ago so this is very annoying. I'm just hoping they'll produce some last waves of long unavailable product like the rebel fighters.

I got into it early on and remember the huge tournaments (100+ tables) and massive support in London - it was a massive game for so many years.

The move to V2 killed it, literally overnight as they annoyed their fanbase with the need to buy multiple new card packs and released practically nothing new.

Sadly an inevitable end.

Not surprised especially about Armada. I love the game, but it was plagued with problems. For instance, I have been trying off and on to buy a second Arquitens for my Imperials since they were originally released, but they go out of stock quickly, and are scalped for high prices.

Can't say I have ever had the chance to buy a second Gladiator, either.

Such a bummer, seeing as I played the original pre-release demo at GenCon, and loved it immediately.

I have been thinking of using the ships and their bases to play Warfleets from One Page rules.

Once the movies stopped showing big battles, the game had little chance.
Those of us who grew up with the earlier films, we wanted a game like this. A pity the media didn't keep up the right kind of scenes to keep it going.

This is my shocked face.....





It was clear AMG never had any interest in it. How long until they make the same announcement for Legion?

 Easy E wrote:
This is my shocked face.....





It was clear AMG never had any interest in it. How long until they make the same announcement for Legion?

They have a three year roadmap for Legion including resculpting the core set PVC into HIPS, so I sincerely doubt it.

Not a surprise,

AMG didn't want the games (and even if the did they didn't have the staff to deal with them)

Asmodee clearly didn't want the games any more or they'd have paid for the extra dedicated staff AMG would have needed to do anything else with them

 Easy E wrote:
This is my shocked face.....

It was clear AMG never had any interest in it. How long until they make the same announcement for Legion?

I'm actually pretty surprised that Legion wasn't announced right along with X-Wing and Armada.

Such a waste as X-Wing was a big hit.

I was never successful at getting Xwing off the ground, something about ship/Fleet combat just doesn’t click for some people here.

So my Xwing ships ended up being RPG use.
Sad since I enjoyed the game a lot.

A shame, I played X wing a lot back around the lead up to the The Force Awakens release. Since then my interest in anything Star Wars has dropped off immensely.

AMG definitely didn't seem to care for either of these games. They seem more interested in designing games centered around heroic big name characters as opposed to ships and stuff.

I have a bunch of the X-wing and armada minis. i use them with the babylon 5 wars system. it works best for armada scale as it is a fleet battle system. for Xwing scale you have to reduce the fighters range penalties (increasing the effective range) by a factor of about 4 to be the right scale.

In addition to that Mel miniatures over on shapeways has all the X-wing and armada ships and then some, including ships from games, movies and the expanded universe. many of the rules for them exist in the B5 wars system.
I had to have the foot long bellator class SSD for my imperial faction. he also has pieces that make great scenery/objectives/terrain like shipyards, defense platforms, the scarif gate from rogue one etc... all compatible with Xwing/armada bases/stands

rules-
http://b5warsvault.wikidot.com/

Armada scale-
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/mel_miniatures?section=Armada+Ships&s=0
X-wing scale-
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/mel_miniatures?section=1%2F270+Ships&s=0

A couple pics for comparison-the bulk freighter is from mel,



As are the republic dreadnought, imperial police cutters and Corellian gunships

A sad day, but not exactly a huge shock. The writing's been on the wall for Armada from the moment AMG took it over and X-Wing's been in a similar position for at least a year or two.

The internal politics of the Asmodee/FFG/AMG situation definitely didn't help the game. Handing it off to AMG seemed like a weird move, especially when doing so caused a bunch of the developers to leave (probably the plan all along, to cut costs). AMG weren't given any extra support from Asmodee either.

That said, AMG were absolutely shocking custodians of the game. I've seen amateur business run in someone's spare time be more professional. Their communications were comically bad. They literally took two years to update their website to include the new Star Wars games. They announced new rules and upcoming product for X-Wing in hours-long painting streams for MCP. They went against the advice of the established playtesters when making changes to the game and it became something nobody was really asking for. The annoying thing is they put some amount of effort in to making changes, but almost every change was disliked by the established player base. That would be somewhat understandable if there was a push to bring new players in but that simply never happened. Their new points system was broken from the start and continues to be so, at a systemic level. They undid all of the good work FFG did on balance by arrogantly ploughing ahead with a system that was just bad. The fact they didn't even make one last cursory attempt to balance the points before cancelling the game, to maybe at least leave the game in a more solid position at the end is pretty telling.

The game had over 400 players at the last World Championships, just a few months ago. That's more than all the other AMG games combined, I believe. Popularity was not its issue. A lack of understanding from the developers is what killed it, IMO, allied to a terrible production chain and logistics handling that seems amateurish at best.

That said, the community is already pulling together to try to keep things alive. We were already basically running our own tournaments anyway since AMG have produced one Store Championships kits in all the time they've been in charge of the game. What's really frustrating is I believe if AMG had embraced the community instead of shunning them, we could have made their job easier but they always seemed to have this distant, arrogant demeanour about them.

I’m possibly being overly charitable to AMG, but keep in mind they’re a pretty small team, and didn’t actively bid, so far as I can tell, for X-Wing and Armada.

Good couple of years ago they confirmed No New Ships for…Armada, I think?

I suspect it’s less negligence on AMG’s behalf, and more a question of resources. After all, if you’ve say a dozen sculptors and designers producing everything AMG produces, and then tell them “here’s more work, for two existing games, hop to it”, that’s not entirely on AMG, at least not in the beginning. There is of course the question of “could you not have hired more people?”.

Not gonna bothering commenting on what I thought of the two games as frankly that doesn’t matter. Because I still have empathy and sympathy with those invested in the games who now have their bums out the window.

problem X-Wing has, indeed was always going to have is once you have done the fighters and ships people recognise from the films..

then what?

ok can use some of the more obscure stuff from the now obliterated back story

then what?

its got a finite life in terms of new models in a way a more sandboxed sci-fi game doesn't have

but even then its a clever but quite simple system, there are only so many tweaks you can make, no point bringing out a new fighter thats objectively worse than others, and can only "codex creep" it so often

then combined with the way its tied to bits of card which makes "simply" releasing a new edition as a book or two impossible (ditto correcting mistakes on cards, gets a lot harder to fix)

both were good and fun games, heck both still are, but from a commercial perspective they are basically done, they tried the new edition treadmill and just annoyed people

pity but its the way these things go, after a while you are just releasing new paint jobs and new slightly more generic "tournament optimised" models

never got that much for X-Wing here, two starters and a few more fighters from the original three films and left it at that, its perfectly playable. Armada I got a bit more for, but even then I've got enough and saw zero need to get more

not sure where it was meant to go at this point

It has to be based on sales. If most players have everything they want, and no new players are joining due to a lack of new film or TV material to spark interest, there's no money coming in.
And with no money, no development.

Every shop I went into that sold X-Wing (I didn't pay attention to Armada) had maybe 2 of most ships on a racks, with a starter or 2 on the shelf, with a huge ship or 3 (usually old stock).
The plastic dials and damage packs were sparce, and never the ones I wanted at the time.
They could have made plastic versions or accessories, mines, objectives etc, but they didn't. The range rulers are lumpy and, though thematic, were ugly.
even bases never got redone for 2nd ed. Only packs of small and large bases were made.

X-wing should have been so much more. But the sheer number of items needed on the wall may have made stockists avoid stocking it, and the change to 2nd ed really messed things up.

true, also its a game thats playable with a couple of fighters on each side and arguably best with only a couple on each side doesn't need the constant treadmill of buying more

especially when the "pay to win" card mechanic is very easily sidestepped with photocopies or paper records

For anyone seeking to complete collections or what have you, Dear Leader* of the Loot Group has declared all X-Wing and Armada stuff as Loot.

So if you’ve got gaps in your collection or fancy adding more? Might be worth giving the group a look. Link in my sig.

* I.e. Me.

The end of an era.

Sounds like AMG is run by manchildren, on top of being owned by corporate sociopaths, which we already knew.

leopard wrote:
problem X-Wing has, indeed was always going to have is once you have done the fighters and ships people recognise from the films..

then what?

ok can use some of the more obscure stuff from the now obliterated back story

then what?

its got a finite life in terms of new models in a way a more sandboxed sci-fi game doesn't have

TBF Disney spamming SW tv shows and movies is going to continue for a long time, every one has opportunities for new ships. In theory, if new releases are fairly regularly coming out it gives current players something to buy, and might attract new fans to buy some of their favourite ships from the existing range after getting their favourite ship from the latest media.

Yep, the Razor Crest was a recent addition, along with the Gauntlet.

bobthe4th wrote:

leopard wrote:
problem X-Wing has, indeed was always going to have is once you have done the fighters and ships people recognise from the films..

then what?

ok can use some of the more obscure stuff from the now obliterated back story

then what?

its got a finite life in terms of new models in a way a more sandboxed sci-fi game doesn't have

TBF Disney spamming SW tv shows and movies is going to continue for a long time, every one has opportunities for new ships. In theory, if new releases are fairly regularly coming out it gives current players something to buy, and might attract new fans to buy some of their favourite ships from the existing range after getting their favourite ship from the latest media.

new models yes, but ones that are essentially reskins of existing ones or very marginally different, becomes Malibu Stacy's new hat after a while

don't get me wrong I think its a cracking game but there are only so many combinations of stats that are worth putting on the table