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 BorderCountess wrote:

 NivNeos wrote:
I've made some DnD and Heroscape models converted for WH along other model lines.

I'll do you one better: I introduce an actual Space Marine into my campaign. This makes more sense when one understands that the veil of reality was more than a little broken as a result of the previous campaign.

That poor Marine.

Robotech.

Imagine Valkries strongarming Imperial Knights while Cyclones take on Assault Marines and Destroyer Battloids go at it with Dreadnoughts.

 NivNeos wrote:

 BorderCountess wrote:

 NivNeos wrote:
I've made some DnD and Heroscape models converted for WH along other model lines.

I'll do you one better: I introduce an actual Space Marine into my campaign. This makes more sense when one understands that the veil of reality was more than a little broken as a result of the previous campaign.

That poor Marine.

The poor party, who watched him use the little-known brain-eating ability...

 Daia T'Nara wrote:

Crispy78 wrote:
Are the Cenobites not just as near as damn-it dark eldar anyway?

The Dark Eldar think they are, but I feel like it's mostly just cosmetics - like when they put Pinhead into Dead By Daylight, it's not that it's bad, or unwelcome as a Hellraiser fan, but it's not telling a Hellraiser story. I love 'em (most of them... some of them), but they're We've Got Cenobites At Home.

(I do like to daydream about Asdrubael Vect facing off against Priest - but only because Vect has been at the top of my 'desperately needs an ignominious death' list since 3rd edition.)

Well... I'm honestly not that deep into the lore on either side - but on a basic, conceptual level:

They're humanoids but warped / mutated / mutilated.
They're dressed in scary looking outfits between armour and bondage gear.
They're into spikes and chains.
They are from another dimension.
They are ultimate hedonites and do not distinguish between pleasure and pain.
They show up out of nowhere and abduct you for unending torture.

I'm just not convinced adding in the Cenobites really brings anything new to the table. You may feel they're a better version of the Dark Eldar, but it's not really anything different to what we already have in 40K.

Crispy78 wrote:
Well... I'm honestly not that deep into the lore on either side - but on a basic, conceptual level:

They're humanoids but warped / mutated / mutilated.
They're dressed in scary looking outfits between armour and bondage gear.
They're into spikes and chains.
They are from another dimension.
They are ultimate hedonites and do not distinguish between pleasure and pain.
They show up out of nowhere and abduct you for unending torture.

I'm just not convinced adding in the Cenobites really brings anything new to the table. You may feel they're a better version of the Dark Eldar, but it's not really anything different to what we already have in 40K.

Yeah that's what I meant by cosmetics - the Drukhari have the look nailed down (heh), but they're not driven by what drives a Hellraiser story. Cenobites aren't the villans (or from-their-point-of-view protagonists) of Hellraiser, they're just the sharp end of the consequences the human characters bring down upon themselves, for good or ill (usually ill); really, aesthetics aside, you could map a Drukhari onto Frank or Dr. Channard or Roland Voight more than Pinhead/Priest. They're not even really motivated by their own goals, like the Drukhari are by, ultimately, getting their next fix (hi again Frank), despite the pontificating about self-gratification, which they presumably get up to on their own time, the Cenobites revolve wholly around their victims; they're performing a service, really. That's Cenobites on a conceptual level - they bring the circus (and audience participation is not optional) but they're putting on a show for you. It gets muddled since naturally there were a lot of studio execs whose minds immediately leapt to 'hero character must defeat scary-looking monster like Jason and Freddy and stuff' which is how you get Hellraiser 3 (I don't hate Hellraiser 3, but if Shania Twain were a sadomasochist from beyond the grave she'd be the first to point out it's got the moves but it ain't got the touch) but ultimately, in 40k terms, the story would be how far the Inquisitor (or whoever the protagonist is, I just tossed that out there as a starting point) will go, and what happens when they realise they didn't really go into this with the forethought they should've and would like to leave now, but turn around and realise, ah hell, getting out of this mess is going to be a hassle.

(It's telling that when the studio knocked back 'The Hellbound Heart' as the name for the first movie, a middle-aged lady on the production crew suggested 'What A Woman Will Do For A Good F**k', and I don't know that she's ever been identified - probably a set dresser or who knows what - but we all kind of love her for that.)

So if you wanted to make Cenobites a 40k faction, yeah, they'd basically be Drukhari (more just the haemonculi specifically, the nutcase enthusiasts with their hordes of disposable fetish-zombies), but a la Hellraiser 3, that's not really what they're there for. You could equally tell a Hellraiser story in 40k with a Drukhari slotted into the role the Cenobites usually inhabit (I have) and it'd work well enough, just like you could have a genestealer take the xenomorph role and basically remake Alien in 40k. But you'd be tweaking the Drukhari to emphasise the features they inherited from Cenobites, toning down the rest of Drukhari lore that got layered onto them to fit them into existing lore and function as a military force, and losing some of the more overtly fairy-tale elements of the Cenobites like how the material universe is their bitch - since we're talking crossovers, there's no reason to settle for the limited knock-off when you can have the full-flavour real deal.

Well said!

Yeah I can see there's nuances there! Might be something that would work better in a novel or RPG though, rather than on the tabletop.

Daemons of Slaanesh are actually closer to what cenobites do, I'd say.
If you're a naughty eldar, they'll come from their dimension and eat your soul/ bring you to She who thirsts to have some fun, i.e. torture you for all eternity.

40k and interdimentional fortress macross.

transforming airplane/mechs zooming around, giant zintrani aliens stomping around, fun times

slade the sniper wrote:

 tauist wrote:
That's easy. In my heart of hearts, I've always wished 40K would re-connect with the 2000 A.D. people somehow. I still lament the loss of that symbiosis which was lost by 2nd edition..

So, bring Nemesis the Warlock and the ABC Warriors into 40K, and vice versa.

If AI ever gets "good enough" to generate legit feeling 2000 AD / 40K crossover material for me, I'll be in a happy place

Tell me more of this ancient time.

-STS

Sadly, there isn't all that much to go on besides illustrations in the Rogue Trader book. The subject is touched in a thread I made some years ago, well worth a read if you already havent:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/795054.page

All the crossovers in my head are small scale warband vs warband style play- maybe something along the lines of a Boarding Action game, or a Kill Team Narrative campaign.

The Chaos Firestarter dude makes me want to build an Inquisitor Severide and use the Urban Conquest scenario that involves flaming scenery and the rules to put it out.

Buffy is coming back in 2026, and I could see some serious witch-hunting in her name.

Judge Dredd is pretty obvious with three Arbites units, even if they are all made from the same box- honestly, Palatine Enforcers from Necromunda have a more diverse range, and I wish GW had just ported the Arbites into 'Munda so they could do double duty as Agents in 40k.

There's still the potential for GW to smarten up and make a new Repressor, Arbites Bikes and a Judge HQ... If they can bring themselves to stop making more Marines we don't need for 10 damn minutes- those niches haven't been filled by Palatines... yet.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
Daemons of Slaanesh are actually closer to what cenobites do, I'd say.

It's not difficult to see the fall of the Eldar as The Hellbound Heart writ large, yeah. The Drukhari are Frank - escaped, and will do anything to stay escaped. Hellseeker even gives us a parallel of the Craftworlders to Kirsty: got away intact, but don't mistake 'intact' for innocent. (Don't get me wrong, Hellseeker is rubbish, but the idea is sound. I'd rather not go into the comics' take.) The 2022 version would fit right in with Slaaneshi daemons, with their 'all flesh all the time' aesthetic (if we had better daemonette miniatures, anyway).

On another track. a friend in the local gaming group shared an image, which I won't repost because it looked to be AI slop, but it was some kind of extrapolation of that Speed Freaks game adding in Aeldari and Tau on jetbikes and a space marine sat in an adorable go-kart-sized Land Raider - Warhammer Kart needs to be a thing. It'd be 40k's version of Blood Bowl, a slightly skewed alternate universe where all the factions and rivalries at the same, but every conflict is manifested as kart racing for in the grim darkness of the far future there is only speed. I first got into GW when Dark Future was a thing, I really need to go tearassing around the Imperial Palace with a combo of Lelith Hesperax riding a Vincent Black Shadow.