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Crispy78 wrote:
If they don't take a straightforward "Sorry guys, you've been misinformed. Back in the old days, codexes often carried across multiple rules editions - but the current 10th edition was a total reset and none of the books from previous editions are compatible" then there's some sort of hidden agenda at play. But short of not wanting to spend forty quid on a new army book, which is honestly quite understandable, I don't get what that agenda would be...

All i know is that these newbies have small non-meta chasing armies. Maybe 500-1250 points worth. And they talk about 40k youtube shorts and channels a lot


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 Da Boss wrote:
This is such a weird scenario. It's straightforward how you have to deal with it though.

You need to firmly explain that modern editions are not cross compatible with older editions. If they want to play older edition rules they need to clarify that beforehand.

If someone online has told them otherwise they've been misinformed.

The rules are so different between now and 5e (when Assault on Black Reach came out) that I can't imagine how they were managing to play the same game as you at all.

If someone doesn't agree to the above, then you just decline to continue playing them or talking to them if they keep whinging about it.

What i want to know is who online keeps telling them the same dang thing


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 Orkeosaurus wrote:
Full house, jacks over 9s.

I play Monster Reborn to summon your ace of clubs from the graveyard!

I field 50 conscript blob!

Ummm. No. You cant

the-gentleman-ranker wrote:
What i want to know is who online keeps telling them the same dang thing

I think it's quite likely they've misinterpreted "everything is canon, even if they're in old books" to be "All old rules are still valid"

Charax wrote:

the-gentleman-ranker wrote:
What i want to know is who online keeps telling them the same dang thing

I think it's quite likely they've misinterpreted "everything is canon, even if they're in old books" to be "All old rules are still valid"

Assuming that is the case, what is the recommended protocol. Preferably one that doesnt devolve into semantic arguing.

Just saying that that statement only applies to background, game rules are a separate thing and you have to be using books that are compatible for rules or the game doesn't work.

It's unfortunately a little bit muddy because you do end up using books an edition or two out of date sometimes depending on how GW does updates, but if someone is being unreasonable on that point you just decline to play them. I'd offer to play the old rules, but I don't think you should HAVE to do that and it would take extra prep obviously to have the old rules to hand and make a list and so on, and your models might not exist in the older rulesets as well.

In the end if someone is being unreasonable it's fine to refuse to engage. If they keep trying to engage you about it you should just be very clear that you don't want to discuss it.

 Da Boss wrote:
Just saying that that statement only applies to background, game rules are a separate thing and you have to be using books that are compatible for rules or the game doesn't work.

It's unfortunately a little bit muddy because you do end up using books an edition or two out of date sometimes depending on how GW does updates, but if someone is being unreasonable on that point you just decline to play them. I'd offer to play the old rules, but I don't think you should HAVE to do that and it would take extra prep obviously to have the old rules to hand and make a list and so on, and your models might not exist in the older rulesets as well.

In the end if someone is being unreasonable it's fine to refuse to engage. If they keep trying to engage you about it you should just be very clear that you don't want to discuss it.

I think. No guarantees this is actually the case, it may be hard conveying the seperation between gameplay from literary.

I sound like a old man, but i blame video games like SM2 for blurring the two.

the-gentleman-ranker wrote:


What i want to know is who online keeps telling them the same dang thing

It sounds like they may be mistakenly conflating several things together.

Generally, it is accepted that classic models are still usable.It is also often repeated by the community that simply being something from an old publication, does not mean something is no longer relevant or canon - but that is strict relating to the lore. The lore within those old codex editions, or novels from several decades ago, are not necessarily outdated simply by being from that long ago.

It could be that they've have seen some variation of those claimed, and got the idea that it applies to everything from those books - not just the lore and miniatures, but the rules too.

Easy Solution to your issue:

You said they had the models from the Black Reach box set?

[Marine Captain (power weapon)
10 Tactical Marines (flamer, missile launcher)
5 Terminators (storm bolters, power weapon sergeant)
1 Dreadnought (close combat arm/multi-melta)]

With a little bit of "counts as" they have the workings of the new Space Marine Combat Patrol.

They only really need to source a terminator librarian, everything else can be "counts as."

And these players are perfect for Combat Patrol. Free rules, free army datasheets... and a simplified introduction into 10th edition.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Easy Solution to your issue:

You said they had the models from the Black Reach box set?

[Marine Captain (power weapon)
10 Tactical Marines (flamer, missile launcher)
5 Terminators (storm bolters, power weapon sergeant)
1 Dreadnought (close combat arm/multi-melta)]

With a little bit of "counts as" they have the workings of the new Space Marine Combat Patrol.

They only really need to source a terminator librarian, everything else can be "counts as."

And these players are perfect for Combat Patrol. Free rules, free army datasheets... and a simplified introduction into 10th edition.

Ah, they just had the ork portion of it.

Any claim about any rule here can, and sometimes will, be anwsered with a "Can you show this to me in rules or printed FAQ.

And stuff like X told me , unless X is present here and it is an event, or "I seen it in [pick any source]", is generaly not accepted . Trying to pull the same act over and over again, with different or same player, will soon end up with the person in question not finding any games and being not accepted to participate in events localy.

That’s just called cheating.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

the-gentleman-ranker wrote:


What i want to know is who online keeps telling them the same dang thing

It sounds like they may be mistakenly conflating several things together.

Generally, it is accepted that classic models are still usable.It is also often repeated by the community that simply being something from an old publication, does not mean something is no longer relevant or canon - but that is strict relating to the lore. The lore within those old codex editions, or novels from several decades ago, are not necessarily outdated simply by being from that long ago.

It could be that they've have seen some variation of those claimed, and got the idea that it applies to everything from those books - not just the lore and miniatures, but the rules too.

Ironically, i've seen people who DON'T play the game insist that only the very latest publication is canon and that everything else isn't.

Actually had an instance at our LGS where a new player to the hobby had an old tau codex from 5th edition or something. They said they bought it on eBay and had no idea it changes with new editions etc.

Was an honest oversight, once corrected they moved on with wahapedia for the game and came back next week with the new codex.

If it's someone genuine, no harm no foul - correct and move on. If it's someone trying that BS on rotation through the club then that's a different matter entirely.

I've seen that case happen multiple times as well. Sometimes it is because someone who sold their entire army lied to buyer about it so they could sell them a worthless book.

GW really needs to get a handle on their publications.
Once a rulebook goes out of 'rotation', being of an older version, they should list the book's ISBN and cover art on a list of official rules.
But, books from box sets do not always list a print code to refer to. I just checked the last version's Kill Team rule book, and there's nothing to identify it, other than the year in the front cover and the picture of a veteran guardsman. Old box sets come and go, and the rulebooks are not usually shown on the GW store page to check for.
Officially, there is no way to prove that a rulebook is from a current version, nor if it is valid for 'official' use.

Also though, old Youtube (or whatever) videos are still floating around from old versions. If a new player gets told to watch a known gamer's videos, they might be getting tips they cannot use, and there's nothing to tell them it is wrong.

I have played 40k since 5th edition, and I get rules from old editions popping up to be checked. Like "Skilled Rider" was in 6th edition and dropped in 7th (I think it was). There was nothing saying that most rules were similar between the rulessets, but some implied rules dropped out. IIRC, Skilled Rider applied to all bikers of a certain type, so keywords did not help back then. It took a lot of reading through the newer rules to realise it had gone.

So, to answer the original question about how to tell new players what the new rules are, using the apps appears to be the only way.

 Jidmah wrote:
I've seen that case happen multiple times as well. Sometimes it is because someone who sold their entire army lied to buyer about it so they could sell them a worthless book.

That did happen to me. The dude who sold me my army, told me that GK are going to get an update soon. And they kind of a did, but by the time I actualy got my hands on the actual codex, a ton of the stuff I bought was no longer legel. Twin AC dreadnoughts, psycanon armed razorbacks. I think that at least for the whole of 8th ed I lived thinking that anytime soon GW is going to "fix" that error.