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I've seen a lot of anger and dismay at the N&R Horus Heresy Thread, but some folks (myself included) are looking forward to the game.

What are your plans for the game? Are you going to buy the box set? Pick up a Liber or two? Or just wait for the rules to drop before making a decision.?

I don't know, man. I'm not as torn up by the loss of wargear option as others, but I feel like it's a bad indicator, y'know? I'll probably pick up the rulebook and Liber Astartes, but my enthusiasm is dampened, for sure.

I'll continue to pick up some mechanicus models for an OPR project but I'm not interested in the rules side, they just sound worse than 2.0. I'll probably get some 2.0 rulebook for cheap on eBay just because. Looking at 3.0 it looks as if HH 2nd now is the peak of 40Ks old rules framework.

I’m in. And will be keeping my 2nd Ed books, natch.

I'm out for 3rd ed.
I'll still be collecting models, and I'll still be playing games of 2nd ed as often as I can get them. But after the Liber leaks I've lost any remaining enthusiasm I might have had for the new edition. And if Heresy has now joined the edition churn as it appears to have, then I'm not going to grapple with the changes they've made only to have to do-over again in 3 years time.

I’ve flip-flopped a couple of times over this week. Seeing my SW army basically decimated by the list changes was discouraging; luckily it was still WIP. I think I’ll pre-order the new boxed set and the 2 libers, and see how it goes. My Heresy Rogue Trader project will be for 2nd Edition.

I know new editions often attract wailing and gnashing of teeth, but this seems like a mis-step by GW. It’s so frustrating, because the Heresy models are amongst the best they do. I have ridden many, many changes of direction, but the elimination of customisable characters and units from HH (after stripping it out of WH40k) is proving to be hard to swallow.

Hard pass.

The rules are a word jumble mess, and the vast majority of changes that have been added haven't been seen as an improvement. A bunch of my models also got invalidated, so I can't go to events and run a legal army in some cases.

Oh, and the switch to a three-year cycle, along with £16.50 DLC books that are minuscule compared to previous campaign books really soured me.

The only thing that I liked was that Knights can take Mechanicum or human buddies in a list and that does not an edition make.

No definitely not. I will reamin 2.0 and either tweak it.

I'll be giving it a go. There's an OK game beneath those words (so many words, best words ever). The reduction of options is a bit pooh, but let's see what's in the legends pdf, or journals. (The first one does have a Jump Pack Praetor).

Underneath its unhinged AI writing style 3.0 also has some nice advancements - combat statuses, vehicle damage, area terrain, refined weapon statlines... and honestly I like Prime Slots a lot more than I liked Warlord traits - that would be a shame to lose out on.

Ultimately my plan was to go with the edition with the better balance between Marines and non-Marines. And right now it still looks like Mechanicum and Auxilia rules in 3.0 are considerably more ambitious than they were in 2.0. But it seems they fethed up any semblance of balance within Marines, which was pretty unexpected, and it's going mostly along the loyal/traitor divide, and this will counteract any benefit we gain from a stronger Auxilia/Mechanicum.

The cull of options was also unexpectedly brutal, even if I predicted a shift towards No Model No Rules based on the Saturnine rules preview. Culling even options that actually have models is doubly bizarre. The blatant shift of focus away from crafting My Dudes towards just another canned product to consume like a good little drone saps all my desire to engage with it.

What to do? Stay in 2.0 and adopt some 3.0 solutions? Move to 3.0 but keep some 2.0 unit profiles and legion rules? Faction balance is a lot trickier to house rule than general game mechanics. And, as Gert says, anything you do locks you out of playing outside your friend circle.

Best hope, some influencer or tourney organizer with enough of a following to gain traction and who actually knows what they're doing (so not The Outer Circle) makes their own edition that actually gets played by a significant percentage of global Heresy players.

I'm in for 3.0. I still have the old books though, I have all my 40k stuff back since 4th. I do expect a FAQ/errata for some of the stupid stuff, legacies for some of the removed stuff, and will just deal with the rest. The new core rules and mechanics look good, though I am unsure about challenges. Statuses and the seeming massive reduction of rerolls and layers of rules on top of rules on top of rules are major pluses.

I was on the fence till I saw how they screwed both of my armies over, now I have ZERO interest in playing 30(40)k.

It's even gotten to the point where I'm questioning even continuing to build & paint their miniatures. Looks like I'm gonna go back to real world stuff(cars, motorcycles & military) minis.

Nope. The big discussion the last two days with my Heresy group is if anyone actually wants to go forward with 3.0 or just stick with 2.0 and it was universally 'stick with 2.0'.

Once some more rules and Arcane Journals or whatever they are calling the Heresy version are out, we might reassess things in a year or so, but squinting at the contents on the Dropsite Part 1 it isn't looking promising.

It would be interesting if this edition flopped. It’s not something I would necessarily want to see, because it could get HH killed off, but if it made GW’s management a little less focused on pushing out new product at the expense of existing players then that would be a good thing. It’s happened before - 2nd edition Epic flopped because most players hated the rules changes.

I’ve pre ordered the rule book at half price from eBay.
I’ll probably get the Liber Astartes and the Jornal to have a full read but my playing group have all agreed we are staying with 2nd Edition. Hoping we can easily use the scenarios from the Journals with 2nd Edition🤞🏻

I've got the Core box + Heretic book on order (& paid for) at the FLGS.
The worst that'll happen is that I get a bunch of cool new models & waste some time reading a rulebook.

There's a # of people eagerly looking forward to trying this new edition who've never played HH before.

So yes, I expect to be giving this new edition a spin.

There's also people that already play who I know aren't going to rush right out & grab the new books. some of them might never as they're pretty happy with v.2
So I've no plans to get rid of my 2.0 books & expect to still play that edition.

 Snord wrote:
It would be interesting if this edition flopped. It’s not something I would necessarily want to see, because it could get HH killed off, but if it made GW’s management a little less focused on pushing out new product at the expense of existing players then that would be a good thing. It’s happened before - 2nd edition Epic flopped because most players hated the rules changes.

But how would flopping be measured? I bet everyone who sticks with 2.0 will still buy new plastic models. Heck, people who decide to just not play until 4th edition will still buy new plastic models. Just the Libers not moving? Would that be enough for GW to register?

Organised Event attendance is another potential metric. Possibly analysis of hashtags and that.

Not played v.1 or v.2, but my FLGS are getting me the launch box, as I want the minis. Probably won't ever actually play the game, mind.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Organised Event attendance is another potential metric. Possibly analysis of hashtags and that.

Hmm yes, the question is does GW care about that metric as long as the product (except books) is selling?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
But how would flopping be measured? I bet everyone who sticks with 2.0 will still buy new plastic models. Heck, people who decide to just not play until 4th edition will still buy new plastic models. Just the Libers not moving? Would that be enough for GW to register?

Good question. I bet they make huge profits from their paper products, so an unpopular rule set will make a dent. And while many will buy the models regardless (because they are very cool), the sales will presumably still be markedly lower if the rules and libers aren’t selling.

Anyway I just pre-ordered the boxed set and the 2 legion libers. I guess I am ready to go another round…

no. Sticking with 2.0. 3.0 is looking like a complete dumpster fire that someone has been using as a latrine.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Snord wrote:
It would be interesting if this edition flopped. It’s not something I would necessarily want to see, because it could get HH killed off, but if it made GW’s management a little less focused on pushing out new product at the expense of existing players then that would be a good thing. It’s happened before - 2nd edition Epic flopped because most players hated the rules changes.

But how would flopping be measured? I bet everyone who sticks with 2.0 will still buy new plastic models. Heck, people who decide to just not play until 4th edition will still buy new plastic models. Just the Libers not moving? Would that be enough for GW to register?

It'll register. The entire point of this is to sell rulebooks. The models would have sold anyway. I'd expect that the major goal given to the rules writers was "Change everything enough to require that people buy new books".

I bought the rulebook and Liber Astartes, not the starter box. My buy-in was far less than expected at the beginning of the leaks/reveals, but at least I saved money? I guess I can buy MOTU Origins figures for my Kowloon Walled City of a shelf or other minis with that money, lol.

Vanilla 3.0 is a non-starter. It removes simply too much stuff. I'll play either 2.0 or a fan modified 3.0, TBD.

It's a great shame as 3.0 brings some genuine improvements, but at a cost which is not acceptable. On my Maslow's pyramid of Horus Heresy needs, being able to actually use my miniatures in the game comes first. Nothing else matters if that step isn't satisfied. While I did lose less stuff than some others, I have full sympathy for those hit hardest, and I think solidarity with them is important.


I am not to the point where I'll stop buying the models yet, so long as they remain good, but I am not buying the rulebooks this time around.

Well it looks like Knights are best in HH 3.0. They act, fight, and react like Knights should.

I might be switching from 40k to HH.

(Still glad I never bought a Dominus Knight or Canis Rex)

Tentatively jumping in with Solar Auxilia, myself. I’d never even purchased a HH mini until I ordered up a small force a few days ago, to ease myself into the new edition.

Ordered up the rulebook and Liber Auxilia. While I can sympathize with folks who’ve had stuff invalidated, I have none of that baggage and I’m looking forward to playing the game. Looks fun.

 nels1031 wrote:
Tentatively jumping in with Solar Auxilia, myself. I’d never even purchased a HH mini until I ordered up a small force a few days ago, to ease myself into the new edition.

Ordered up the rulebook and Liber Auxilia. While I can sympathize with folks who’ve had stuff invalidated, I have none of that baggage and I’m looking forward to playing the game. Looks fun.

I have the feeling you are exactly GW's target audience. Which I am not saying to attack you in any way - just lamenting that existing players aren't included in that category.

I'll give it a go, but I'm not optimistic about this edition's future. Many of my fellow long-time HH players that I'd hoped would return are not going to do so, and I don't think a game this dense will have widespread appeal.

Undecided. Even if I decide I want to play 3rd, I dont know that I have the mental bandwidth to process the rules as they are written. Im definitely holding on to my 2.0 books and hope that some of my local opponents will stick with it as well. Im thiking ultimately the solution will be to stick with 2.0 while incorporating some of the more forward-thinking features of 3rd into it, unless the legacies and journals tactica fill in some of the gaps that GW created by cutting content.

I think there's gonna be a lot of that.

A divide between new players in 3.0 and the old guard who either stick 2.0 or are lured to 3.0 with the promise of competition and new toys.

I see all the Knight players switching to 3.0 - it's just a better / more fun setup for them. Knights don't feel tacked on.

(Oh, as a side note, Flyers might actually work in 3.0)