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How do!

Hopefully a fun thread, in which we can mildly embarrass ourselves over things that, as the title says, irrationally irritate us during a game.

Nothing rational here, like an opponent’s dubious grasp of personal hygiene, or being the sort to quibble every last possible detail, or being otherwise Clearly Obnoxious.

My first offering? And I’m sorry for using a term which for Dakkanauts of a certain vintage might consider questionable….Limp Wristed Dice Rolling. Nothing to do with anyone’s bedroom preferences or sad, lazy, usually wildly inaccurate negative stereotypes. But where someone just doesn’t roll their dice with any feeling or gusto.

Just, pile them on the palm, give a desultory shoogle, before dropping them onto the board from a low height. Literal Limp Wrist. Not metaphorical.

Now I don’t expect or require someone to cannonball their dice, or fling them without regard of where they might end up. There is a balance to this as there is in all things. But that….almost disinterested, I’m kinda sure this is some kind of dice manipulation thing but can’t prove it and feel frankly silly considering it rolling just really, really irritates me.

Roll them like you love them, I guess. Like they need a bit of a run up to those lovely sixes.

This is something that bothers me, from me.

I have played various GW games since the late 80's. It is very common for me to get rules mixed up between games and editions of games. I think something is supposed to work like X, but not anymore..... and it hasn't worked that way since before the start of the new Millenia. Woops!

Over explaining what everything does all the time. Just do the thing, tell me youre doing it with foot it's and if I need more I'll ask for it. I do not require a 10 minute breakdown of the strats and orders on your unit of kasrkin, just tell me how many wounds/saves.

I will share with you the penultimate villian (The ultimate villian is the angry parent who is putting unnecessary pressure on his child to win at a game).

The MultiTasker!

I'm sure this phone call is super important, and you totally need to build another army, and yes, you need to put in an order for lunch...

But could you maybe deal with some of this after our game?

I really enjoy saying, "It's your go," to you about 5 times before you respond with, "Oh, is it my turn?"

I'm not asking for much, just a little attention.

> My first offering? And I’m sorry for using a term which for Dakkanauts of a certain vintage might consider questionable….Limp Wristed Dice Rolling. Nothing to do with anyone’s bedroom preferences or sad, lazy, usually wildly inaccurate negative stereotypes. But where someone just doesn’t roll their dice with any feeling or gusto.

Reminds me of boardgamers who play with super-casuals whose only exposure to dice is Monopoly and will throw dice into the middle of the board, regardless of what you say to them. Not good for Settlers of Catan!

My irritation is that guy who thinks "it's a dumb rule" and keeps saying that all afternoon as you're playing games.

I'm torn between old foggies who think rules from 2003 are still relevant and money grubbing suits who change the rules every two years.

 Easy E wrote:
This is something that bothers me, from me.

I have played various GW games since the late 80's. It is very common for me to get rules mixed up between games and editions of games. I think something is supposed to work like X, but not anymore..... and it hasn't worked that way since before the start of the new Millenia. Woops!

I feel ya.. I do it with the various editions of D&D.. running a 5th ed game now, and still asking what the players THAC0 is..

Mine is the opponent who is so totally glued to whatever is happening on his phone that I wanna smack the phone out of his hand. Not making a call, or ordering lunch, but playing a game whilst playing a game, if that makes sense.

When a table gets done with their game and proceeds to have an in-depth after action report style conversation as if they were a podcast on high level competition... Loudly...

Maybe if it were conversation level volume I wouldn't notice or care.
But when the voices are pitched to carry in the game room it is especially irritating.

The guy who comes to a game an hour late and then spends another hour making a roster.

Is this peeve actually irrational tho? I lost 2 hours of my life waiting.

Oh yes, I don't mind playing at a leaisurely pace but please, don't spend 10 minutes thinking about a minor move that changes nothing.

I actually borrowed the idea of chess clocks from Warmachine tournaments to home games, because I was really fed up with my time being held hostage by a person who disrespects my time, comes totally unprepared and then takes forever to do anything. The clock at least lets them see for themselves - yes, it's not just my impression, you ARE taking three times the time I am taking to make the same amount of moves.

In particular I hate it when we play in a bigger group and another pair of players have already finished their game and are ready to switch opponents, but we are on Turn 2.

(tbh I wouldn't call this irritation irrational, though )

My entry for this is:

When I'm reading someone's list here/on-line & for every unit they list ALL the weapons the unit has, not just the ones that need to be noted because a choice had to be made.
Some even list it per model. Even for models that have no options.

Is that a default output thing from some of the list-building software? Seems a bit wasteful/pointless.

 Dysartes wrote:
Is that a default output thing from some of the list-building software? Seems a bit wasteful/pointless.

Probably.
But I know I've seen people do it long hand as the formats don't match any list builders I'm familiar with.

Part of me, a very cynical part I don’t mind admitting, wonders if perhaps such a detailed list may be the result of running into a rules lawyer previously?

I can just imagine the funk, and the whiny, reedy voice insisting that it doesn’t matter what your codex says, if it’s not declared on your army list, it’s not in the army actually

I did say it was a very cynical part of me.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm torn between old foggies who think rules from 2003 are still relevant and money grubbing suits who change the rules every two years.

C’mon, we all know that if it happened after Realms of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness it doesn’t count (rules and lore)!

The guy who agrees to meet up for a game but sees another game on the night he wants to join, so tries to play both at the same time. Those who write their list after turning up. People who turn up to tournaments that ask for a hard copy list and just show you their phone. People who use model they haven’t finished putting together. People who different dice for when rolling high and then low….


You know what? People. Just….. people.

Mis-matching Dice. Proper irrational.

Not bothered with using different colours for batch rolling. That makes sense.

But when it’s all different colours, and sizes? It just really annoys me.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
People who use model they haven’t finished putting together.

I think I'd give people a pass on this - but once per model. I get that they might be excited to try it out, but finish putting it together before a second game, OK?

Mine's not really a gaming one, more a building one. People who buy expensive limited-edition models and make a dog's breakfast of putting them together or a 4yr olds painting standard

I hoard my Limited Editions. Fresh in shrink wrap.

I'm not a patriot or nationalist or anything, but a bit of an inconsequential language purist.
The rule is called "Verletzungen ignorieren", go away with your "Feel no pain" we don't make a video for the internetz here! It gets totally irrational when I start translating OPR rules midgame that don't actually have any translations, yet.
I'll also go on to explain how the translation of my units changed with every edition whenever I use them. Did you know the Shokk attack gun was called Snotzogga in german 3rd to 6th and then GW changed it to Rotzschokka in 9th? Shocking, right? :O

On a somewhat related note I still know all the lotr ranges in cm and it's a shame they changed it to inch that nobody outside this nerd community knows or understands in germany.

MarkNorfolk wrote:


You know what? People. Just….. people.

Yeah, Solo-play seems better and better to me every year I get older.

Sometimes, when I return from gaming and my family asks how it went I say; "Sometimes, the worst thing about being a nerd, is being around other nerds." However, see my post above on why I get grumpy sometimes and am not always my best self when it comes to gaming.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I'll also go on to explain how the translation of my units changed with every edition whenever I use them. Did you know the Shokk attack gun was called Snotzogga in german 3rd to 6th and then GW changed it to Rotzschokka in 9th? Shocking, right? :O

For those of us who don't speak German, which one is linguisticly correct? Or most correct?

ccs wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:

I'll also go on to explain how the translation of my units changed with every edition whenever I use them. Did you know the Shokk attack gun was called Snotzogga in german 3rd to 6th and then GW changed it to Rotzschokka in 9th? Shocking, right? :O

For those of us who don't speak German, which one is linguisticly correct? Or most correct?

Well, they both have little to do with the english name and are made up words. "Rotz" is the german word for snot (they also introduced "Rotzling" in 10th while leaving Snotling untranslated until then), and "zogga" is not actually a word, so the newer is probably closer to the original and more descriptive. The older one is funnier and the more established one after 30 years.
In any case it's nice they didn't make a literal translation ("Schockangriffskanone") but left it with a fun orkish name.

My irrational irritation is that nobody pronounces made-up Warhammer words correctly, except me.

Mostly due to spending most of my teenage years reading them, but not hearing anyone else say them. And also being Australian.

I will grudgingly accept your strange pronunciation of Tzeentch as "Zench" instead of the appropriately eldritch Tuh-zeen-titch.

I can maybe allow "SlaNEESH" instead of the properly lascivious SLAH-nesh.

I will survive your choice to say "Abba-don" instead of Ah-BAD-don.

I suppose I can admit that calling the city that was hit by a big rock "Mord-hiym" is probably more accurate than Mord-heem.

But the one true pronunciation of Tyranid is Ti-RAN-id, and the 99% of you who say either "TIRRA-nid" or "TIE-ranid" are guilty of the utmost heresy. Let alone the horror of shortening it to "Nids" as if they're an infestation of head lice.

Tyranids are alien dinosaurs. Not bugs, alien dinosaurs. Therefore it's pronounced the same way as 'tyrannosaur', not 'tyranny'. Emphasis on the second syllable.

I will die like a Guardsman on this hill.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mis-matching Dice. Proper irrational.

Not bothered with using different colours for batch rolling. That makes sense.

But when it’s all different colours, and sizes? It just really annoys me.

But... I play Tzeentch! It's fluffy!

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mis-matching Dice. Proper irrational.

Not bothered with using different colours for batch rolling. That makes sense.

But when it’s all different colours, and sizes? It just really annoys me.

But... I play Tzeentch! It's fluffy!

So, it's all a part of your master plan?

My typical response to those who don't love my dice selection is to say, "Wanna buy me some new dice?"

> It is very common for me to get rules mixed up between games and editions of games.

Reminds me of how LOS rules work DIFFERENTLY across different boardgames. LOS between units, particularly when CORNERS are around.

Main problem is squares are conventional (which also affects movement, but not as much) in boardgames.

As for solo play, I'm certainly finding it more convenient. You can start a game when you want, and pause for as long as you want (eg. to paint up some mini's you need to play). Also, solo lets you play more players than you'd normally have, plus mess about with variants. I'm thinking of playing seven players in this four player game...

There's one.
The word 'mini's' with an apostraphe is probably correct. It is just the plural of the shortening of 'miniatures'.
It just looks wrong.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Mis-matching Dice. Proper irrational.

Not bothered with using different colours for batch rolling. That makes sense.

But when it’s all different colours, and sizes? It just really annoys me.

But... I play Tzeentch! It's fluffy!

I just get a bizarre sense my opponent is up to something. Same as the soft rolling of dice in my first offering.

I think it becomes slightly more rational when they’re non-standard D6. For instance, dice with a symbol replacing either the 1 or the 6. Or some having numbers instead of dots. I mean it’s hardly turning reading your score into rocket science, but it is adding additional challenges to knowing what’s what.

But, it’s a less rational thing than being super suspicious when an opponent has specific dice for Ld test type checks. It might well be superstition on their behalf and fair enough. But it’ll always be in the back of my mind that “oh, so those are the one’s loaded for a low roll, yeah?”

Wait, I think I’ve just twigged what makes my soft rolling distaste actually rational. The player that comes to mind with it. Not much fun to engage with. And worse than soft rolling, as soon as the dice hit the table, he’d be gathering up “successes”. Super quickly. So quickly he couldn’t possibly have had time to see what was what.

Which of course, is why you should pick out your failures, not your successes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Which of course, is why you should pick out your failures, not your successes.

Isn't this a rule in most games?

....... another irksome gamer. The player who just stops.

So... is it my turn? Did your batteries run down? What's going on?

Oh, you just needed to stare blankly at the board for 3 minutes while attempting to telepathically connect with me and tell me that you are done with your turn.

Thanks Professor X. I guess I'll go then.

Oh? You're not done? OK. I'll wait, again.

2 minutes later

Okay, I'm going to assume your total lack of movement and silence is an indication that I should start my turn.