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One of my friends introduced me to a tournament where you must bring the worst 1,000 point, but legal, 40k army.

Here's the kicker. You won't be playing your army. Each army is randomly assigned to a different player in the tournament.

There are three prizes. 1 for the winner, one for the designer of the winner's army. And a third prize for the "Worst Army " as decided by popular vote.

So, would you play in this tournament, and if so, what would you bring?

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
One of my friends introduced me to a tournament where you must bring the worst 1,000 point, but legal, 40k army.

Here's the kicker. You won't be playing your army. Each army is randomly assigned to a different player in the tournament.

There are three prizes. 1 for the winner, one for the designer of the winner's army. And a third prize for the "Worst Army " as decided by popular vote.

So, would you play in this tournament, and if so, what would you bring?

First off, has to have a point MINIMUM too. Or 1,000 points is your minimum, rather than maximum.

Otherwise, a technically legal force is:

60-Nexos

And that's it.

That being said, lemme try to think of a bad list that meets the 1,000 point minimum.

Actual bad list, 1,000 points exactly right now:

Yeah, sorry, you must spend as close to 1,000 points as you can.

Also, Legendary models are allowed.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Yeah, sorry, you must spend as close to 1,000 points as you can.

Also, Legendary models are allowed.

Oh, we can use Legends? That makes this MUCH easier.



Edit: 1,950 points.

And it SUCKS.

Edit: Lemme make it worse, and actually 2,000.



2,005 points!

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Yeah, sorry, you must spend as close to 1,000 points as you can.

Also, Legendary models are allowed.

Are there other limitations on what you must bring to ensure the list is at least somewhat viable for play (ie, rules to prevent the list being a non-starter from a mechanical standpoint, like "no bringing 1k points of units that have to start off-map so your opponent automatically wins because you're technically tabled at the top of turn 1"), or is "1k pts, legends allowed" basically it?

 waefre_1 wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Yeah, sorry, you must spend as close to 1,000 points as you can.

Also, Legendary models are allowed.

Are there other limitations on what you must bring to ensure the list is at least somewhat viable for play (ie, rules to prevent the list being a non-starter from a mechanical standpoint, like "no bringing 1k points of units that have to start off-map so your opponent automatically wins because you're technically tabled at the top of turn 1"), or is "1k pts, legends allowed" basically it?

Is there a rule that says if at any point you have no models on the table, you automatically lose?

I didn't think there was one.

Edit: I just realized I can make it more expensive.



3,825 points.

Can we add, "without being immediately suicidal" as a stipulation?

A pair of skyshield landing pads topped with a pair of battle sanctums each ... might have enough points left to field a technically legal list?

Or a ring of battle sanctums surrounding a void shield generator, guarded by crusaders.

Full on 'armies on parade' style setup.

The trick is you still have to build it and show up to the event.

But you can field your close combat Ethreal heavy Tau force of your dreams.

For many armies, thanks to the death of force org, maxing out the number of characters would result in a nearly useless list. Imperial Guard, for example: 3x Cadian Castellans, 3x Cadian Command Squads, 3x Platoon Command Squads, 3x Ministorum Priests, 3x Primaris Psykers, 3x Enginseers. Total = 930 pts, and you fill the gap with a lone infantry squad. A bunch of officers who are mediocre in combat and have hardly any squads on which to spend their orders or confer their datasheet abilities.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
The trick is you still have to build it and show up to the event.

Yeah, coming up with an army list made solely of bad units isn't too hard, but you're less likely to have bad units in the first place (unless they're situationally useful, used to be better in a previous edition, or were an unwanted part of a boxed set).


EDIT: Do you set the detachment ability when building the list, or can the player choose? Because if the former, one could easily build a list that does not match the detachment ability at all (e.g. all-infantry list with a vehicle-oriented detachment ability).

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I'll have to ask about the detachment bit. I never thought to ask.

Everyone is rushing right into the self destructive bad lists, but there's another way to "cheat" the idea for a prize. The guy who designs and builds the winning army gets one of those three prizes. So build a good army, call it bad, and profit.

I know this isn't 40k related, but in the old days of WFB you could have a snotling army. I wrote a list out one time and even with maxing your non-core list choices, i still ended up with 125 bases of snotlings in a 2000 pt list. Never made it or course, but it would have been fun to do.

I think "haha all transports" undermines the point of the exercise.

I'd probably make them play something like:

1 Captain with Jump Pack: 85 points
2 Chaplains with Jump Packs: 150 points
3 10 man Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs 480 points.

1 Captain in Phobos Armour: 70 Points
1 Librarian in Phobos Amour: 70 Points
1 Lieutenant In Phobos Armour: 55 Points
3 10 man Reiver Squads: 480 points.

3 Ballistus Dreadnoughts: 390 points.

1 Repulsor Executioner: 220 points.
(Feels a bit cheap as it can't transport anything, but... meh.)

Total 2k points. Its an army that sort of covers some bases - but I think it would be kind of trash on the tabletop.

I guess if you wanted 1k, just have 3*10 man reivers, 2*10 man assault intercessors and shove in 3 characters to get to the final 200 points. I guess you'd beat people who are literally toothless but its so inflexible.

What about:

Orks: Green Tide
Stompa: 800
Skyshield Landing Pad: 125
Wurrboy + Belligerence: 75

And then you just lose on scenario.

My old gaming group did this back in 4th edition. I can't remember if they were using the 3.5 Chaos codex or 4th at that time.

In this tournament your army stayed with you, but you traded with your opponent before each round, so you'd always be playing against your own army

Winner brought a daemon heavy army with no icons to be able to summon them. So it was effectively a 400 point force in a 2000 point game.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 waefre_1 wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Yeah, sorry, you must spend as close to 1,000 points as you can.

Also, Legendary models are allowed.

Are there other limitations on what you must bring to ensure the list is at least somewhat viable for play (ie, rules to prevent the list being a non-starter from a mechanical standpoint, like "no bringing 1k points of units that have to start off-map so your opponent automatically wins because you're technically tabled at the top of turn 1"), or is "1k pts, legends allowed" basically it?

Is there a rule that says if at any point you have no models on the table, you automatically lose?

I didn't think there was one...

I couldn't say, but I can't imagine that GW has written 10e so tightly that there isn't a way to build a technically legal but game-mechanically nonfunctional list (ie, a list with no units that can take or hold objectives in a game mode that scores solely off of objectives - the first example came to mind was that all-Outflanking White Scars vs. Kroot Infiltrator list from way back in the day, thus the "autotabled" reference).

I mean, Marines can take over 3,500 points of Dedicated Transports.
If your only characters are Terminators, then every DT dies due to loneliness immediately.

Maybe have a line about having battleline units, or at least 3 squads?

All character armies will be the go to as guardsman says.

Just looking at the Genestealer cult army list, you can make almost a 1000pts by taking 3x each of the crappiest characters they have, with maybe 6x5 man acolyte squads, all of which will melt in a stiff breeze.


Depending on how strict to trying to make ana actual army you get, you might even require a minimum of 3 full sized squads so people aren't just MSUing trash to bulk it out.

In addition to Hellebore's comment, I'd also say you need to take all upgrades available to a unit. Makes it a bit more challenging and interesting, and it avoids just plopping down blobs of chaff without the actually scary special weapons they'd normally have.

That said, while the concept sounds like a ton of fun, I'd never play in a tournament like this. I really can't imagine letting some rando at a tournament play with my models. I've spent a rather silly amount of time painting them, and I really don't want to risk any damage to them by handing them off to someone else.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Winner brought a daemon heavy army with no icons to be able to summon them. So it was effectively a 400 point force in a 2000 point game.

Would have wrecked an apoc-era Grey Knights redeemer force though.

(could not deploy if the opponent had no greater daemons, and if all chaos models were removed then the GK army immediately became the chaos players army - the GKs only winning condition was to ... not win)

For 1,000 points, of an army you actually need to build, that doesn't suicide itself with unplayable units, just do Death Guard - 1 of every non-daemon character and a rhino is 980, slap a useless enhancement on the weakest character and call it a day.

Looks good, plays bad.

 waefre_1 wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Yeah, sorry, you must spend as close to 1,000 points as you can.

Also, Legendary models are allowed.

Are there other limitations on what you must bring to ensure the list is at least somewhat viable for play (ie, rules to prevent the list being a non-starter from a mechanical standpoint, like "no bringing 1k points of units that have to start off-map so your opponent automatically wins because you're technically tabled at the top of turn 1"), or is "1k pts, legends allowed" basically it?

This used to be a thing, but not anymore. You can play oops all Deep Strike if you can finagle it with something like Drop Pods.


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Tyel wrote:
I think "haha all transports" undermines the point of the exercise.

I'd probably make them play something like:

1 Captain with Jump Pack: 85 points
2 Chaplains with Jump Packs: 150 points
3 10 man Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs 480 points.

1 Captain in Phobos Armour: 70 Points
1 Librarian in Phobos Amour: 70 Points
1 Lieutenant In Phobos Armour: 55 Points
3 10 man Reiver Squads: 480 points.

3 Ballistus Dreadnoughts: 390 points.

1 Repulsor Executioner: 220 points.
(Feels a bit cheap as it can't transport anything, but... meh.)

Total 2k points. Its an army that sort of covers some bases - but I think it would be kind of trash on the tabletop.

I guess if you wanted 1k, just have 3*10 man reivers, 2*10 man assault intercessors and shove in 3 characters to get to the final 200 points. I guess you'd beat people who are literally toothless but its so inflexible.

Probably better to run the Reiver Lt. over the Phobos one as the Phobos one is actually pretty decent with Deep Striking Reivers since you can move D6 after Deep Striking and still charge. And it your running it in Blood Angels, it's actually legitimately good.

Ok, I checked the rules, must have 1 battleline unit, you select the Detachment, Enhancements, and Warlord when you turn in your list before the tournament begins.

Here's my 1000 point Tau force.

Detachment: Kanyon(Patient Hunter)

Warlord: Ethereal 50 (2 Shield Drones)
Enhancement: Precision of the Patient Hunter +15

Ethereal 50 (2 Shield Drones)
Enhancement: Solid Image Projection Unit +30

Ethereal 50 (2 Shield Drones)

Aun'shi 50

Aun'va 65 (2 Ethereal Guards)

Darkstrider 60

Drone Sentry Turret (Twin Fusion blaster 12" Range) 50

Drone Sentry Turret (Twin Fusion blaster 12" Range) 50

Drone Sentry Turret (Twin Fusion blaster 12" Range) 50

Pathfinder Team (Shas’ui with 2 Shield Drones) 90

Pathfinder Team (Shas’ui with 2 Shield Drones) 90

Pathfinder Team (Shas’ui with 2 Shield Drones) 90

Tactical Drones [x12] 210

What do you think?

And people are okey with strangers handling their models? Brave.

Karol wrote:
And people are okey with strangers handling their models? Brave.

I think if this was a serious, everything must be painted tournament it might be different, but I think everyone who is participating is going to be careful with each other's toys.