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2025/04/17 16:28:09
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
2025/04/17 17:40:09
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Finally it all makes sense. Marvel starts humbly with Iron Man and then slowly builds up the MCU until they have clout and money to get back lost IP rights from Fox and now finally the culmination of all that time and money comes together and they can remake Rise of the Silver Surfer.
It seems so obvious in hindsight.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2025/04/18 07:54:28
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ahtman wrote: Finally it all makes sense. Marvel starts humbly with Iron Man and then slowly builds up the MCU until they have clout and money to get back lost IP rights from Fox and now finally the culmination of all that time and money comes together and they can remake Rise of the Silver Surfer.
It seems so obvious in hindsight.
Now if they'd just buy out Sony....
2025/04/18 10:03:41
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
2025/04/18 18:10:27
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
It does seem like a weird rehash of Rise of the Silver Surfer, just without Doctor Doom. It also doesn't help that I've seen screenshots of the two silver surfers side by side from the two movies and I can't believe it's been almost 20 years since the last F4 movie from Fox, but the 2025 one looks pretty much worse than the 2007 one.
Can't attach the pic comparison for some reason, but it's covered in the top comment and the post for this reddit page:
Having just rewatched the original FF movies a few weeks ago, the 2007 Silver Surfer did not hold up as well as those screenshots would have you believe.
They've cherry picked a static shot of 2007, and dynamically lit shots from the trailer. The new surfer looks fine in the actual trailer itself.
2025/04/18 23:58:49
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It’s clear they don’t care about the fans, and only satisfying an agenda.
What a way to ruin one of my favourite characters from Marvel.
And is Sue Storm the leader of the FF, or Reed? The trailers make it seem like it’s girl boss time again.
This is getting so tired. I had high hopes and this trailer just made it another ‘meh’.
2025/04/19 00:01:50
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ghool wrote: Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It’s clear they don’t care about the fans, and only satisfying an agenda.
What a way to ruin one of my favourite characters from Marvel.
And is Sue Storm the leader of the FF, or Reed? The trailers make it seem like it’s girl boss time again.
This is getting so tired. I had high hopes and this trailer just made it another ‘meh’.
Big fan of Shalla-Bal, are you? Personally I wasn’t aware of that particular Herald, but the MCU does like using lesser known comic characters.
2025/04/19 00:05:20
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ghool wrote: Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It's not a gender swap. Shalla-Bal is a distinct character from Norrin Radd and dates back to 1968.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/04/19 01:46:45
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ghool wrote: Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It's not a gender swap. Shalla-Bal is a distinct character from Norrin Radd and dates back to 1968.
Why does everyone assume I haven’t read comics for over 40 years?
I know. How would the Surfer be one of my favourite characters if I didn’t know about Shalla-Bal?
But if you are going to tap three of the best issues of the FF of all time, why are they using the alternate universe garbage and not sticking to the material you’re basing it on?
Like the atrocity that was the Wheel of Time, this movie does not appear to be made for the true fans…
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2025/04/19 04:52:38
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
But if you are going to tap three of the best issues of the FF of all time, why are they using the alternate universe garbage and not sticking to the material you’re basing it on?
Because they needed to make it distinct from Rise of the Silver Surfer, and having a different surfer is a really easy way to do that, and because they needed to find a way to wedge the FF into the existing MCU, and going with an alternate universe version likewise gives them an easy way of doing that.
It's not a gender swap for no reason, it's just using a different character in a different setting.
2025/04/19 15:53:02
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
But if you are going to tap three of the best issues of the FF of all time, why are they using the alternate universe garbage and not sticking to the material you’re basing it on?
Because they needed to make it distinct from Rise of the Silver Surfer, and having a different surfer is a really easy way to do that, and because they needed to find a way to wedge the FF into the existing MCU, and going with an alternate universe version likewise gives them an easy way of doing that.
It's not a gender swap for no reason, it's just using a different character in a different setting.
All they had to do to differentiate the new FF from the 2007 version was make it an actually good movie.
And if they really wanted to use a female Herald, whats wrong with using Nova?
That’s where I have issue wth gender swaps - they think that by taking an already existing fan favourite and gender swapping them, all of a sudden they’ll have an equally good and likeable character.
That’s not how you win fans over, because you’re taking their beloved icons and turning them into something that Disney thinks will make money when all it does is satisfy their ideological agenda.
It’s a creatively bankrupt way of trying to introduce new characters.
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2025/04/19 20:16:54
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ghool wrote: Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It's not a gender swap. Shalla-Bal is a distinct character from Norrin Radd and dates back to 1968.
Why does everyone assume I haven’t read comics for over 40 years? I know. How would the Surfer be one of my favourite characters if I didn’t know about Shalla-Bal?
But if you are going to tap three of the best issues of the FF of all time, why are they using the alternate universe garbage and not sticking to the material you’re basing it on?
Like the atrocity that was the Wheel of Time, this movie does not appear to be made for the true fans…
The running theory that makes a lot of sense is that the mainline MCU universe has no fantastic four or Dr Doom. That is kind of the point of the sacred timeline. As He Who Remains built the sacred timeline to prevent his own birth and thus an infinite amount of himself coming out of the woodworks to inevitably start a multiversal war. HWR/Kang is a descendant of the Richards bloodline (and possibly also Dooms). So the best way to prevent his own future birth is to wipe out the whole bloodlines.
It ONLY makes sense that the FF and Dr Doom are coming from an alternate reality. And in that alternate reality Shalla Ball became the surfer instead. Which is also just something she has done in the past of the comics.
Then you get the idea that we are leading to secret wars/battleworld. Where these people can mix with the others and inhabit whatever new universe comes out the other side along with everyone else. Where the new universes surfer is actually Norrin. Where Doom isn't a Tony Stark variant or some gak (that Doom will get defeated). Where the mutants have always existed.
Like it or not, thats the corner they wrote themselves into with this story arc to introduce these people to the MCU.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2025/04/19 20:21:46
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/04/19 22:04:21
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ghool wrote: All they had to do to differentiate the new FF from the 2007 version was make it an actually good movie.
Not simply recycling previously used characters is one of the ways to stop audiences from turning off before they even see it. They need to offer something that audiences haven't already seen, and a twist on a familiar character is one way of doing that.
And if they really wanted to use a female Herald, whats wrong with using Nova?
Because it's a multiverse story set in a different universe, and so they chose to go with a female surfer instead as a clear visual distinction from the previous FF's universe.
That’s where I have issue wth gender swaps - they think that by taking an already existing fan favourite and gender swapping them, all of a sudden they’ll have an equally good and likeable character.
Once again, this isn't something they've created for this movie. They haven't gender-swapped Norrin Radd, they've adapted another character who has existed for 60 years in the comics.
And that's why all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth going on all over the internet over gender swapping is so absurd. This isn't a new phenomenon ... the comics publishers have been introducing alternate universe versions or gender swapped versions of existing characters for just about as long as they've been making comics.
So it's a little difficult to take these sorts of complaints as a genuine reaction from fans.
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2025/04/20 00:02:36
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
I kind of agree with the video above too. They laid the groundwork for the Earth X Celestial/Galactus dynamic. That planet cracking DOES look like a celestial being born. And Earth X is the story where Shalla Baal was also a Silver Surfer.
I am not saying that this FF movie is the Earth X universe. But it very well might be taking it's ques from that book for why Shalla is the Surfer and what makes the planet suitable for Galactus.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2025/04/20 00:21:46
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Have any of the MCU films been completely accurate to the story lines they got the names from? I can't think of any and yet they still generally are well received, sometimes even by comic fans!
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2025/04/20 00:25:46
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
DC/Marvel Comics have been re-inventing the same characters and stories forever. Even the attempt to bring it all together with the Multiverse still has loads of re-imaginings and reboots and such.
It's one of the few times where Hollywood can't actually get it wrong because re-interpreting the material is basically what the original source material - the comics - have already been doing.
Ghool wrote: Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It’s clear they don’t care about the fans, and only satisfying an agenda.
What a way to ruin one of my favourite characters from Marvel.
You haven't read Earth X, have you?
2025/04/20 19:58:22
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Ghool wrote: Yay yet another gender swap for no reason.
It’s clear they don’t care about the fans, and only satisfying an agenda.
What a way to ruin one of my favourite characters from Marvel.
You haven't read Earth X, have you?
You must have missed the comment where I’ve been reading Marvel comics for over 40 years.
What I have missed is the dreck they’ve been pushing out for the past 7 years.
I’m done here. It feels like I’m not allowed to have an opinion.
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