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Why is that surprising twist? Are you suggesting it's a surprise that the people saying that GW is doing the right thing and would do right by those caught in the crossfire when, they indeed to defend their property and do right by those caught in the crossfire?
Ofc they should have caught them earlier, but at least they're not moustache twirling evil villain stomping off to the courts like a lot of people pretend.
Well, remains to be seen whether GW will "do right by" people who've had their stores closed and assets frozen for a couple of weeks. An act that, in the real world, is a couple degrees more violent than making a half inch picture that maybe looks too much like someone else's half inch picture, to take Baron's example.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
The shops voluntarily dismissed are the ones who paid the extortion money. Interesting to see them take the money from the recaster sites and dismissing them without prejudice. I wonder what they intend to follow up on them and why not simply keeping them in the lawsuit.
Why is that surprising twist? Are you suggesting it's a surprise that the people saying that GW is doing the right thing and would do right by those caught in the crossfire when, they indeed to defend their property and do right by those caught in the crossfire?
Ofc they should have caught them earlier, but at least they're not moustache twirling evil villain stomping off to the courts like a lot of people pretend.
What are you talking about? GW totally did stomp off to court before double-checking their list. They are not doing right by anyone, the ones dismissed paid their extortion money.
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Hanskrampf wrote: The shops voluntarily dismissed are the ones who paid the extortion money. Interesting to see them take the money from the recaster sites and dismissing them without prejudice. I wonder what they intend to follow up on them and why not simply keeping them in the lawsuit.
Why is that surprising twist? Are you suggesting it's a surprise that the people saying that GW is doing the right thing and would do right by those caught in the crossfire when, they indeed to defend their property and do right by those caught in the crossfire?
Ofc they should have caught them earlier, but at least they're not moustache twirling evil villain stomping off to the courts like a lot of people pretend.
What are you talking about? GW totally did stomp off to court before double-checking their list.
They are not doing right by anyone, the ones dismissed paid their extortion money.
What extortion money? What about the $10,000 I think it was they put aside for anyone for anyone they mistakenly pursued?
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Hanskrampf wrote: The shops voluntarily dismissed are the ones who paid the extortion money. Interesting to see them take the money from the recaster sites and dismissing them without prejudice. I wonder what they intend to follow up on them and why not simply keeping them in the lawsuit.
Why is that surprising twist? Are you suggesting it's a surprise that the people saying that GW is doing the right thing and would do right by those caught in the crossfire when, they indeed to defend their property and do right by those caught in the crossfire?
Ofc they should have caught them earlier, but at least they're not moustache twirling evil villain stomping off to the courts like a lot of people pretend.
What are you talking about? GW totally did stomp off to court before double-checking their list.
They are not doing right by anyone, the ones dismissed paid their extortion money.
What extortion money? What about the $10,000 I think it was they put aside for anyone for anyone they mistakenly pursued?
Brickell/GW doesn't want this lawsuit to go to court, see my link earlier. It's pretty much a legal extortion scheme. Brickell/GW make an offer to everyone contacting them to get dropped from the lawsuit for the payment of 2500 USD or make a counter-offer.
Everyone who pays gets dropped from the case, see the recent documents with the list of dismissed defendants (both with and without prejudice).
The 10k collateral GW was legally required to put aside means you have to go to court in the USA first, the judge has to dismiss your case, then your US lawyer can try to get that money. At this point, you have already spent way beyond 10k in legal fees.
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well, Wahapedia and Battle Scribe still exist and the community has no problem using either of those
but somehow we should be made at someone who is using the Warhammer 40k logo to advertise their hoodies
Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise
What exactly is the correct ratio of people freely committing fraud:random Joe that you consider OK for the general balance in life?
Yes, do tell how many innocents it's okay to hit when gunning for a bad guy (whose crime was to sell a half inch picture that's allegedly too similar to someone else's picture, mind you... I shudder to think how many innocents you'd go through to get to someone who put up a tent in front of a bank)
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Hanskrampf wrote: ..., the ones dismissed paid their extortion money.
What are you basing that claim on?
As written before, I'm on the list of defendants.
Does that give you an insight into whether other defendants were dismissed because they paid or because they shouldn't have been on the list in the first place?
Not trying to be snarky here, genuinely just looking for clarification.
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Hanskrampf wrote: ..., the ones dismissed paid their extortion money.
What are you basing that claim on?
As written before, I'm on the list of defendants.
Does that give you an insight into whether other defendants were dismissed because they paid or because they shouldn't have been on the list in the first place?
Not trying to be snarky here, genuinely just looking for clarification.
Both. The evidence for all 281 defendants is/was visible for everyone to check, it was shared via a Dropbox link. Plus getting into contact with other defendants is pretty easy when they provide the complete list to everyone.
Hanskrampf wrote: ..., the ones dismissed paid their extortion money.
What are you basing that claim on?
As written before, I'm on the list of defendants.
May I ask what your alleged infraction is please? I'm just curious how fine of a line they're drawing on it.
No, sorry. But everything has been already said in this thread. The "line" ranges from Chinese recasters, to AI pictures on shirts, to 3rd party sculpts and tools ("compatible with Warhammer"), to a Battletech mech (named Warhammer and predates the game Warhammer by a few years) and a piece of terrain (a ruined Citadel). The connection link between all are the use of one of GW's trademarks, no matter the actual product (Warhammer in it's various forms, Citadel, Blood Bowl).
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What exactly is the correct ratio of people freely committing fraud:random Joe that you consider OK for the general balance in life?
Yes, do tell how many innocents it's okay to hit when gunning for a bad guy (whose crime was to sell a half inch picture that's allegedly too similar to someone else's picture, mind you... I shudder to think how many innocents you'd go through to get to someone who put up a tent in front of a bank)
OK, so answer the question instead of evasive snark?
I mean would you be happy if it was the reverse? If a series of large firms has used property from a small independent artist to some degree without permission or royalties?
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Dudeface wrote: I mean would you be happy if it was the reverse? If a series of large firms has used property from a small independent artist to some degree without permission or royalties?
I... I think we've established pretty well that I'm on the side of the weaker party.
I don't like Marvel stealing from GW either, but GW seemingly letting that go is pretty telling that GW is a classic bully who pees his pants when a bigger bully comes around.
If what Hanskrampf says about everyone's information being on a public dropbox, it might also be a breach of GDPR.
Because GW's litigation attempts seem to come in some sort of... cycle..., I assume they're mostly down to some sad sack of gak laywer padding their annual report with a shotgun blast rather than doing any real work for the rest of the year (for example, examining which infringement is actually an infringement before the lawsuit rather than just doing a hasty google search for the word warhammer and suing everything that comes up).
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
Dudeface wrote: I mean would you be happy if it was the reverse? If a series of large firms has used property from a small independent artist to some degree without permission or royalties?
I... I think we've established pretty well that I'm on the side of the weaker party.
I don't like Marvel stealing from GW either, but GW seemingly letting that go is pretty telling that GW is a classic bully who pees his pants when a bigger bully comes around.
If what Hanskrampf says about everyone's information being on a public dropbox, it might also be a breach of GDPR.
Because GW's litigation attempts seem to come in some sort of... cycle..., I assume they're mostly down to some sad sack of gak laywer padding their annual report with a shotgun blast rather than doing any real work for the rest of the year (for example, examining which infringement is actually an infringement before the lawsuit rather than just doing a hasty google search for the word warhammer and suing everything that comes up).
Yeah that's a fair take, it's likely an external firm not really knowing or caring about the market doing a case of "look, big number!" to seem like they've done a "good job". The GDPR point is interesting, I'd imagine it gets complicated in these circumstances.
I guess the Marvel instance is a bit different, they've used a Tau model in a comic which at worst, can lead people to GW to buy Tau models and be a benefit or simply not care. There is no actual harm done as it's not competing, it wouldn't be worth pursuing.
An Etsy shop selling printed t-shirts that are awfully close to legitimate products on their licensed merch store is directly competing and hurting their profits however, so would be fair game to try and lock down as it has as much chance of hurting as helping them.
I've been trying to find the follow-up Marvel article, but failing (it was almost 10 years ago). From what I remember GW was already talking to Marvel about doing comics (which came out a few years later) and it was 'dealt-with' internally.
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kodos wrote: Wahapedia and Battle Scribe still exist
Wahapedia still exists because it's hosted in Russia, and BattleScribe does not contain the army lists - they're hosted / provided by a 3rd party (same for New Recruit).
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kodos wrote: As I wrote, people have no problem with that but at the same time see it justified if GW goes against innocents to find others doing the same
So either you support piracy or you support GW and not just support it if you yourself have a use from it
That's a very broad and bold generalisation to make about 'people' as a whole.
kodos wrote: As I wrote, people have no problem with that but at the same time see it justified if GW goes against innocents to find others doing the same
So either you support piracy or you support GW and not just support it if you yourself have a use from it
Nah, I support both.
● I'll make use of BS, Wagh, 3d printers, re-casters, legit companies making "not-quite GW" or GW compatible, etc as long as they're available, as my needs dictate.
● But if/when GW feels the need to defend their IP/TN/Copyright claims vs these groups?
That's fine. They're required to do so. And these groups know the risk.
BeetleDash said they aren’t even a Warhammer creator. The controller was a custom request from a buyer that disappeared before purchasing the product, they said, so they put the controller online to try to recoup their lost time.
Ghasemy has sold and designed 3D models for players of a variety of games. Most of his designs were created to resemble the models for the Warhammer 40k range, and eventually he would take digital models from the video game Total War: Warhammer III and convert them into 3D printable files which he posted for free on Cults3D.
Both of those seem like reasonable things for GW to object to, although going by the story the sales figure GW have arrived at for the BeetleDash one is questionable.
