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Ravenwing Landspeeder was a beast.

Not only a preferable loadout of HB and Assault Cannon? But the Ravenwing rules made it a real terror. Basically just floor it, keep it floored, and enjoy a really hefty BS modifier for your opponent.

With the size of 2nd Ed armies? In just a turn or two, a single Ravenwind Landspeeder could really denude the enemy forces.

It did however somewhat struggle against Tanks though. But you can’t have everything.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Nice article on the lineage of the Land Speeder - though if you're going to say "the OG is back" when describing the upcoming one, why can't I see the crew's knees?

To be fair, the RT one was not around for very long. And was a bit silly. The plastic one from the 3rd starter had a long run. It was recut once with new bits, but kept the same look for decades.

If you don't mean the actual OG, though, simply don't say that "the OG is back"... silly marketing people.

 Grimskul wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uwdimgen/new40k-rules-da-biggest-and-best-orks-in-da-box/

New datasheets are out for the Ork leaders in the box. Biggest changes seem to primarily for the Warboss, his Kustom Choppa went up to AP-2 and an extra attack alongside the teased Cleave rule. Will definitely be more of a choice alongside the Power Klaw now, depending on what the enhancements look like.

Existing models look largely the same outside of that, the Big Boss is pretty underwhelming since you're largely taking him for the Sustained Hits 1, which implies changes to War Horde or it being removed as a detachment. Banner Nob's utility will depend on how aggressively or conservatively they price him.

The Painboy lost his power klaw, but just randomly stayed S9 regardless...

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/uwdimgen/new40k-rules-da-biggest-and-best-orks-in-da-box/

New datasheets are out for the Ork leaders in the box. Biggest changes seem to primarily for the Warboss, his Kustom Choppa went up to AP-2 and an extra attack alongside the teased Cleave rule. Will definitely be more of a choice alongside the Power Klaw now, depending on what the enhancements look like.

Existing models look largely the same outside of that, the Big Boss is pretty underwhelming since you're largely taking him for the Sustained Hits 1, which implies changes to War Horde or it being removed as a detachment. Banner Nob's utility will depend on how aggressively or conservatively they price him.

The Painboy lost his power klaw, but just randomly stayed S9 regardless...

I feel like the Power Klaw just got renamed as Dok's Tools since GW doesn't trust players to see the difference on the model. I'm just glad it has a decent combat profile at all tbh.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ka6kjyka/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-thousand-sons/

Thousand Sons faction focus. So, haivng introduced 'non-KEYWORD' terminology in the Drukhari article, now the Thousand Sons detachment has to have (excluding MONSTER units) in its text, rather than just use 'non-MONSTER'. I see that GW hasn't improved on the consistency front.

As a TS player these detachments seem like they could be good. However I am curious how much of a tax the sorcerers will get given psychic ignores modifiers (which still doesn't help the robots all that much with torrent unless it is wounding as well which is not confirmed)

 xeen wrote:
As a TS player these detachments seem like they could be good. However I am curious how much of a tax the sorcerers will get given psychic ignores modifiers (which still doesn't help the robots all that much with torrent unless it is wounding as well which is not confirmed)

I think it’s only to hit rolls. But both ranged and melee? So no real use on torrent weapons, but can help in slap fights?

 xeen wrote:
As a TS player these detachments seem like they could be good. However I am curious how much of a tax the sorcerers will get given psychic ignores modifiers (which still doesn't help the robots all that much with torrent unless it is wounding as well which is not confirmed)

Combining either of these non-Tzaangor detachments with Grand Coven will be awesome. Imagine the robots benefitting from Grand Coven's 'doctrines'.

 BorderCountess wrote:

 xeen wrote:
As a TS player these detachments seem like they could be good. However I am curious how much of a tax the sorcerers will get given psychic ignores modifiers (which still doesn't help the robots all that much with torrent unless it is wounding as well which is not confirmed)

Combining either of these non-Tzaangor detachments with Grand Coven will be awesome. Imagine the robots benefitting from Grand Coven's 'doctrines'.

Ahhh... so you are going to be playing with the robots after all.

Oh, and looking at the Psychic keyword, I think TS and Grey Knights are going to be awesome in this new edition.

Stopped playing in 8th, and only loosely followed the rules change since then, but goddam, didnt realised had became so gimmicky. Pretty much a tabletop version of magic at this point.

Terrible. Simply terrible

 streetsamurai wrote:
Stopped playing in 8th, and only loosely followed the rules change since then, but goddam, didnt realised had became so gimmicky. Pretty much a tabletop version of magic at this point.

Terrible. Simply terrible

It's definitely changed a lot. I was hoping that 30k would essentially serve as the alternative for those who preferred the old way, but that's uncertain with it now also receiving 3 year editions.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/okslab8z/sunday-preview-prepare-to-enter-the-hive/

GW wrote:It’s the Sunday Preview – the place where we reveal all the things coming up for pre-order next week. But today it’s… pretty quiet around here.
In fact, there are no new goodies up for pre-order next week. It’s almost like it’s the calm before a storm. In the meantime, break out your brushes and get painting!

Pretty strong hint that next Sunday might be the day for the 11th release announcement.

Here on Warhammer Community, we’ll be watching the first games of the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, and our Faction Focus series reaches the home stretch – with Genestealer Cults tomorrow through to Necrons at the end of the week.

Always fun to try to glean new rules from battle reports. How many more factions we have left to review?

 Nevelon wrote:
Always fun to try to glean new rules from battle reports. How many more factions we have left to review?

Guess I should check, but off the top my head - GSC, Necrons, Eldar, Ad Mech & Votann.

Tyel wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Always fun to try to glean new rules from battle reports. How many more factions we have left to review?

Guess I should check, but off the top my head - GSC, Necrons, Eldar, Ad Mech & Votann.

If that’s all that’s left, we’ve got the week sorted.

 Nevelon wrote:

Tyel wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Always fun to try to glean new rules from battle reports. How many more factions we have left to review?

Guess I should check, but off the top my head - GSC, Necrons, Eldar, Ad Mech & Votann.

If that’s all that’s left, we’ve got the week sorted.

GSC on Monday, Necrons on Friday from the Sunday preview article.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Stopped playing in 8th, and only loosely followed the rules change since then, but goddam, didnt realised had became so gimmicky. Pretty much a tabletop version of magic at this point.

Terrible. Simply terrible

What does this mean? Starting with where you normally play magic if not the tabletop.

Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

 Nevelon wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/7sbdglda/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-drukhari/

Sustained hits against non-monster/vehicles!

Lethal hits against non-monster/vehicles!

Such boundless creativity!

 Gert wrote:
Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

I though that was Warmahordes.

First live game of 11th Ed is about to stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s5P5mSN3m0

Aside, does anyone else find the current formatting of Stratagems obnoxious to parse?

I'm sure they've done it to try and avoid ambiguity but it reads like something that's been badly translated from another language.

Don't have YouTube at work, how'd the game go?

 Gert wrote:
Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

Okay, so what does THAT mean?

 Rihgu wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

Okay, so what does THAT mean?

It supposedly means that the game is incredibly complex with over 100 pages of dense rules and contradicting errata.

For those with legal backgrounds, go download all the mtg rules.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

Okay, so what does THAT mean?

It supposedly means that the game is incredibly complex with over 100 pages of dense rules and contradicting errata.

For those with legal backgrounds, go download all the mtg rules.

Magic the Gathering rules are dense, but they're NOT contradictory. There is not, to my knowledge, a situation within the game that the rules can't resolve. (Maybe something with an UnCard might not be covered, but those are explicitly not legal for play.)

 Rihgu wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

Okay, so what does THAT mean?

It's a way of describing the perception that modern 40K derives its depth/tactics more from abstract resource mechanics, bespoke special abilities, and ability synergies- all typical characteristics of CCGs- than from core rules and WYSIWYG wargear/upgrades as in earlier editions or traditional wargames.

It isn't really about complexity per se. The core rules of 40K have certainly gotten simpler, it's all the other stuff that re-adds mental load.

The stuff about errata is definitely on point though. I am glad 11th edition fixed the "stand 1" away from a wall to become untouchable by melee" cheese because it was beyond ridiculous to witness.

Did anyone watch any/all the games to glean info? I was half listening to the first, but was distracted. They did mention something a out fast rolling and wound allocation that sounded new.

 catbarf wrote:

 Rihgu wrote:

 Gert wrote:
Pretty obvious they mean it's the TTWG equivalent of Magic i.e. Magic with Toy Soldiers.

Okay, so what does THAT mean?

It's a way of describing the perception that modern 40K derives its depth/tactics more from abstract resource mechanics, bespoke special abilities, and ability synergies- all typical characteristics of CCGs- than from core rules and WYSIWYG wargear/upgrades as in earlier editions or traditional wargames.

It isn't really about complexity per se. The core rules of 40K have certainly gotten simpler, it's all the other stuff that re-adds mental load.

Thank you. That was a much better expanation than i could have given

Modern Warhammer 40k, even the people that likes it, will tell you its a very tactically shallow game.

Its "ingame tactics" dont come from realistic wargaming simulation but out of abstract gamey tabletop rules. Its all about counting inches, dancing, LOS blocking terrain, pile ins, consolidations. Its a ugly game to watch and to play at top level.

It lacks any of the amount of tactics you would expect of a proper squad level wargame: Cover fire, supression, smoke screens, running from cover to cover, anti-tank vs tanks and all the tactical implications of vehicles, morale, etc... plus the fantasy rules one would expect from warhammer: powerfull but dangerous psychic rules, duels and characters dunking on challenges, etc...

So when you play Warhammer 40k in today day and age you dont feel you are playing a game thats trying to simulate a battle (Thats what a wargame is) but you feel like you are playing a card game: I activate my Ballistarus Dreadnought and I use this power on it, he shots and kills your unit, now you'll shoot and kill it on your next turn, trading in my favour.