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I keep looking at the Grey Knights. I like their look, their rules, and the way they play... and with a few conversions I know I can fix the Dreadknights...

But, I fear the second I invest in them, they will get new models and my army will look really sad by comparison.

Anyone have any ideas, or rumors about when they might get some new models?

It's a time already, they need refresh for too long. I thought about investing a bit in them too, but this post is exactly why I didn't

Rumour says 11th

They're on the raodmap, so maybe they'll get something this year.

 BorderCountess wrote:
They're on the raodmap, so maybe they'll get something this year.

Supposedly an additional sprue for the dreadknight

Honestly I think they are years off from a range refresh and you should just go ahead with the army if you want it.

The current models are perfectly nice (especially the terminators) if perhaps a little small compared to primaris marines.

I don't see GW investing the time and money in resculpting them as its not really going to be a sound investment.

GK are a small elite army with a small player base, they just wont sell enough remade kits.
Far better to make some new units that will sell better.

Added to that, in the fluff the GK haven't been primarisied (obviously they could change that).

If you invest in Grey Knights now, your army will almost certainly be largely invalidated when the range gets re-done in Super Coolaid Primaris Scale.

 WisdomLS wrote:
Honestly I think they are years off from a range refresh and you should just go ahead with the army if you want it.

The current models are perfectly nice (especially the terminators) if perhaps a little small compared to primaris marines.

I don't see GW investing the time and money in resculpting them as its not really going to be a sound investment.

GK are a small elite army with a small player base, they just wont sell enough remade kits.
Far better to make some new units that will sell better.

Added to that, in the fluff the GK haven't been primarisied (obviously they could change that).

It's a sound investment for them, they were sculpted what, 15 years ago nearly and still selling. It's silly to think that refreshing the range couldn't then sell for another 15 and earn profit.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
If you invest in Grey Knights now, your army will almost certainly be largely invalidated when the range gets re-done in Super Coolaid Primaris Scale.

Well, that's what GW would like you to think.

Truth is? Old models continue to work just fine.
(You may/may not have to rebase them now & then)

ccs wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
If you invest in Grey Knights now, your army will almost certainly be largely invalidated when the range gets re-done in Super Coolaid Primaris Scale.

Well, that's what GW would like you to think.

Truth is? Old models continue to work just fine.
(You may/may not have to rebase them now & then)

Yeah great. I'm sure all of the units won't have their equipment 'updated'.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

ccs wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
If you invest in Grey Knights now, your army will almost certainly be largely invalidated when the range gets re-done in Super Coolaid Primaris Scale.

Well, that's what GW would like you to think.

Truth is? Old models continue to work just fine.
(You may/may not have to rebase them now & then)

Yeah great. I'm sure all of the units won't have their equipment 'updated'.

(shrugs)
well, my GK Termies I bought back in RRT/2e days still have their halberds/greatswords & bolters.
Ok, nowdays I call those "Nemisis Force Weapons" & Stormbolters (you'll just have to use your imagination as to how that tiny 1 barreled gun built into the hilt of my "NFW" sword shoots as much as a modern looking Stormbolter....
But I assure you the models still work.

Yeah, I mean, chances are the models get actually worse when updated, seeing you now get a whole load of upgrades that you can put on any Marine.
It's likely you'll either get a split between CC and gun- guys, or some stupid rules about how to equip your models, each having exactly one way to build and an option for a helmet.

Yeah, I feel like it's just a matter of time. Castellan Crowe already got redone in a larger scale and proportion to primaris marines and they've already rescaled regular terminators as well, so I don't see it as that surprising if they redo the range to be in scale with the rest of the primaris even if they aren't primaris themselves. The main fear would be removing the modularity between all the different units in one box, given that GW has steadily moved away from combo box units now, so I could see them forcing people to buy separate boxes for each unit rather than 1 box building into 3-4 units like it is now.

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah, I feel like it's just a matter of time. Castellan Crowe already got redone in a larger scale and proportion to primaris marines and they've already rescaled regular terminators as well, so I don't see it as that surprising if they redo the range to be in scale with the rest of the primaris even if they aren't primaris themselves.

When that eventually happens I like to imagine my ancient RT era termies saying something along the lines of "Did you see the size of those new recruits?"

ccs wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah, I feel like it's just a matter of time. Castellan Crowe already got redone in a larger scale and proportion to primaris marines and they've already rescaled regular terminators as well, so I don't see it as that surprising if they redo the range to be in scale with the rest of the primaris even if they aren't primaris themselves.

When that eventually happens I like to imagine my ancient RT era termies saying something along the lines of "Did you see the size of those new recruits?"

Scale creep is a heck of a thing. RT termis are tiny these days in comparison to pretty much everything.

I was in the same boat but just pulled the trigger on 3 combat patrols because I want to run the grotmas detachment. I’ve elevated the marines on cork so they don’t look so small. Goes a long way toward them not looking out of place.

 bullyboy wrote:
I was in the same boat but just pulled the trigger on 3 combat patrols because I want to run the grotmas detachment. I’ve elevated the marines on cork so they don’t look so small. Goes a long way toward them not looking out of place.

Is it any good?

My honest opinion, I'd say you could thread the needle and make a Grey Knights force now, that won't look outdated later, if you think ahead.

The Dreadknight is likely going to be kept as is. There is a new update sprue incoming, but it should be fine.

GK are very likely to keep some kind of "tactical squad" similar to what they have now in their Strike Squads. The models do look a bit small, but there is a workaround. Heresy Marines are bigger, and still very modular, and most importantly go together in the same way the current GK set does. I think that the Mk6 armor, with current GK heads and weapons, would be fine. If GK stay as Firstborn marines, you're all set. If they upgrade to Primaris, well, the Mk6 marines are a tad larger, so they wouldn't be unbelievable as Primaris. With the HH CCW box out now you could get a ton of power swords and spears either by buying boxes, or do a massive bits-order. All your missing are Storm bolters, which can easily be converted.

Also, here is a pic of my converted Dreadknight I did years ago. I've posted it a few times before, but what the heck.

I started GK recently and upgraded both Strikers and Terminators with these legs:
https://archiesforge.co.uk/collections/demon-hunters

They are similar in size to the current, upscaled Chaos Space Marines and look absolutely fine on the tabletop.

For the Dreadknight there are several kitbashes or STL flying around that can work.
I used this one: