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Maybe it's the paint job, but those new Thousand Sons bots just look... boring.

 BorderCountess wrote:
Maybe it's the paint job, but those new Thousand Sons bots just look... boring.

Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

But guys! Of course GW aren't going to release Cathay yet, because they're focusing on the Old World and the Empire civil war and... oh.
~RECALIBRATING~
But guys! Of course GW are going to release Cathay, because they said they would before Old World launched!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's one of the worst previews they've ever put out.

With takes as divorced from reality as this, I'd advise a career in politics - assuming you're talking about the event as a whole, anyway.

Three out of the four games got a good-to-great preview, and even AOS got confirmation of a new scenario pack and four new Spearheads. I'd argue the event where they just confirmed the Christmas Battleforces was worse than this one for AOS, at a minimum.

The Cathy troops and leaders look incredible. And then they ruin it all with the paper latern........

Space Wolves leaders look awesome and so does the Tyranid Kill Team. Can see that selling out straight away just for the terrain.

The 1kSons bots look like they took Khayons plundering to heart and decided to go too far.

It was an impressive turn out for the expected games.

I must say that it's good to see at least one GW game offering new content where solo-cooperative play is concerned. Coupled with it's "bugs'n'borg" theme, the Kill Team set is probably going to be an impulse purchase.

Knights are up next! Hooray! Sound the warhorns!

Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Hopefully they will revitalize older WHFB models in the future. Maybe 2nd edition?
There are some models for very iconic factions in several need of an update. If they were able to release such an awesome range for a new faction, maybe they will also show some love for the older ones?

Fingers crossed.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Old World marketing started with Cathay and Kislev - GW pretty much HAD to do them. When the choice came to push out old models and armies as well GW clearly shifted gears to put the older armies first and steadily bring out more and more until the totally brand new ones came at the end. Mine the mine for nostalgia and past models then hit them with new. I fully expect after Kislev that we will start to see either a 2.0 or update edition where we begin to get replacement new models for the other armies. Just like every other main-studio game that GW operates.

 InfernalMiniatures wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Hopefully they will revitalize older WHFB models in the future. Maybe 2nd edition?
There are some models for very iconic factions in several need of an update. If they were able to release such an awesome range for a new faction, maybe they will also show some love for the older ones?

Fingers crossed.

I guess it's contingent on the succes of the Cathay release. And I'm not too worried, cause I'm pretty sure it will be a huge succes.The range is beautiful, and it's probably gonna be a huge hit in the asian market (which is growing fast IIRC)


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 Overread wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Probably an unpopular opinion, but while Cathay are cool, I would have liked them to put the effort in revitalizing an iconic WHFB instead.

They seem very similar to Empire playwise, and considering how much better they look, I expect them to be much more popular. Not sure I like it that the empire is kinda replaced as the main human faction in the game

Old World marketing started with Cathay and Kislev - GW pretty much HAD to do them. When the choice came to push out old models and armies as well GW clearly shifted gears to put the older armies first and steadily bring out more and more until the totally brand new ones came at the end. Mine the mine for nostalgia and past models then hit them with new. I fully expect after Kislev that we will start to see either a 2.0 or update edition where we begin to get replacement new models for the other armies. Just like every other main-studio game that GW operates.

Kislev yes, but I don't recall Cathay being promoted at first. And also, a bit off topic, but i'm not too happy that the first two new armies released are human factions.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Kislev yes, but I don't recall Cathay being promoted at first. And also, a bit off topic, but i'm not too happy that the first two new armies released are human factions.

Most of the armies that never got a release in the Old World days were human factions. Amazons, Cathay, Nippon, Araby - all human faction or at least focused around humans at their core.

 bong264 wrote:
Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

They're new. They're slightly modified primaris armor (phobos for BC, taciticicisus for GH) with some old helmets and a couple other design elements. They're notably low key not using the word Primaris again, same as the main codex.
It looks like all the old weapon options got ganked though, except plasma pistols on sergeants. But from the sounds of it they got ++ rules in exchange. 3 shot bolt carbines, OC3, 7" move on Blood Claws, etc.


From a broad perspective, this looks like they're doing nu-marine versions of the old marine kits so they can finish the purge. The next loyalist codex (either 10.5 or 11) likely won't have any of the old stuff. It will be interesting to see what happens to Long Fangs (the mixed weapons don't fit the new doctrine) and the Wolf Wolf Wolfers, as the riders were out of scale for old marines and will look extremely silly now. They did say there was more to come, but that may just be Named Character shenanigans.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
At the earliest I'll see Imperial Knights in 2026.

They did briefly show a roadmap. (1:15:20 in the video)
Chaos and Wolfs are 'now'
BT, GK, Chaos Knights AND Imperial Knights are 'Next'
More loyalist marines (lesser chapters get their special characters in plastic?) are 'on the horizon'
vague Votann(?) shape is 'the future'

 BorderCountess wrote:
Maybe it's the paint job, but those new Thousand Sons bots just look... boring.

The bone white absolutely robs any detail the sculpt might have. There's also a distracting attempt to give it weathering that doesn't work at all. I'll be very curious to see them painted differently, because most of the sculpt is just really hard to figure out with that scheme.

Cathay look great. I think some of the centerpiece models are doing some serious heavy lifting and I'd be less exciting about the army as a whole if they aren't must takes, but its an undeniably jaw dropping reveal.

New wolves look really great. Just, great really. Easily some of the best head options GW has ever produced and the wolf stuff looks great without going overboard. Never been all in on these guys, but this is exactly why so many people do.

Chaos releases are as expected. Mostly good to fine, but definitely overshadowed by the bigger launches. Hopefully now that we're done reorganizing they can get some be waves of new stuff in the future.

Kill Team stuff looks fine. The Ravaners are superb, the Mechanicus is meh. Looking forward to seeing more of them on the table. Great terrain too.

One of the best presentations. I was hoping to learn more about Knights, but that's a tiny complaint to what a good show this was.

great show, all around. ksons mech and Cathay are def the highlights for me, plus the kill team stuff

 bong264 wrote:
Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

The Wolf Priest's pose looks awfully similar to Obsidius Mallex's from Blackstone Fortress!

Well this was a flop for me personally

Space Wolves - don't care

Grey Knights - don't care

Thousand Sons - terrible sculpts, I guess they're riffing on some 80s Chaos Robot sculpt but they're aesthetically too far from anything CSM are doing today. Ossiarchs innn spaaace?

Spearhead: All recycled sprues?

Kill Team: Cool stuff, especially terrain. Servitors aren't as good as they could be.

Cathay: Decent but not jaw dropping. Which is a good thing for WHFB fans I suppose, we don't want it looking all cray cray like AoS. Lantern is great.

Wood Elves and Beastmen: don't care

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

Tyel wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

They look Imperial Eldar

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Kill Team: Cool stuff, especially terrain. Servitors aren't as good as they could be.

I'm morbidly curious - what's up with the Servitors?

Tyel wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

Given their apparent size, just using Ushabti might be an option.

Tyel wrote:

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Those Cylons don't look like they belong with the rest of the 1kSons ascetic.

This may be a joke - but its my take.
They look sort of... weirdly kit-bashed from another studio rather than a "GW Thousand Sons" mini.

I can't work out whether I like or dislike them - but its prompting a sort of "uncanny valley" feeling. Like seeing classic WHFB minis next to AoS models.

Tzeentch approves your confused and mixed feelings!

 CMLR wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
Love how the new Blood Claws have Primaris armour but don’t have those edges on the knees. Great for making retro true scale Marines!

It's because is not Tacticus armor

Are you sure? they still have the tassets on the thighs, the ankle circles and the torso pec plate as well as the primaris backpack (without the extra plate on the roundels). Lacking the rim on the knees seems pretty minor to make them a different type of armour...

What are they supposed to be? It's not phobos armour and it doesn't match any earlier mark. Are they inventing special blood claw armour now?

Space Wolves are arguably more notable for piecing together a complete suit for bits and bobs. At least, that’s the aesthetic that sticks in my mind, compared to other squads just being a mix of armour Marks, a Space Wolf model is a mix of armour Marks*.

I’d chalk it up to the same thing.

*And I’ve a very dim memory that, recruiting almost exclusively from Fenris, if a new Marine had a Marine ancestor, they’d be given that armour as a hand me down?

The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 bong264 wrote:
Am I crazy of are the "new" space wolves actually new or a fancy retool. Or maybe I've just seen way too many space marines and the poses are all blending into one big mess

The Wolf Priest's pose looks awfully similar to Obsidius Mallex's from Blackstone Fortress!

CAD design means they can copy and paste poses and designs now, its particularly evident in the space marine range.

I love the servitors, shocked its taken them this long to rerelease a full unit of them

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

As they never split up Post Heresy, my assumption is whilst they don’t have the numbers of Brothers they once had, they’re not hard up on the shiny toys?

I'm loving the Cathay stuff... Anyone know how newer Old World releases scale with the older stuff? Are they keeping to the classic scale, or going with the more modern upsized scaling?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

As they never split up Post Heresy, my assumption is whilst they don’t have the numbers of Brothers they once had, they’re not hard up on the shiny toys?

Plus, putting better armor on the reckless youth is likely to keep more of them alive to temper their tempers.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*And I’ve a very dim memory that, recruiting almost exclusively from Fenris, if a new Marine had a Marine ancestor, they’d be given that armour as a hand me down?

I'd have thought that recruiting prepubescents would negate the possibility of having descendants...


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 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The Space Wolves don't strike me as the brightest bulbs on the tree.

 BorderCountess wrote:
I'd have thought that recruiting prepubescents would negate the possibility of having descendants...

And yet most cultures send their young people off to fight. It's something to do with being less concerned with mortality.