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2025/04/29 09:10:50
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Origin movies in general tend to struggle for similar reasons.
Having rewatched the first two FF movies with my daughters just recently, they're not terrible (although despite the Origin Movie Handicap, the first one is still a much more enjoyable movie than Rise of the Silver Surfer) and the girls enjoyed them... so that would seem to be mission accomplished, really.
It's disappointing that they took RotSS's failure as an excuse to reboot the franchise instead of just making a better sequel, because the original cast was great ... they just needed a better movie to work with.
2025/04/29 10:05:05
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
That's the problem with trying to do origin stories for things like Fantastic 4 or Xmen. As soon as you try to squish multiple origin stories into a single film it starts to break apart. There just isn't enough time in 2 hours or less to give each character their own arc; their own development and growth - esp if you also want to give a "Big bad" their development and threat at the end and all too.
It doesn't help thta the films also want BIG events to happen whilst if you look at proper origin stories the early challenges are often way way less.
Even solo superheroes have this problem. Batman shouldn't be taking on a supervillain who has a plan to conquer the whole city in one night; he should be taking on someone after a diamond in a mansion or a bank heist or such.
Hopefully this is going the Spider-Man Homecoming route. As in “oh sod it, the audience will know where they got their powers from”, and just crack on with an interesting tale.
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The Incredible Hulk did it best, by cramming the origin story into the opening credits for the sake of the 7 people who went to see a Hulk movie without knowing what his story was, and then just getting on with it.
2025/04/29 12:46:27
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Thor also did well. He didn’t become a god, he was born one. His journey is learning self discipline and wisdom enough to rule. Kinda like Iron Man, less about learning to use your new powers, much more learning to use them responsibly.
Which is a common Marvel theme, and why most of the early villains were Evil Twin types. Yes it became tropey and some variety wouldn’t have gone amiss. But they do serve to show our heroes aren’t powerful because they’ve these amazing toys or abilities, but because they use them responsibly, compared to “well, I’m going to let this go immediately to my head, bow down worms *evil cackle*”
Which, of course for Cap and Tony? Sets up a very interesting dynamic, as they clash on what responsible looks like.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Hopefully this is going the Spider-Man Homecoming route. As in “oh sod it, the audience will know where they got their powers from”, and just crack on with an interesting tale.
While its not guaranteed to be in the final film, in the trailer you can hear a little news clip that briefly describes the event. I suspect that's how they'll handle it.
The 2015 film is also bad but idk. I expected it to be badder? I'd never seen it before but remembered its disastrous release and what I got was a profoundly bad movie, but not an epically bad move. Kind of the same as the other two though. XD
It's honestly the worst kind of bad. It's just boring. It's obviously been hacked to bits in editing but it's hard to get the feeling that what was there before was any better. It's just a movie that thinks it has much bigger ideas than it really has and makes a mess of trying to cram them into the FF archetypes.
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2025/04/29 15:06:34
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/04 19:14:18
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Official Trailer
Grimskul wrote: I see that Disney is trying to do something similar with the Deadpool/Wolverine popcorn holder, somehow I think this won't be as popular though.
Though with the way the plastic looks and the hole placement, I'm sure people will still find a way to make a fleshlight parody of this online.
Posted by Ryan Reynolds a year ago, and you can find other videos of the popcorn bucket and the Deadpool cup from when the film was released...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/16 16:47:28
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
I've seen worse Tickets on Sale trailers as this one is pretty decent IMHO...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/17 19:01:45
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/17 21:45:01
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
Ghaz wrote: Straight from the cover of Fantastic Four #1...
It’s a good thing comic book film viewers don’t appear to know the concept of embarrassment because I’m feeling enough for all of us after watching this clip.
2025/06/19 00:34:45
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
Ghaz wrote: Straight from the cover of Fantastic Four #1...
It’s a good thing comic book film viewers don’t appear to know the concept of embarrassment because I’m feeling enough for all of us after watching this clip.
Did you expect a Little Caesar's commercial to have effects that you'd only see in a Hollywood tentpole film?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/19 14:48:31
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/19 16:30:43
Subject: Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
Ahtman wrote: I gotta admit Quatro Fantasticos has a nice ring to it.
Definitely sounds better than how they tried setting it up the team name in the Michael B Jordan version of the Fantastic Four:
The memes that started off this never gets old lol.
I forgot how wonderful horrible that movie was. I was going to put a snarky, "at least..." but I can't find anything worth watching in that train wreck.
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
(I wish they could do a Superman without Lex Luthor.. )
Man of Steel?
Wasn't Man of Steel the one where they tried ot squish the original 2 superman classics into 1 film?
Or was it the one with Batman who got the bright idea to fight superman fist-to-fist before giving up because their mothers happened to share the same name?
Honestly its like how most Batman ends up involving or focusing on Joker - a lot of the films have become very 1 dimensional in how they portray their superheroes. Partly because they keep wanting to go straight from origin story to arch nemesis. Leaving no time for regular crime; criminals or the legion (most have) of other villains and plots.
(I wish they could do a Superman without Lex Luthor.. )
Man of Steel?
Wasn't Man of Steel the one where they tried ot squish the original 2 superman classics into 1 film?
Or was it the one with Batman who got the bright idea to fight superman fist-to-fist before giving up because their mothers happened to share the same name?
Man of Steel.
2025/06/21 21:21:28
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - Tickets on Sale Now! Trailer
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/27 18:59:32
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - The Trailer After the Final Trailer
Marvel seems to be starting with their daily TV spots already...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2025/06/27 20:21:31
Subject: Re:Fantastic Four: First Steps - The Trailer After the Final Trailer
Looks like a much needed fresh start for the MCU, and I enjoyed the two 00s movies. So long as there isn't anything else on at the time I'll go and see it.
