Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thats because its not really a contrast product, its a filter product. Contrast works by flowing away from raised surfaces and pooling into recesses to create highlights. These are, as stated in the video, filter paints - they work by being semi-transparent so that lower layers will show through. This is basically a product made to work with the slapchop method (which, while popular, is a waste of contrast paint and doesn't actually leverage contrasts actual capabilities properly). If you dont zenithal or pre-shade your miniature, you're not going to get very much out of these at all. Where this differs from other filter products on the market is that they have way more color intensity than any other filter paint ive seen (they usually function more like a tint than a paint like this), and also a much broader color range.

This might be a plausible cope if the product wasn't called "1-Step™".

It's not like using a filter over a grisaille/slapchop prime is more steps than using Contrast over the same. It's still 'one step over primer', the way normal people talk about Contrast-style paints.

My issue with the slapchop style has been that it typically results in desaturated minis, because they only hit full opacity at the highest highlights. Contrast can sort of compensate for it through the use of opaque pigments in the mix, but a purely transparent filter like this doesn't have that advantage. You can see in these videos how the result is a yellow that looks very grey/green in the recesses.

I bet this will work fantastically with colored underpainting, though. Say, basecoat pink, zenithal white, apply yellow filter to get a nice rich yellow without any risk of obliterating the underpainting. Is that technically 'one step'? I don't really care.

 catbarf wrote:
It's not like using a filter over a grisaille/slapchop prime is more steps than using Contrast over the same. It's still 'one step over primer', the way normal people talk about Contrast-style paints.

My issue with the slapchop style has been that it typically results in desaturated minis, because they only hit full opacity at the highest highlights. Contrast can sort of compensate for it through the use of opaque pigments in the mix, but a purely transparent filter like this doesn't have that advantage. You can see in these videos how the result is a yellow that looks very grey/green in the recesses.

I bet this will work fantastically with colored underpainting, though. Say, basecoat pink, zenithal white, apply yellow filter to get a nice rich yellow without any risk of obliterating the underpainting. Is that technically 'one step'? I don't really care.

That's the only problem with any kind of transparent yellow over grey/black is that it will turn green due to black actually being blue....

Though some blacks can have a reddish/brown tint to them so that would make yellows go more orange. But since most manufacturers don't put pigment codes on their sprays/bottles (I do on mine) it's hard to tell without testing it first.

You can mitigate that green effect though by going over it again until you increase the opacity with multiple layers. Something I often do with my Alpha paints to make them punch if I need a solid coating, usually two or three passes is all that's needed.

 catbarf wrote:
It's not like using a filter over a grisaille/slapchop prime is more steps than using Contrast over the same. It's still 'one step over primer', the way normal people talk about Contrast-style paints.

I cannot tell which position you're attempting to contravene. My position is that this:

Thats because its not really a contrast product, its a filter product. Contrast works by flowing away from raised surfaces and pooling into recesses to create highlights. These are, as stated in the video, filter paints - they work by being semi-transparent so that lower layers will show through.

...is fraudulent pedantry, and that there is no meaningful difference between a "contrast product" and a "filter product" other than perhaps intensity. All contrast product lines are, in fact, filter products. Every contrast paint line is semi-transparent and designed to allow lower layers to show through.

If you only watch the first 3 minutes of the tutorial, sure, you'll hear him suggest that it's ideal over a zenithal undercoat. If you continue to minute 4, he then describes how the product is meant to settle in recesses. If you're a truly dedicated researcher and clear minute 5(!), he even repeats it. Not to mention every preview referring to 1-Step as "an answer to contrast paints."

...is fraudulent pedantry, and that there is no meaningful difference between a "contrast product" and a "filter product" other than perhaps intensity. All contrast product lines are, in fact, filter products. Every contrast paint line is semi-transparent and designed to allow lower layers to show through.

I wouldn’t call the distinction fraudulent, it’s more a matter of perception and how each painter interprets the behaviour of these products.

To me, contrast paints function like a high‑strength wash or a low‑opacity ink suspended in a slightly thicker medium. They’re semi‑transparent, have controlled viscosity, and rely heavily on underlying value to generate their shading effect.

My Alpha paints and One Step paints behave more like high‑tint, low‑viscosity inks or very thin paints. They’re still effectively filters because they’re transparent, but they don’t create the same dramatic value shifts that Contrast paints do. Instead, they depend more on the underlying zenithal or colour gradient (whether that’s black/white or something like a red/orange ) to establish the shading, while the paint layer primarily pushes the hue.

Pilot Pirx wrote:

 catbarf wrote:
It's not like using a filter over a grisaille/slapchop prime is more steps than using Contrast over the same. It's still 'one step over primer', the way normal people talk about Contrast-style paints.

I cannot tell which position you're attempting to contravene. My position is that this:

Thats because its not really a contrast product, its a filter product. Contrast works by flowing away from raised surfaces and pooling into recesses to create highlights. These are, as stated in the video, filter paints - they work by being semi-transparent so that lower layers will show through.

...is fraudulent pedantry, and that there is no meaningful difference between a "contrast product" and a "filter product" other than perhaps intensity. All contrast product lines are, in fact, filter products. Every contrast paint line is semi-transparent and designed to allow lower layers to show through.

If you only watch the first 3 minutes of the tutorial, sure, you'll hear him suggest that it's ideal over a zenithal undercoat. If you continue to minute 4, he then describes how the product is meant to settle in recesses. If you're a truly dedicated researcher and clear minute 5(!), he even repeats it. Not to mention every preview referring to 1-Step as "an answer to contrast paints."

You clearly don't have the vocabulary or technical understanding of paint to have an educated conversation about this if you don't understand what the technical differences (and when I say technical, I actually mean in terms of scientific chemistry) are between a contrast paint and a filter. Heres a big hint - its a lot more than just the opacity of the pigment.

Also, you're barking up the completely wrong tree if you're accusing me of cope and pedantry. i have no horse in this race.

This might help

INSTAR - Explaining Opacity

chaos0xomega wrote:

You clearly don't have the vocabulary or technical understanding of paint to have an educated conversation about this if you don't understand what the technical differences (and when I say technical, I actually mean in terms of scientific chemistry) are between a contrast paint and a filter. Heres a big hint - its a lot more than just the opacity of the pigment.

Also, you're barking up the completely wrong tree if you're accusing me of cope and pedantry. i have no horse in this race.

Following up an appeal to authority by immediately dropping a reference to “scientific chemistry” is side-splittingly funny. Did you think I would mistake the topic at hand for badminton chemistry or rhinoceros chemistry if you’d just written “chemistry?” Not beating the pedantry accusations, I’m afraid.

You could just watch the video again and admit that you’re wrong. The MH tutorialist says, at least twice, that the paint is designed to be slopped on and to flow into recesses. It is not a dedicated filter paint. It is a type of contrast paint (with its own unique properties, strengths, and weaknesses, like all contrast paint lines feature). Or if you’re too ashamed to watch the video again and hear the burly father figure tell you that you’re wrong, you could just look at the marketing that is obviously presenting it as a contrast product.

 Supershandy wrote:
This might help

INSTAR - Explaining Opacity

This was really interesting to read thank you

 carlos13th wrote:

 Supershandy wrote:
This might help

INSTAR - Explaining Opacity

This was really interesting to read thank you

Thank you

I appreciate the kind words

Supershandy wrote:That's the only problem with any kind of transparent yellow over grey/black is that it will turn green due to black actually being blue....

So what you’re telling me is I need to find a black constrat type called Priest Socks?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Supershandy wrote:That's the only problem with any kind of transparent yellow over grey/black is that it will turn green due to black actually being blue....

So what you’re telling me is I need to find a black constrat type called Priest Socks?

Haha, not quite....I doubt they'd smell nice despite being holey...holy

What you would need is a black that doesn't use the pigment Pbk7 as that's Blue biased, But rather Pbk11 which is Brown biased.

But other than me, I don't know any miniature paint manufacturer that uses that pigment since most don't list them. The good thing is that my stuff can be easily converted into a contrast style paint.

I mean, cost wise for the pigment, it's not prohibitive, but it's an awful lot more per ml.

Stahly has a review video coming soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyRG1-1SNL8

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Stahly has a review video coming soon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyRG1-1SNL8

This was quite an interesting watch.

From the footage, One-Step looks almost like a stronger, less fluid Speedpaint-style product. The moment he touches the shield, the paint seems to leave the brush and actively seek out every recess and detail, but it also appears to give more consistent surface coverage than a lot of traditional contrast style products.

Going back to the comparison with Alpha, I think Fauxhammer summed up the awkward category these types of paints sit in when he said this in his Alpha review:

“But I have been told by Instar they are not Inks but that they are made to bridge the gap between acrylics and inks. I have to wonder, what gap..?”

At the time, I think that was a fair question, because back in 2019 the hobby was still mostly judging these paints through the lens of standard acrylics, inks, washes, or early contrast-style products, rather than as their own category.

Watching this One-Step review though, I think that “gap” is becoming clearer.

To me, Alpha and One-Step seem to be approaching a similar idea from slightly different directions. Speeding up the painting process while keeping more control than a pure contrast/wash product, and more flexibility than a standard acrylics.

I would argue that Alpha probably gives more control straight from the bottle since brush pressure dictates how much colour is applied. One-Step looks like the other side of that idea, more immediate flow, stronger coverage, and faster results if that is what the painter wants.

So I don’t think they are identical products on the face of it, but I do think they sit in a very similar space that still feels largely unexplored. Alpha approached it from the angle of control, mixing, and flexible application, while One-Step seems to approach it from the angle of speed, flow, and stronger immediate coverage. It will be interesting to see how the reception goes, especially now that the market seems much more open to paints that are blurring the line between acrylics, inks, filters, and contrast style products.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have tried several contrast style paints, and these look like the worst tbh.
I don't think anything can honestly beat Speed Paint. They are the king.
The yellow looked flat

My issue with Speed Paint is that they reactivate with other paint. They supposedly solved this with Speedpaint 2.0, but I shouldn't have to pay more money for a fixed product. Assuming that this doesn't get reactivated and you can layer on top of it without having to put a varnish on, I'd actually be interested in this as it looks like a great way for me to be able to get base coats done quickly

 Mrangryork wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have tried several contrast style paints, and these look like the worst tbh.
I don't think anything can honestly beat Speed Paint. They are the king.
The yellow looked flat

My issue with Speed Paint is that they reactivate with other paint. They supposedly solved this with Speedpaint 2.0, but I shouldn't have to pay more money for a fixed product. Assuming that this doesn't get reactivated and you can layer on top of it without having to put a varnish on, I'd actually be interested in this as it looks like a great way for me to be able to get base coats done quickly

that issue was WAY overblown and hasnt been an issue for about 3 years at this point

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Mrangryork wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have tried several contrast style paints, and these look like the worst tbh.
I don't think anything can honestly beat Speed Paint. They are the king.
The yellow looked flat

My issue with Speed Paint is that they reactivate with other paint. They supposedly solved this with Speedpaint 2.0, but I shouldn't have to pay more money for a fixed product. Assuming that this doesn't get reactivated and you can layer on top of it without having to put a varnish on, I'd actually be interested in this as it looks like a great way for me to be able to get base coats done quickly

that issue was WAY overblown and hasnt been an issue for about 3 years at this point

Legitimately, every speed paint that I own has this issue, even ones I bought 2 months ago ( although it could be Old Stock). Every time I've tried to do highlights or layering, it just all mixes and turns into a disgusting blob that doesn't allow me to do layering, and I'd have to blast them with matte varnish every time I want to do multiple coats of stuff. Speed paint doing shading is nice, but I like this because it seems to be a very easy way for me to do a base coat without tons of shading from speed paints. Sure, you can do that normally with regular paint, but it seems to be a much more forgiving process from what the video was showing, especially as someone who is definitely more on the beginner side of things outside of making horrifically Rusty Vehicles. I also like the fact that this appears to be flat, which lets me do my own weathering without having to deal with whatever the speed paint chooses to do, which usually ends up not doing quite what I wanted especially with flesh tones or reds.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
It also looks like it would be pretty good for quickly cranking out Rogue Trader Style miniatures, as they don't have much shading, just mostly highlights with some pinwashing


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Probably the biggest thing will come down to pricing. If it's on a similar price point to normal army painter fanatic paints, or if it'll be like $6 a pot like Games Workshop
( edit ) Looks like they'll be $6, but some people are saying they're 22 ml bottles. Does anyone know if that's true?

Pilot Pirx wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

You clearly don't have the vocabulary or technical understanding of paint to have an educated conversation about this if you don't understand what the technical differences (and when I say technical, I actually mean in terms of scientific chemistry) are between a contrast paint and a filter. Heres a big hint - its a lot more than just the opacity of the pigment.

Also, you're barking up the completely wrong tree if you're accusing me of cope and pedantry. i have no horse in this race.

Following up an appeal to authority by immediately dropping a reference to “scientific chemistry” is side-splittingly funny. Did you think I would mistake the topic at hand for badminton chemistry or rhinoceros chemistry if you’d just written “chemistry?” Not beating the pedantry accusations, I’m afraid.

You could just watch the video again and admit that you’re wrong. The MH tutorialist says, at least twice, that the paint is designed to be slopped on and to flow into recesses. It is not a dedicated filter paint. It is a type of contrast paint (with its own unique properties, strengths, and weaknesses, like all contrast paint lines feature). Or if you’re too ashamed to watch the video again and hear the burly father figure tell you that you’re wrong, you could just look at the marketing that is obviously presenting it as a contrast product.

Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

The point of highlighting the "scientific" part of chemistry is to reinforce the fact that theres *actual* science involved in this discussion with regards to formulations of pigments and mediums, and its not just "pedantry" as you so insist. Again, you're out of your depth.

If you want to talk about appeals to authority - referencing the video and the "MH tutorialist" is it. The video is marketing and nothing more. Calling it a contrast paint is likewise marketing and nothing more. You will note that they also refer to it as a filter in the video. Filter paints and contrast paints are mutually exclusive, filters have existed for decades, have specific use cases and applications, and behave in a specific manner. Contrast is a very different type of product and was pretty much revolutionary when it released for a reason, hence why there are so many imitators now on the market, including from brands that *also* carry products marketed *explicitly* as filters. Experienced and veteran painters and modelers know and understand this.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

You’re citing yourself as an expert on advanced painting and *checks notes* “scientific chemistry” despite being unable to do anything besides vagueposting.

Your tale so far:

“You don’t have the vocabulary or technical understanding of paint to have an educated conversation (but I do, despite not employing any of it in the discussion).”

“You don’t understand the scientifically chemical differences between a filter and a contrast paint (but I do, despite not explaining them).”

“You don’t know why contrast paints and filter paints are mutually exclusive (but I do, despite not explaining why).”

“Filter paints for miniatures have existed for decades (despite me not naming any of them).”

“Filter paints for miniatures have specific use cases and behave in a specific manner, and contrast paint is very different (despite me not saying which, and how, and why).

“There are multiple hobby companies that make separate lines of contrast paint and filter paint (despite me not naming them).”

“There’s actual science (-tific chemistry) involved in the differing formulations of contrasts and filters (despite me not offering any of it).”

Each one of your posts has been a careful, toilsome effort to not say anything specific or back up any of the dubious claims you’ve made with actual verifiable details. The company that makes 1-Step says it’s a contrast type paint. In their tutorial explaining how to use it, they describe the same techniques used for painting with a contrast paint. All of the people interested in buying the product are treating it as a contrast type paint, without being corrected by the manufacturers or other painting experts. The internet’s favourite paint reviewer just reviewed it, referring to it repeatedly as a contrast type paint and using it in the same manner that contrast paints are used, while also describing in detail how existing contrast paint lines leverage a variety of opaque and transparent formulations, sometimes even differing from colour to colour within the very same paint line (I mention this because the closest you seemed to get to saying anything specific about the supposed mutually-exclusive nature of contrast and filter paints was vaguely gesturing towards filters being “semi-transparent”... which dozens of contrast paints also are).

But no, apparently we're meant to trust that you're an experienced and advanced modeler and painter, despite not sharing or describing any of your work on this or other social media sites, and that you're also a Senior Warden in the Lodge of Scientific Chemistry, despite not being able to express any of your claims in plain, clear language. And that all of the above is simply ignorance and m-marketing:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thats because its not really a contrast product, its a filter product.

edit: Please, I'm beggin' ya to draw upon your vast painting experience and the most arcane lore of fcientific chemiftrye, and simply provide a definition of "contrast paint" and "filter paint" that illustrates how they're mutually exclusive and how extant contrast paint lines strictly conform to that definition. Revisiting your vague gesture on the previous page, you seemed to want to say that contrast paint is designed to flow from raised edges to pool into recesses (so it's doubly unfortunate that the MH guy said that's how you use 1-Step). May have to take another tack, now. But you could end this in 100-150 words if you're actually who you'd have us believe you are.

Pilot Pirx wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thats because its not really a contrast product, its a filter product.

edit: Please, I'm beggin' ya to draw upon your vast painting experience and the most arcane lore of fcientific chemiftrye, and simply provide a definition of "contrast paint" and "filter paint" that illustrates how they're mutually exclusive and how extant contrast paint lines strictly conform to that definition. Revisiting your vague gesture on the previous page, you seemed to want to say that contrast paint is designed to flow from raised edges to pool into recesses (so it's doubly unfortunate that the MH guy said that's how you use 1-Step). May have to take another tack, now. But you could end this in 100-150 words if you're actually who you'd have us believe you are.

Stop running a perfectly good thread with categorization errors and appeals to science.

Regular acrylic paints use finely ground pigment to achieve their color. They lie flat on a surface.

Speedpaints use some combination of pigment and dyes to flow across a surface and collect in recesses. They are not necessarily opaque and often act as a filter or a glaze.

Filters are typically translucent dyes that change the tone of the color underneath.

The first 2 differ in character, the third term is an application. Acrylics and dyes can be made into a filter by mixing them with other mediums such as flow aid and drying retardants.

I will buy the Pro Acryl 1 Step paints, but the only value they might have is if it saves me from having to mix my own filters or glazes. At worst they're an interesting novelty.

Pilot Pirx wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Do you even know what an appeal to authority is?

You’re citing yourself as an expert on advanced painting and *checks notes* “scientific chemistry” despite being unable to do anything besides vagueposting.

Your tale so far:

“You don’t have the vocabulary or technical understanding of paint to have an educated conversation (but I do, despite not employing any of it in the discussion).”

“You don’t understand the scientifically chemical differences between a filter and a contrast paint (but I do, despite not explaining them).”

“You don’t know why contrast paints and filter paints are mutually exclusive (but I do, despite not explaining why).”

“Filter paints for miniatures have existed for decades (despite me not naming any of them).”

“Filter paints for miniatures have specific use cases and behave in a specific manner, and contrast paint is very different (despite me not saying which, and how, and why).

“There are multiple hobby companies that make separate lines of contrast paint and filter paint (despite me not naming them).”

“There’s actual science (-tific chemistry) involved in the differing formulations of contrasts and filters (despite me not offering any of it).”

Each one of your posts has been a careful, toilsome effort to not say anything specific or back up any of the dubious claims you’ve made with actual verifiable details. The company that makes 1-Step says it’s a contrast type paint. In their tutorial explaining how to use it, they describe the same techniques used for painting with a contrast paint. All of the people interested in buying the product are treating it as a contrast type paint, without being corrected by the manufacturers or other painting experts. The internet’s favourite paint reviewer just reviewed it, referring to it repeatedly as a contrast type paint and using it in the same manner that contrast paints are used, while also describing in detail how existing contrast paint lines leverage a variety of opaque and transparent formulations, sometimes even differing from colour to colour within the very same paint line (I mention this because the closest you seemed to get to saying anything specific about the supposed mutually-exclusive nature of contrast and filter paints was vaguely gesturing towards filters being “semi-transparent”... which dozens of contrast paints also are).

But no, apparently we're meant to trust that you're an experienced and advanced modeler and painter, despite not sharing or describing any of your work on this or other social media sites, and that you're also a Senior Warden in the Lodge of Scientific Chemistry, despite not being able to express any of your claims in plain, clear language. And that all of the above is simply ignorance and m-marketing:

chaos0xomega wrote:

Thats because its not really a contrast product, its a filter product.

edit: Please, I'm beggin' ya to draw upon your vast painting experience and the most arcane lore of fcientific chemiftrye, and simply provide a definition of "contrast paint" and "filter paint" that illustrates how they're mutually exclusive and how extant contrast paint lines strictly conform to that definition. Revisiting your vague gesture on the previous page, you seemed to want to say that contrast paint is designed to flow from raised edges to pool into recesses (so it's doubly unfortunate that the MH guy said that's how you use 1-Step). May have to take another tack, now. But you could end this in 100-150 words if you're actually who you'd have us believe you are.

Filter: Highly thinned paint featuring pigments often at a ratio of 1:10 to 1:20 (typically paints are in the range of 1:1 to 1:2) of pigment:medium, designed to provide a low-opacity tint or hue (often desaturated, but not necessarily so) over an underlying color or surface in an even application. The mediums in filters are designed to be extremely thin and light bodied compared to most other mediums, with half the viscosity or less of those typically used in the mediums found in inks and wash paints (which otherwise are typically between 1:4 and 1:10 ratio pigment:medium). The formulation of the mediums used in filters are designed to maintain sufficient surface tension despite their low viscosity so as to allow the filter to spread evenly across the surface without significant pooling into recesses and depressed areas as is typical in washes, shades, inks, and contrast products. Due to the highly translucent nature of the paint, even significant pooling into recessed areas will result in limited/minimal shading. Filters are also sometimes referred to as "candies" or "candy coats", particularly when they are high gloss finish and used over a metallic undercoat. Repeated applications/layers of a filter tends to result in increased homogenization of the tint being applied as the color will essentially self-level itself out.

Contrast/Speedpaint: Highly thinned paint featuring pigments or dyes typically in the range of 1:3 to 1:8 of pigment:medium or dye:carrier (formulations vary), designed to provide highly saturated coloration over a lighter colored underlying surface. The mediums in these paints are typically semi-opaque to opaque and designed to have a lower viscosity than typical paints, typically on par with those found in inks and washes, with a low surface tension (in contrast to filters) allowing the paint to flow away from raised areas and pool into recessed areas. Due to the semi-opaque nature of the paint and the higher pigment loading vs filters, the pooling effect can cause significant shading of recessed areas, while the low surface tension causes raised areas to receive only minimal tinting resulting in natural highlighting. Repeated applications/layering will tend to result in darkening of the color and an enhancement of the shade effects intensity.

Had you not been so unnaturally combative and cretinous right out of the gate on this topic with your bizarre accusations of "cope" and asked for a clarification or explanation, you might have received that sooner.

As for your ongoing appeal to MH's marketing, they keep using the term filter, as well as contrast, despite those being two different things. In actual application in every video demonstrated thus far, the paint behaves more as a filter than it does as contrast, despite their claims otherwise. The paint demonstrates a higher surface tension, as is the case with filters, resulting in relatively even coating and a lack of flow away from raised surfaces, combined with a lack of apparent pooling in recessed areas - if such pooling is occurring it is so minimal as to not be obvious in any of the video or photography where the majority of the shading is being providing by zenithal/slapchop shading in recessed areas. Stahly's review also highlights that one-step tends to provide a more uniform even coverage along the lines of a filter product in his review.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
It also looks like it would be pretty good for quickly cranking out Rogue Trader Style miniatures, as they don't have much shading, just mostly highlights with some pinwashing


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Probably the biggest thing will come down to pricing. If it's on a similar price point to normal army painter fanatic paints, or if it'll be like $6 a pot like Games Workshop
( edit ) Looks like they'll be $6, but some people are saying they're 22 ml bottles. Does anyone know if that's true?

All of the Pro Acryl paints are 22 ml.

£4.41 a bottle?

And that's not even including the import charges at that point!

Christ.....

 Supershandy wrote:
£4.41 a bottle?

And that's not even including the import charges at that point!

Christ.....

You're in the same boat as me, but it's Coat d'arms paint for me. $4.50 usd isnt too bad per pot, but even coming from Canada, it's like $20 to $30 in import fees and shipping only! (17.10 euros to 25.65 euros)

 Mrangryork wrote:

 Supershandy wrote:
£4.41 a bottle?

And that's not even including the import charges at that point!

Christ.....

You're in the same boat as me, but it's Coat d'arms paint for me. $4.50 usd isnt too bad per pot, but even coming from Canada, it's like $20 to $30 in import fees and shipping only! (17.10 euros to 25.65 euros)

Oh no I'm a paint manufacturer with a product similar to this that I released seven years ago, but I don't even charge anywhere this and you need far less!

I appreciate that shipping cost and import does add on a bit but jeez...... :O

chaos0xomega wrote:

The paint demonstrates a higher surface tension, as is the case with filters, resulting in relatively even coating and a lack of flow away from raised surfaces, combined with a lack of apparent pooling in recessed areas - if such pooling is occurring it is so minimal as to not be obvious in any of the video or photography where the majority of the shading is being providing by zenithal/slapchop shading in recessed areas. Stahly's review also highlights that one-step tends to provide a more uniform even coverage along the lines of a filter product in his review.

lmao Stahly has now changed the title of his video to "Pro Acryl finally made their Contrast paint, and it's actually different" (making it even more explicit that he considers this a type of contrast paint). The original title was "1step is not just another Contrast clone, and that's the point."

He repeatedly describes 1step's opacity (which according to you is a quality more associated with contrast paints, compared to the translucence required of filters). He does not describe it as creating uniform coverage that retains transparency. You have obliterated his actual description of the paint by vagueifying it.

In fact, here is a verbatim quotation from the review where he expresses that other speedcoat brands that are more universally transparent than 1step and are better for filters.

Here, I'm painting the face with pure [1step] Shadow Flesh and you can see how the opaque pigment overpowers the darker areas. For slapchop or zenithal pre-shading, one coat paints without opaque pigments using pure dye work better in my opinion. They're more transparent and act more like a color filter that doesn't cover the dark areas.

So he considers variable transparency to be a quality of all contrast paint brands, that fluctuates without un-defining them as contrast paints, and thinks other brands of contrast paint are better filter products than 1step. I guess you can carry on as the only guy in the world who thinks filters and contrasts are mutually-exclusive. The people who design and sell the paints don't think that, and the people who use and review the paints don't think that, but you can fry forever atop that hill. That's what pedantry is.