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 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*And I’ve a very dim memory that, recruiting almost exclusively from Fenris, if a new Marine had a Marine ancestor, they’d be given that armour as a hand me down?

I'd have thought that recruiting prepubescents would negate the possibility of having descendants...


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 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The Space Wolves don't strike me as the brightest bulbs on the tree.

IIRC the wolves recruit into the young adult range as well. Because they are the rule breakers; what other chapters do they are the exception for.

Parts of their fluff is all over the place and not consistent with the overall lore.

Unless its an extreme time of war you don't send all your children to the front-line.

Some go, but others stay so a Marine can easily have brothers and sisters who go on to carry on the family name and so forth.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Kill Team: Cool stuff, especially terrain. Servitors aren't as good as they could be.

I'm morbidly curious - what's up with the Servitors?

Personally, they look too.... normal?

Servitors are consistently described with a fairly tortured, half-alive existence. These are pretty beefy, well-fed looking guys with a few augmetics. I think exactly one has a somewhat skeletal head. The breacher, technomedic and auto-proxy honestly look like lower-middle laborers headed to work after a fairly effective arm routine at the gym, but still leaves a bit of a gut.

The old metals looked grim and beaten down, hunched and miserable. The 30k tech-thralls are horrors, even with a similar black body-glove- it comes out in their posture (few stand straight, and several have a bit of a zombie shuffle going on) and the missing bits and scarred joins between flesh and metal.

The KT fellows look like they'll pass the evening at the Auto-brewery listening to the Binaric Can't (a music group that does sciene-themed rap battles) after they clock out for the day.

Voss wrote:

The old metals looked grim and beaten down, hunched and miserable. The 30k tech-thralls are horrors, even with a similar black body-glove- it comes out in their posture (few stand straight, and several have a bit of a zombie shuffle going on) and the missing bits and scarred joins between flesh and metal.

The KT fellows look like they'll pass the evening at the Auto-brewery listening to the Binaric Can't (a music group that does sciene-themed rap battles) after they clock out for the day.

I guess the reasoning would be that these are the relatively elite Kill Team servitors for operations where one can't afford a feth-up caused by a glitchy human component (for the machine would never fail) rather than the hordes whose job is to soak up bullets.

I only managed to see some quick highlights of the show.

So I got Nids and space puppies.

Did they mention anything about More puppies like termis and dreads anytime soon?

Was there any concrete data about Votann?

 NAVARRO wrote:
I only managed to see some quick highlights of the show.

So I got Nids and space puppies.

Did they mention anything about More puppies like termis and dreads anytime soon?

Was there any concrete data about Votann?

Nothing concrete on the wolves. Just the stock “more to come, keep an eye on WarCom”

I don’t think Votann were mentioned at all. Although a mystery image in the roadmap might be them.

Did anyone hear the bit about new rules for Incursion (1,000 points) where you were limited to 2 of a unit, 4 Battleline...?

Was that in Crusade or Chapter Approved?

 Nevelon wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
I only managed to see some quick highlights of the show.

So I got Nids and space puppies.

Did they mention anything about More puppies like termis and dreads anytime soon?

Was there any concrete data about Votann?

Nothing concrete on the wolves. Just the stock “more to come, keep an eye on WarCom”

I don’t think Votann were mentioned at all. Although a mystery image in the roadmap might be them.

Thanks mate. I guess it's pretty much done for this year. No Votann then.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Did anyone hear the bit about new rules for Incursion (1,000 points) where you were limited to 2 of a unit, 4 Battleline...?

Was that in Crusade or Chapter Approved?

IIRC that was when they were talking about the new mission deck.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Did anyone hear the bit about new rules for Incursion (1,000 points) where you were limited to 2 of a unit, 4 Battleline...?

Was that in Crusade or Chapter Approved?

Sounded like Chapter Approved.

Definitely the new mission deck.

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

Then there are chapters like the Marines Malevolent who can't make new suits and scavenge a bit here and a piece there.

There's always going to be outliers and exceptions.

The new servitors are excellent.

Remember they are combat servitors, they are in keeping with the look established for imperial servitors as far back as the 2nd edition servitors, which was carried on with 3rd and 4th edition models.

Expecting them to be like a kind of undead/hald dead creature is confusing them with 30k tech thralls.

robbienw wrote:
The new servitors are excellent.

Remember they are combat servitors, they are in keeping with the look established for imperial servitors as far back as the 2nd edition servitors, which was carried on with 3rd and 4th edition models.

Expecting them to be like a kind of undead/hald dead creature is confusing them with 30k tech thralls.

Did you notice that the host mention that the priest could take control of enemy servitors... makes me wonder about the Gun Servitors in the Imperial Agents list.

Power armor can't really be a priceless relic if there's a new model of it (and has been, several times). I know people are afraid that being able to make something somehow makes the world less grimdark, but honestly the war machine churning out endless replacements for recruits to replace the fallen isn't exactly less bleak than somehow never running out of old suits no matter how many of them get obliterated.

Both can true.

They’re not terribly easy to manufacture, but there does seem to be a constant production line of new and replacement parts.

Yet, a Marine cares for and venerates his armour. Sure, the big repairs are done by specialists, but the day-to-day and spit and polish is done by the owning Marine. So it’s no longer a suit of Power Armour, it’s his suit of Power Armour.

Suits are also refurbished and reissued when the owner is slain. Even if it was something nasty that did for him, and all that’s left was the Comedy Smoking Boots? They’ll be added to the stock pile to be reissued after repair. And the new owner will be told of their August History as part of Chapter tradition.

Hence, whilst kind of mass produced (not in masses, but not hand made), each suit in active service is absolutely an irreplaceable, priceless relic of that Chapter.

I might be out of date or missing bits of lore, but I was under the impression it was more specifically terminator armour that was all priceless irreplaceable relics...?

Crispy78 wrote:
I might be out of date or missing bits of lore, but I was under the impression it was more specifically terminator armour that was all priceless irreplaceable relics...?

I thought TFA suits were still being made, just in very small numbers. But yes, priceless relics.

Ultima Chapters got Terminator armour, so it is still in production.

 Quixote wrote:

 YodhrinsForge wrote:

 Hellebore wrote:
The fact that their neophytes start in power armour has always been weird to me (at least, when Bill King invented it in Space Wolf because before that they followed the normal scout system).

Giving your hot headed noobs with anger issues precious rare suits to go and die in droves in seems counter productive.

The "every suit of power armour is a priceless relic" thing was always overblown though, especially once it became an internet meme. There are suits of power armour that are precious relics, there are some suits of power armour that probably were precious relics at some point in a Ship of Theseus kind of way, and the general backwards superstition and animism of Mecanicus-derived Imperial belief(is that still a thing in nu40K?) about machines means everyone *treats* every suit of power armour like a priceless relic, but most chapters can churn the stuff out ten a penny in their own forges if they need to and the mechanicus certainly still know how to make it.

Then there are chapters like the Marines Malevolent who can't make new suits and scavenge a bit here and a piece there.

There's always going to be outliers and exceptions.

I wonder why the notoriously hated Chapter can't get reliable logistics.

Im keeping my fingers crossed that those servitors will be added to the Ad mech list. A number of years ago I converted a servitor unit that looked like mini Kataphrons.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Im keeping my fingers crossed that those servitors will be added to the Ad mech list. A number of years ago I converted a servitor unit that looked like mini Kataphrons.

I'd assume so, it uses the same technoarcheologist that is already in admech.

Killteam sets are just slightly more option rich regular sets (or fully regular) 40K sets. It's just different brand packaging. So 100% they'll be in the codex or get rules for the codex

The Tyranid one is a straight updated sprue of models for Raveners

 Overread wrote:
Killteam sets are just slightly more option rich regular sets (or fully regular) 40K sets. It's just different brand packaging. So 100% they'll be in the codex or get rules for the codex

The Tyranid one is a straight updated sprue of models for Raveners

For the Nids I wonder if they will make a new entry of “Ravener primes” or something and include all the wacky options in the full codex. Or just ignore them. New kits can mess with NMNR, so what’s in the box has a lot of power. Or do they keep the legacy rules for the old models?

GW is horribly inconsistent with what they do.

Part of it is that 3 years isn't very long of an edition cycle and as each edition is a full rework you can easily get modles half way through that change from old to "work in progress for the new edition" design elements

So yeah it can get all kinds of messy and confusing.


From the video it sounds like the kit will produce a full regular set of raveners or one of each of the new specialists.
The BEST Thing is that the specialists are leader models that you can only take 1 of per squad for 40K and the rest are regulars.

The WORST is that GW makes it so you can take one of each upgrade per squad and then costs them at 0 so you "can" in theory take regular ones but you never would because the specialist ones are better.

The Neutral is indeed having regulars and one or two of the specialists with 40K rules and then the rest can't feature on 40K tables.



I'd hope they go for the best.

 Overread wrote:
Part of it is that 3 years isn't very long of an edition cycle and as each edition is a full rework you can easily get modles half way through that change from old to "work in progress for the new edition" design elements

So yeah it can get all kinds of messy and confusing.


From the video it sounds like the kit will produce a full regular set of raveners or one of each of the new specialists.
The BEST Thing is that the specialists are leader models that you can only take 1 of per squad for 40K and the rest are regulars.

The WORST is that GW makes it so you can take one of each upgrade per squad and then costs them at 0 so you "can" in theory take regular ones but you never would because the specialist ones are better.

The Neutral is indeed having regulars and one or two of the specialists with 40K rules and then the rest can't feature on 40K tables.



I'd hope they go for the best.

They could always go the custodes route: Ravener unit is 2-3 models, and there is an option for a hero version.

When's the next Preview Event?

 Nevelon wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
I might be out of date or missing bits of lore, but I was under the impression it was more specifically terminator armour that was all priceless irreplaceable relics...?

I thought TFA suits were still being made, just in very small numbers. But yes, priceless relics.

Terminator armor is most definitely still being made, the Sharks received brand new ones from the Mechanicus in the beginning of Outer Dark.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Killteam sets are just slightly more option rich regular sets (or fully regular) 40K sets. It's just different brand packaging. So 100% they'll be in the codex or get rules for the codex

The Tyranid one is a straight updated sprue of models for Raveners

For the Nids I wonder if they will make a new entry of “Ravener primes” or something and include all the wacky options in the full codex. Or just ignore them. New kits can mess with NMNR, so what’s in the box has a lot of power. Or do they keep the legacy rules for the old models?

GW is horribly inconsistent with what they do.

I'd be a little suspicious with the Horms being included that there isn't a Kill team ravener sprue, and that most of those could be kit options for the updated unit.