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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Are you going to build a list around the grotmas changes?

Some of them, sure.
so far they fall pretty evenly into 3 categories for me - Yes/Maybe/No.

YES
*Necrons - why not? I already own every Necron unit to make whatever combo I want anyways....
*Custodes - this one won't be super useful to me, but I just like the idea of making my lone Telemon not only a character, but the Warlord
*Imp. Agents - ahh, fun with Assasins.
*Deathguard

MAYBE
*Death Watch
*Imperial Knights - I rarely field my Knights as there own force here in 40k. But this adds options, so it'll be considered.
*Chaos Knights - as above, except I have even less dedicated CKs to work with

NO
*AdMech - I don't have an AdMech army atm & I'm not spending time/$ on it just because of this detachment.
*T-Sons - as above. Except with the AM I at least find them interesting & so will eventually build something for them one of these years.
But Thousand Sons just don't do anything for me. The only way I ever see having this force is if I inherit one or come across a beautifully painted one crazy dirt dirt cheap.
*Tyranids - only because all of my Tyranids are currently in deep storage & I don't feel motivated to dig them out
*Dark Angels - no, because my army is pure 3rd Co. I don't have any DW/RW stuff in the force.

ccs wrote:

But Thousand Sons just don't do anything for me. The only way I ever see having this force is if I inherit one or come across a beautifully painted one crazy dirt dirt cheap.

Not too loud, the Tzeentch fangirls are always watching.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Are you going to build a list around the grotmas changes?

Death Guard: No - I am comically anti-Nurgle.
Dark Angels: Maybe? I own enough models to give it a whirl, though many of them aren't built yet.
Tyranids: Probably not - It's wholly reliant upon Warriors, and I don't have nearly enough to make it worthwhile.
Thousand Sons: I'll give it a whirl - it doesn't require anything different from the existing detachment.
AdMech: No - I'm not going start AdMech. Though I'll consider Dark Mech if they make it to 40k.
Necrons: I'll give it a whirl.
Deathwatch: No.
Custodes: I am so tempted to try March of the Dreadnoughts, but it would be SO expensive!
Agents: Abso-fething-lutely!
Imperial Knights: No - see AdMech.
Chaos Knights: I already have all the cultists I need, so I'm gonna try it.

To answer my own question... since I am rejoining this Cult, and starting fresh...

I could build the Golden Kool-Aid Man Adeptus Custodes army. It might be cheaper than a regular army... I still have to do the math.

I love the idea of AdMech mixed in with Knights as this is what my HH30k army is leaning into... but it feels odd that Enginseers are not apart of the list.


I honestly don't know enough about the other armies to make any kind of informed decison.

Waiting for Orks- Hope it won't be last one, but given nature of Grotmas- maybe. That said, hope detachment is all Grot list and bringing back tanks, but doubtful as the Dread Mob can be a Grot army in a pinch.
Deathwatch would be the only Marines faction I ever build, as I've liked the lore and Aesthetics since I bought the Inquisitor book and HUGE 52mm Artemis model when they first came out. (Ack! My bones!!) Plus it's a good way to have more modelling options, as I could have one marine from every chapter I like and/ or make up some. It'd be nice to have only one shelf devoted to an army, not the Orky horde swarm that is 3!

 TheChrispyOne wrote:
Waiting for Orks- Hope it won't be last one, but given nature of Grotmas- maybe. That said, hope detachment is all Grot list and bringing back tanks, but doubtful as the Dread Mob can be a Grot army in a pinch.
Deathwatch would be the only Marines faction I ever build, as I've liked the lore and Aesthetics since I bought the Inquisitor book and HUGE 52mm Artemis model when they first came out. (Ack! My bones!!) Plus it's a good way to have more modelling options, as I could have one marine from every chapter I like and/ or make up some. It'd be nice to have only one shelf devoted to an army, not the Orky horde swarm that is 3!

Since GW is so flakey with them, I've started to make mine an omni-chapter. Just finished Calgar in black with a silver arm and I'm currently working on Helbrecht and Sword Brethren with the same. I'd planned to do some Deathwingwatch but alas, did not manage to snap a Battleforce.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

ccs wrote:

But Thousand Sons just don't do anything for me. The only way I ever see having this force is if I inherit one or come across a beautifully painted one crazy dirt dirt cheap.

Not too loud, the Tzeentch fangirls are always watching.

Well then every now & then they'll spot me running a squad of 10 ancient 1KSon marines from 2e(?) when I put generic CSM on the table.
I'm still not inspired enough to make a full force of them.

Did the math, and to build an all vehicle 2000 pt. AdCust list would cost $1441.00 before tax.

List:

Still working on.an AdMech /Knight list... weird to think a Knight list will have more models than an AdCust one.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Are you going to build a list around the grotmas changes?


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Grey Knights tomorrow!

I'll definitely give Necrons a whirl, I don't have enough vehicles to spam to make it overpowered though so will probably end up with a weaker list compared to sticking with my usual Awakened Dynasty.
If I can figure out a solution for new scale Terminator shoulder pads (and Gravis too, only 2 pads per frame and fixed 10 man squads!), I'll eventually get around to finishing off enough Deathwatch in time for 11th edition.
Waiting impatiently on World Eaters.

Do we have any Grey Knight players?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pmqh3irb/grotmas-calendar-day-10-tis-the-season-for-a-sanctified-killzone

Regular ol Space Marines arines tomorrow.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Do we have any Grey Knight players?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pmqh3irb/grotmas-calendar-day-10-tis-the-season-for-a-sanctified-killzone

Regular ol Space Marines arines tomorrow.

Hmm.
That detachment looks slightly more usefull than my current one.
I think I'll give it a try the next time the GK take the field.

Funny how Necrons stole the Grey Knights deep strike schtick with hypercypt and now Grey Knights stole back from them with their version of Canoptek Court.

ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Do we have any Grey Knight players?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pmqh3irb/grotmas-calendar-day-10-tis-the-season-for-a-sanctified-killzone

Regular ol Space Marines arines tomorrow.

Hmm.
That detachment looks slightly more usefull than my current one.
I think I'll give it a try the next time the GK take the field.

Opinion from GK players elsewhere seems to be that it's not terrible but also not as good as the index. The index has Armor of Contempt and that Mists strat that lets you scoop a unit up to avoid being shot at. This one gives you a little more offense, but you give up some defense and mobility for it.

 Wyldhunt wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Do we have any Grey Knight players?


https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pmqh3irb/grotmas-calendar-day-10-tis-the-season-for-a-sanctified-killzone

Regular ol Space Marines arines tomorrow.

Hmm.
That detachment looks slightly more usefull than my current one.
I think I'll give it a try the next time the GK take the field.

Opinion from GK players elsewhere seems to be that it's not terrible but also not as good as the index. The index has Armor of Contempt and that Mists strat that lets you scoop a unit up to avoid being shot at. This one gives you a little more offense, but you give up some defense and mobility for it.

But, crucially, the new one encourages infantry over baby carriers.

I wonder what the SM will get tomorrow...

Looks like a Librarian focused detachment, which seems really niche given it's basically just a few models worth in the army but the buffs don't look bad surprisingly, just not sure if it's worth losing Gladius buffs given that it forces you to concentrate on 2-3 key unit pieces that can actually bring Librarians to the table (who are also pretty squishy).

Great for Blood Ravens fans though!

Oh no.

I regularly whine about marines getting everything.

I regularly whine about the removal of chosen psychic powers from 10th.

Now GW decides to fix the lack of chosen powers... But only for marines.

melon-fether!

 PenitentJake wrote:
Oh no.

I regularly whine about marines getting everything.

I regularly whine about the removal of chosen psychic powers from 10th.

Now GW decides to fix the lack of chosen powers... But only for marines.

melon-fether!

::Makes the Sign of the Nine::

Just as planned...

 BorderCountess wrote:

 PenitentJake wrote:
Oh no.

I regularly whine about marines getting everything.

I regularly whine about the removal of chosen psychic powers from 10th.

Now GW decides to fix the lack of chosen powers... But only for marines.

melon-fether!

::Makes the Sign of the Nine::

Just as planned...

I think she's up to something, because it's Chaos Space Marines tomorrow.

What do you guys think of the Detachment that's perfect for the Silver Skulls, Tome Keepers, and CS Goto's Blood Ravens?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/x1a44vuq/grotmas-calendar-day-11-the-pen-is-mightier-than-the-power-sword

I can't wait to use it myself!

i'm not even much of a space marines fan, but librarians are the most exciting unit from the army, so i'm definitely a fan of this detachment, even if only in theoretical terms

This is the kind of thing I was expecting from the Grotmas detachments, fun fluffy detachments that you can use in fun games that focus on some niche units or builds, not meta destroying power detachments (which it looks like Necron will be).

I really would LOVE to see a detachment for CSM that does something just like this for psykers. Also CSM have more access to psykers (with the ability to add a psyker to Legionaries just in the squad) so I think it would have more impact, but would still be a cool and fluffy detachment. Also this is just a better detachment than the TS got. : (

BTW, re-looked at the detachment and it doesn't say you can't reuse a discipline, so that is cool, you can just stay in telepathy if you like.

The librarian one is really neat! Lots of flavor. Nothing seems over the top, but it also seems useful enough to actually play it without feeling like you're nerfing yourself.

I'd still probably prefer we just bring back powers as optional wargear (probably with a points cost), but this is a pretty cool bandaid.

Would love for Thousand Sons to get something similar.

Anyone else look at the Grotmas Balance Datasheets...

Looks like the Sisters got coal for Grotmas.

But Armigers got a 10 point reduction and an Allied Vindicare Assassin dropped to 100 points, so I'm happy.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Anyone else look at the Grotmas Balance Datasheets...

Looks like the Sisters got coal for Grotmas.

But Armigers got a 10 point reduction and an Allied Vindicare Assassin dropped to 100 points, so I'm happy.

The best part is how drukhari grotesques went up 10 points because a GW rules guy lost to a list that fielded them at an event.

 Wyldhunt wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Anyone else look at the Grotmas Balance Datasheets...

Looks like the Sisters got coal for Grotmas.

But Armigers got a 10 point reduction and an Allied Vindicare Assassin dropped to 100 points, so I'm happy.

The best part is how drukhari grotesques went up 10 points because a GW rules guy lost to a list that fielded them at an event.

No. These are finely balanced updates that... yeah... I can't even push that much BS.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Anyone else look at the Grotmas Balance Datasheets...

Looks like the Sisters got coal for Grotmas.

But Armigers got a 10 point reduction and an Allied Vindicare Assassin dropped to 100 points, so I'm happy.

I'm mostly giggling at how the only change for agents was a (universal) nerf.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Anyone else look at the Grotmas Balance Datasheets...

Looks like the Sisters got coal for Grotmas.

But Armigers got a 10 point reduction and an Allied Vindicare Assassin dropped to 100 points, so I'm happy.

At a tournament I was at this past weekend, a group of us were discussing how powerful Miracle dice were, as well as the Bringers of Flame - which was my Round 3 game. This feels timely.

The allied Vindicare is 125 - it had been 150.

And... ::slow clap:: ...for increasing the points on a unit they don't even sell models for. Peak GW.

 BorderCountess wrote:


And... ::slow clap:: ...for increasing the points on a unit they don't even sell models for. Peak GW.

To paraphrase Jack Skelington..."What unit is this?"

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:


And... ::slow clap:: ...for increasing the points on a unit they don't even sell models for. Peak GW.

To paraphrase Jack Skelington..."What unit is this?"

The Grotesques. GW's only ever made one model for them: they were ugly and Finecast, so nobody bought them. They're no longer on sale, and they're right at the top of the list of things that need a new kit with their codex.