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2025/04/28 15:09:05
Subject: 1490 DOOM - 28mm skirmish game by Buer Games
1490 Doom is a tabletop war game set in a grimdark world between 1490 and 1494, where players lead Doom Companies—warriors united by desperation and survival instinct—through a world plagued by the creeping death. Navigate treacherous landscapes, scavenge for resources, and engage in brutal combat as you fight to outlast the horrors that threaten to consume all.
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2025/04/28 15:53:00
Subject: 1490 DOOM - 28mm skirmish game by Buer Games
Looks like another game that wants to sell through visuals the idea of playing it, rather than an actually interesting, playable game. Perfect for todays' gaming market of rampant western consummerism - buying a lot of stuff on a whim never to use it. The point of the product is to provide a dopamine hit when buying it, so it doesn't have to be designed to be actually used anyway, not to mention used long-term. They don't even bother showing the rules and Tabletop Minions stamp only tells me "a boring design where players roll plenty of dice but neither make any interesting decisions nor are offered tools to creatively solve problems posed by the game in a fulfilling way".
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2025/04/29 08:30:04
Subject: Re:1490 DOOM - 28mm skirmish game by Buer Games
If you want the rules, GMG already reviewed it, in his usual "man reads book on camera" fashion
I'm not sure if I agree that the glut of indy wargames is down to western consumerism tho. Like we haven't all dreamed of making our own since forever? It's more that self publication has become casually accessible and wargames (and RPGs, of course) have become a new venue for self expression for even the lowly geek (to speak nothing of influencers), and this includes artistic self expression, not just your talent at rules writing. So yes, we do have glut of games that are all vibe, no rules, but that's fine. They still provide a service beyond consumerist interpassivity - a framework for one's hobbying. Like, I think TC has aggressively mediocre rules but you can't deny thousands of people who have never played it are enjoying painting and kitbashing their edgy teen grimdark doomed to die mud fighters that GW's pivot to noblebright no longer provides, and that's just as valid a hobby as balanced competitive play.
Irdiumstern wrote: Looks like a cheap attempt to cash in on Trench Crusade's popularity
Trench Crusade is riding on the whole INQ28/Blanchitsu wave from the last couple of years, filled with all sorts of indie projects, spinoffs, and what not. So in that regard DOOM 1490 isn’t that different or “ripoff”.
1490 DOOM looks pretty fun, fast and brutal. tick, tick, TICK. You only need 3 guys, the 'official' models look great, I like the idea behind the game.
The main issues for me are the round board, which looks great but I'll need to get a local handwear store or carpenter to sort that out for me and the biggy, sadly, is their reliance on AI voice overs for the lore podcasts and videos.
Irdiumstern wrote: Looks like a cheap attempt to cash in on Trench Crusade's popularity
This one came out first, but didn't have the name recognition attached to put wind in the sails/ sales. The thing that took me for a ride was the ... board/ castle, and the lethality of the game. I do wonder about Staying Power though... It looks a little rough, and the technical aspects could use a little look over for fluidity. The mechanics are a little too chunky for just a couple of figures a side.
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2025/05/05 19:48:23
Subject: Re:1490 DOOM - 28mm skirmish game by Buer Games
Irdiumstern wrote: Looks like a cheap attempt to cash in on Trench Crusade's popularity
Trench Crusade is riding on the whole INQ28/Blanchitsu wave from the last couple of years, filled with all sorts of indie projects, spinoffs, and what not. So in that regard DOOM 1490 isn’t that different or “ripoff”.
I'd agree. Trench Crusade is one of the pinnacles of the genre -and admittedly it could be said to have a superior lineage with Tuomas' involvement- however, it follows a line of earlier games in that vein. If 1490 is a cash in on Trench Crusade, then Trench Crusade is a cash in on Sludge and Turnip28. Much better I think to see them all as different game designer's take on dirty, filthy, depressing, grim darkness.
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To be fair this grim darkness with religion bundled into it is just so old I'm surprised people still have that itch when 40k is everywhere and at it for 50 odd years?
See the problem is that 40k rules are trash but indie developers can't legally write a better ruleset for the 40k setting and models, hence they have to put in a new setting too.
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2025/05/06 09:02:51
Subject: 1490 DOOM - 28mm skirmish game by Buer Games
At least miniatures games of this sort actually produce some interesting artistic miniatures. The RPG side of things is full of games that are essentially Basic D&D with a wacky colour scheme and page layout.
Still fills its purpose more than any other. Grim dark for a new system is simply just lazy.
You've piqued my interest. What would you define as a non lazy, interesting, or unique setting?
Things like Infinity, Drowned Earth, Old Warmachine, Starwars, Malifaux. (these are the more popular)
I also like the sandbox like 5parsec from home... that can be any feel and look but the setting seems less Grimdarkish but that may be just my interpretation of it.
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Still fills its purpose more than any other. Grim dark for a new system is simply just lazy.
You've piqued my interest. What would you define as a non lazy, interesting, or unique setting?
Things like Infinity, Drowned Earth, Old Warmachine, Starwars, Malifaux. (these are the more popular)
I also like the sandbox like 5parsec from home... that can be any feel and look but the setting seems less Grimdarkish but that may be just my interpretation of it.
Good recommendations there, NAVARRO, thank you for indulging me
lord_blackfang wrote:See the problem is that 40k rules are trash but indie developers can't legally write a better ruleset for the 40k setting and models, hence they have to put in a new setting too.
Still fills its purpose more than any other. Grim dark for a new system is simply just lazy.
If you want things grim, ark and truly nhilistic, 40k probably isn't going to do it for you. Hence Trench Crusade.
Heck, if you want things with the Grimdarky satire of RT, then neither current 40k, nor Trench Crusade will do it for you. This is more the boat I'm in which is why I've got a mix of (mostly 40k, mostly pre 2010) 40k minis, a mix of pre-primaris 40k fluff and Grimdark Future minis.
All this to illustrate is why we've got a wonderful plethora of games, settings and miniatures and clever gamers can mix and match to get the flavor that they prefer. It's also why I'm always happy to see another take on almost any wargaming genre, even if I have no interest in it. Some author is creating something they like and some folks are buying it, and even if it floats away over the horizon in a year or two (or never realluy ts off the ground) then the act of creation is enough.
Good recommendations there, NAVARRO, thank you for indulging me
If I may elaborate a bit. Don't feel that your minis, narrative and rules have to come from the same place. Most of my minis get on the table with rules from a different company and often the minis, fluff and rules are all from disparate sources.
If you're having trouble finding sources for any of those, there's plenty of folks here that can help you find rules, minis or settings to meet your needs.
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Good recommendations there, NAVARRO, thank you for indulging me
If I may elaborate a bit. Don't feel that your minis, narrative and rules have to come from the same place. Most of my minis get on the table with rules from a different company and often the minis, fluff and rules are all from disparate sources.
If you're having trouble finding sources for any of those, there's plenty of folks here that can help you find rules, minis or settings to meet your needs.
To your first point, I have had trouble with minis agnostic games. I have tried, for example Zona Alfa, Kontraband, Shadow Deep, and Mars: Code Aurora, but the stuff I have doesn't *quite* fit what factions/equipment I want to use so I find mini agnostic a bit frustrating. That said, I could probably do OK with a Space Elf force for OPR as I have a ton of 2nd Edition Eldar.
I've got a fair swatch of Infinity, Star Wars, and TDE miniatures (I was a Wayfarer for TDE when it launched), I've just been caught up in GD stuff recently with Kill Team and Trench Crusade and sort of... forgot about the others. I need to paint something bright
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To your first point, I have had trouble with minis agnostic games. I have tried, for example Zona Alfa, Kontraband, Shadow Deep, and Mars: Code Aurora, but the stuff I have doesn't *quite* fit what factions/equipment I want to use so I find mini agnostic a bit frustrating. That said, I could probably do OK with a Space Elf force for OPR as I have a ton of 2nd Edition Eldar.
I've got a fair swatch of Infinity, Star Wars, and TDE miniatures (I was a Wayfarer for TDE when it launched), I've just been caught up in GD stuff recently with Kill Team and Trench Crusade and sort of... forgot about the others. I need to paint something bright
I must confess ignorance concerning those games as OPR is the only one I've played and I have a friend who likes Zona Alpha.
I've played a ton of indie agnostic games over the years. My favorite 28mm sci-fi agnostic games at this point are Grimdark Future and Space Weirdos. Both are simple and more abstracted than most of what you suggested, but I highly recommend them. I've played quite a bit of both.
Your second edition Eldar could indeed find a home in either.
I've also done Star Wars using Grimdark Future and it was a ton of fun. Lots of good options for them on Army Forge in the Official and "Community" army lists.
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OPR are really on my radar at the minute, with the Gamefound 2 player set campaign looming. Space Weirdos sounds right up my street, I'll have a look! Thanks!
With regards to 1490 again and so we don't slapped wrists for going OT - I'm potentially in for the STLs but I am tempted to ask on the campaign pages if they have any intention of hiring an actor to re-do their AI voiced promo videos/podcasts if they reach a certain amount.
Tabletop_Magpie wrote: OPR are really on my radar at the minute, with the Gamefound 2 player set campaign looming. Space Weirdos sounds right up my street, I'll have a look! Thanks!
With regards to 1490 again and so we don't slapped wrists for going OT - I'm potentially in for the STLs but I am tempted to ask on the campaign pages if they have any intention of hiring an actor to re-do their AI voiced promo videos/podcasts if they reach a certain amount.
Maybe you can volunteer your services in exchange for free STL's...?
As for OPR, definitely give it a shot. The Regular version is great and I enjoyed the "Skirmish" version as well. It's free "Army Forge" is the best and easiest to use listbuilder I've ever tried. Space Wierdos is a bit more abstract, but it's also more cinematic with the dice mechanics and results table and even though I never played RT, I feel like it some of that vibe.
I'm pretty excited for this one and backed for the Rulebook and 3 Physical minis. I already own the PDF of the rules and have kitbashed up a couple teams for it and am looking forward to giving it a shot.
Honestly I don't really see a lot of the flak the game is getting. The rules are simple, solid, have a unique setting and mechanics and look like a total blast. What other games are so focuses on climbing and shoving people off high points? Or have rules for damaging your enemies breathing apparatus to make things harder for them?
It's a also very accessible for a casual gamer or for a side game. You just need some terrain and three minis, the rules are simple to learn, and I imagine once you get the rules down you can play a game in about 40 minutes.
As someone without a lot of time or space who wants to play something a bit different, this looks like a lot of fun to me.
2025/05/08 07:50:36
Subject: 1490 DOOM - 28mm skirmish game by Buer Games
