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The alarmingly high number of power armor wearing monkeys is just too high for me. I am retiring the 8th Cadian (Whom has won me 13 battles) and bringing out a new, slightly modified regiment in the 712 Navarrian Verti-Assault Regiment.

 

 

712th Navarrian Verti-Assault Regiment

RESTRICTED TROOPS: Storm troopers.
SKILLS AND DRILLS: Close Order Drill, Sharpshooters.
SPECIAL EQUIPMENT: N/A
ALTERNATE ORGANIZATION: Grenadiers.

PREFERRED SPECIAL WEAPON: Plasma Gun
PREFERRED HEAVY WEAPON: Lascannons

2000 Pts - Imperial Guard Roster - 712th Navarrian

HQ: Cadian Command Platoon (26#, 528 Pts)
   0 Cadian Command Platoon @ 528 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [78] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [65] Pts
            Honorifica Imperialis; Power Fist; Laspistol
            1 Honorifica Imperialis @ [25] Pts
         3 Guardsmen @ [13] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x3)
            1 Medic @ [13] Pts
               Medi-pack; Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon
      6 Anti-Tank Squad @ [120] Pts
         Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x3); Lascannon (x3)
      6 Anti-Tank Squad @ [120] Pts
         Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x3); Lascannon (x3)
      6 Fire Support Squad @ [105] Pts
         Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x3); Autocannon (x3)
      6 Fire Support Squad @ [105] Pts
         Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x3); Autocannon (x3)

HQ: Ursarkar E. Creed (2#, 125 Pts)
   1 Ursarkar E. Creed @ 125 Pts
      Carapace Armour; Refractor Field; Trademark Item; Hellpistol (x2)
      1 Carapace Armour @ [0] Pts
      1 Refractor Field @ [0] Pts
      1 Trademark Item @ [0] Pts
      1 Jarren Kell @ [0] Pts
         Carapace Armour; Medallion Crimson; Regimental Standard; Power Fist; Power Weapon
         1 Carapace Armour @ [0] Pts
         1 Medallion Crimson @ [0] Pts
         1 Regimental Standard @ [0] Pts

Troops: Cadian Infantry Platoon (31#, 261 Pts)
   0 Cadian Infantry Platoon @ 271 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [61] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [61] Pts
            Bolt Pistol; CWW
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x8); Plasmagun
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x8); Plasmagun
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x8); Plasmagun
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Troops: Cadian Infantry Platoon (31#, 261 Pts)
   0 Cadian Infantry Platoon @ 271 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [61] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [61] Pts
            Bolt Pistol; CCW
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x8); Plasmagun
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x8); Plasmagun
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [70] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x8); Plasmagun
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ [11] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ [11] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ [11] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (1#, 155 Pts)
   1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
      Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
   1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
      Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Basilisk (1#, 125 Pts)
   1 Basilisk @ 125 Pts
      Earthshaker Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter; Indirect Fire Capability

Total Roster Cost: 2000 (Even)

Concept: Static, Static, Static! Main difference from my current 2,000 Army is the (other than color, name) fact that I am using all plasma instead of grenade launchers. My current army fields 6 plasma guns in the form of 3 Kasrkin squads, this one fields 12 in the form of Kasrkins + Guardsman.

The other significant difference is the dropping of my (OMG!!) Vox-Casters. Everybody, and I mean everybody has told me this is a waste and I fully agree now. I never, ever break my command bubble so I don't see the need to pay 100+ points on a master vox + network.

This list is also very interchangeable - Drop the 6 autocannons for 6 HBs, which lets me trade in the bassie for a 3rd LR, drop the 6 autocannons plus the 12 plasma guns and that lets me get 1, maybe TWO Demolishers. The above interchangeablity is mainly being kept in mind for horde armies.

Opinions? Flames? Fire at will!

Why did you take grenadiers if you have none in your army?
Why would you have your kasrkin be static instead of infiltrating or dropping? Or mechanized?
Why do you not have lascannons in your troop squads?
No Iron Discipline? No Standard for the HQ?

You've got a lot of points in HW squads that are going to be squishy targets. Consider revising HW distribution.

The AT squads have got to go. 120x2=240, which is almost enough for ten lascannon. Instead you get six, in small, vulnerable squads with three ablative wounds each. Don't rip yourself off. Put thos lascannon in the infantry - well, it'd have to be the infantry and the command squads probably - especially if, as you state, you're playing a traditional stationary IG line.

I understand your list will probably end up containing the Kasrkin models, especially if they are part of your original purchase. Be sure to hide them behind your line squads, as they are per model more of a loss than an ordinary Guardsmen. I'm not sure if there is an FAQ on it, but Usarkar is dodgy for two reasons: 1) you're not using Cadian doctrines and 2) you could spend those points on more infantry. Basically, if you're bent on using Creed, at least take Cadian doctrines. I wouldn't call Creed's rules a good enough reason to go Cadian - unlike, for instance, Imperial Fists and Lysander. A better reason to take Creed would be that you love Cadian fluff - but except for those autocannon support squads there's no evidence in your list of that.

Thumbs up on your choice of tanks. You took just about the best loadout. Have you considered playing AC? (not sar) The reason is just that your infantry looks terrible while your vehicles are all great picks. If this list is pre-buy, I would strongly advise just buying lots of vehicles to support your Kasrkin as a vehicle heavy army allows the OPTION of a more mobile strategy. If AC doesn't sound like your cup of team, the basic guard list can do it fairly well as well. Chimmies are nice little IFVs. I like to think of them as baby Predator Destructors - worse AV, worse BS, and worse S; but fewer points and about the same number of dice.

Agreed with all of the above, especially the HW distribution.
By dropping the HW support squads and putting the HWs in your line squads, you add ablative wounds to your heavies AND save some points to add more squads to get the rest of your weapons in the list.

BTW, you meant a Flag instead of Medic in your CHQ right?

The Kasrkins do infiltrate.
I don't have them in my line squads because I like having the option to move and shoot.
I don't need a standard due to having Jarren Kell
I have a Medic because I don't need a standard bearer.
I never seen Iron Discipline be of use. But Creed already has it, I take Grenadiers because my citifight army has 9 Kasrkin squads..

I can use Creed but he is of course going to be renamed to a character which fits my fluff, as will Jarran Kell so I won't have a problem - It also states he can be included in ANY Imperial Guard Army of 1,500pts or more.

Few questions - Can an indirect fire bassie fire directly? Also, the other reason why I have heavy weapons OUTSIDE of squads is due to the size of the base, as well as the fact that if I fire one of those lascannons at a tank my plasma can not shoot. Also, I don't have sharpshooters in my line squads. Another thing, Are ACs worth it? I have them to deal with medium armor, should I drop em for HBs? I do currently have a Cadian 8th list, I will be stripping and repainting my army to make this new one. It's fundamentally the same minus the grenade launchers and vox casters.

I'd like to get the lascannons in squad, whats a good way to model them onto single bases firing prone from a bipod?

2000 Pts - Cadian Shock Troops Roster - Unnamed

Troops: Cadian Infantry Platoon (51#, 566 Pts)
   0 Cadian Infantry Platoon @ 566 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [41] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [41] Pts
            Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW

Troops: Cadian Infantry Platoon (51#, 566 Pts)
   0 Cadian Infantry Platoon @ 566 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [41] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [41] Pts
            Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [105] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Sharpshooters; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Sharpshooters; Laspistol & CCW

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ [11] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ [11] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ [11] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

HQ: Ursarkar E. Creed (2#, 125 Pts)
   1 Ursarkar E. Creed @ 125 Pts
      Carapace Armour; Refractor Field; Trademark Item; Hellpistol (x2)
      1 Carapace Armour @ [0] Pts
      1 Refractor Field @ [0] Pts
      1 Trademark Item @ [0] Pts
      1 Jarren Kell @ [0] Pts
         Carapace Armour; Medallion Crimson; Regimental Standard; Power Fist; Power Weapon
         1 Carapace Armour @ [0] Pts
         1 Medallion Crimson @ [0] Pts
         1 Regimental Standard @ [0] Pts

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (1#, 155 Pts)
   1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
      Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
   1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
      Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Total Roster Cost: 1957

- Now what?

Assuming Creed and Kell are there to stay: I'd ditch Sharp Shooters and get either another Russ; or Iron Discipline for the officers plus a Standard Veteran for the CHQ, and either a Basilisk with IF, or a pair of Special Weapons Squads with Drop Troops and demo charges and an HI and power sword for one of the PHQs - LD10 WS4 A4 I5 with a power weapon for 70 points, he's an honorary Howling Banshee. Creed'd be using his IC status to skulk behind the gunline denying points. It might be worthwhile to include a remnant squad for Kell to give him +1 LD in COD to benefit his command rule - it's 30 points and they can always be abandoned. Also, you ought to be prepared to play the occasional person who won't allow Creed to use the Command Rule he doesn't have according to RAW, unless I'm missing an FAQ.

I digress, however. In a nutshell, another pie plate is a lot better than rerolling a few ones.

2000Pts - Imperial Guard Roster - 712 Navorrian Verti-Assault Regiment

HQ: Ursarkar E. Creed (2#, 125 Pts)
   1 Ursarkar E. Creed @ 125 Pts
      Carapace Armour; Refractor Field; Trademark Item; Hellpistol (x2)
      1 Carapace Armour @ [0] Pts
      1 Refractor Field @ [0] Pts
      1 Trademark Item @ [0] Pts
      1 Jarren Kell @ [0] Pts
         Carapace Armour; Medallion Crimson; Regimental Standard; Power Fist; Power Weapon
         1 Carapace Armour @ [0] Pts
         1 Medallion Crimson @ [0] Pts
         1 Regimental Standard @ [0] Pts

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 525 Pts)
   0 Infantry Platoon @ 525 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [50] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [50] Pts
            Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 525 Pts)
   0 Infantry Platoon @ 525 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [50] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [50] Pts
            Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ ?] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ ?] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
   9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
      Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
      1 Sergeant @ ?] Pts
         Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (1#, 155 Pts)
   1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
      Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
   1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
      Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Basilisk (1#, 125 Pts)
   1 Basilisk @ 125 Pts
      Earthshaker Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter; Indirect Fire Capability

Total Roster Cost: 2000pts

How's that look?

Actually it says they can be used in any Cadian army. Techincally that would be an army that either uses the Cadian doctrines as found on page 58 of Codex Imperial Guard or no doctrines at all.

What a waste of money he was then.

You can always use the model as a generic officer.

YET ANOTHER REVISION!

2000Pts - Imperial Guard Roster - 712 Navorrian Verti-Assault Regiment

HQ: Command Platoon (2#, 125 Pts)
0 Command Platoon @ 125 Pts
0 Command Squad @ [126] Pts
1 Junior Officer @ [75] Pts
Honorifica Imperialis; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol
1 Honorifica Imperialis @ [25] Pts
3 Guardsmen @ [51] Pts
Plasmagun (x3)
1 Standard Bearer @ [21] Pts
Plasma Pistol


Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 525 Pts)
0 Infantry Platoon @ 525 Pts
0 Command Squad @ [50] Pts
1 Junior Officer @ [50] Pts
Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol
4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
Laspistol & CCW (x4)
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 525 Pts)
0 Infantry Platoon @ 525 Pts
0 Command Squad @ [50] Pts
1 Junior Officer @ [50] Pts
Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol
4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
Laspistol & CCW (x4)
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW
9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
Laspistol & CCW

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
1 Sergeant @ ?] Pts
Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
1 Sergeant @ ?] Pts
Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Elite: Kasrkin (10#, 130 Pts)
9 Kasrkin @ 130 Pts
Hellgun w/targeter (x7); Plasmagun (x2); Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades
1 Sergeant @ ?] Pts
Close Combat Weapon; Hellpistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (1#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Basilisk (1#, 125 Pts)
1 Basilisk @ 125 Pts
Earthshaker Cannon; Hull Heavy Bolter; Indirect Fire Capability

Total Roster Cost: 2000pts

Total Plasma Count - 23

Total LasCannon Count - 10

How's this list? Think it's final now or can I polish it some more?

That last one is looking pretty good. I'd recomend ditching all of the plasma pistols from your officer corps and giving one of your PHQs 4 plasma guns for some rapid response type shooting. Also, your kasrkin squads are too big IMO, especially since they are not infiltrating or DSing. As is, they are short ranged guardsmen with mag flashlights. If you cut them down to 6 men apice, that would net you 120 points; enough to buy yourself either another platoon command (split up your mondo platoons) or 2 units of 6 rough riders. Or you could get a hellhound. Mmmm...toasty...

cheers

Drop the kasirkin, take the hardened vet doctrine, as well as drop troops, and replace kasirkin with 3 5 man vet squads with either plas or melta, your choice, deep striking if need be.. Right now those Kasirkin squads are too big, and vets can have more special weapons, and you'll save 55 pts. a squad.

Drop the plasma from the CHQ, and instead, add 3 flamers to each PHQ.

Like ether said, drop plasma pistols from officers.

The Kasrkin's ARE infiltrating - Only reason I won't drop them (not to say you are not right) is because I just bought em' - Also, dropping plasma pistols and getting flamers on my CHQs? Or, more plasma rifles?

SEE MY LAST POST

??????????

How is this list going to kill infantry? Where's the Iron Discipline? Why 10-man Vet units? That's a waste of 96 points - you can get another squad for that! 13 Lascannons is unnecessary. You don't even need 10... 8 will do.

BYE

2000Pts - Imperial Guard Roster - 712 Navorrian Verti-Assault Regiment

HQ: Command Platoon (2#, 81 Pts)
   0 Command Platoon @ 81 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [81] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [70] Pts
            Iron Discipline; Honorifica Imperialis; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol
            1 Honorifica Imperialis @ [25] Pts
         3 Guardsmen @ [11] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x3)
            1 Standard Bearer @ [11] Pts

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 520 Pts)
   0 Infantry Platoon @ 520 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [45] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [45] Pts
            Iron Discipline; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 520 Pts)
   0 Infantry Platoon @ 520 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [45] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [45] Pts
            Iron Discipline; Close Combat Weapon; Laspistol
         4 Guardsmen @ [0] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x4)
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Elite: Hardened Veterans (10#, 140 Pts)
   9 Hardened Veterans @ 140 Pts
      Lasgun (x5); Plasmagun (x3); Lascannon
      1 Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
         Lasgun

Elite: Hardened Veterans (10#, 140 Pts)
   9 Hardened Veterans @ 140 Pts
      Lasgun (x5); Plasmagun (x3); Lascannon
      1 Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
         Lasgun

Elite: Hardened Veterans (10#, 140 Pts)
   9 Hardened Veterans @ 140 Pts
      Lasgun (x5); Plasmagun (x3); Lascannon
      1 Veteran Sergeant @ [13] Pts
         Lasgun

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (1#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Total Roster Cost: 2000pts

Total Plasma Count - 19

Total LasCannon Count - 13

I dropped all power weapons and bolt pistols so that I could have Iron Disicpline, how's it look now? Also, is ID really that good? What's it do specifically? I know the rules, but I don't know how it plays out on the tabletop since I am still fairly new. Also, are the Leman Russes really not good at anti-infantry? And, reason I have the max-squad of veterans is mainly fluff, plus I like having full squads all the time... kinda weird I now.

Ok, convert 4 of your Las/Plas squads into HB/Flamer squads. It'll give you 40 wounds of cannon fodder and a few more anti-infantry guns. Russes are good at anti-infantry. The H-Vets will be target number 1 for any savvy player. 140 VP's from a 10-man H-Vet unit or 95 from a 10-man Infantry unit? Guess which one they'll shoot.

H-Vets are good because you can get 3 BS4 Special Weapons and Deep Strike them. That's pretty much all they do.

BYE

Gotcha, and since you seem very well versed in IG HBMC, is having my Heavy Weapons in fire support / anti-tank platoons generally bad, and a waste? I would think the option to shoot at tanks with the LCs as opposed to wasting an Infantry squad to do it would be better, or am I wrong? Share with me your veteran knowledge.

Your list is coming along nicely. Its one of the better lists that I have seen in here for IG.

giving 4 plasma to your PHQ and drop trooping them in can be nasty. Remember they are suicude squads though. Also EXCELLENT choice replacing the Stormies with vets, vets are FAR better. Another thing you could do is replace some of you LC squads with ML because they are a few points cheaper yet still rip throgh marine armor and give you flexibility to go frag for horde armies. However, what you have here will also work. I really like this list. I would listen o HBMC and get some HB's in there somwhere.

You probably wont need to tool it up much more.

My only advice would be to give you Vets shotguns (its free) instead of lasguns cause they are assault 2, 12" s3 ap -. Assault 2 is a little better than rapid fire if you ask me.

Either way I think you are set here. Let me know how it goes.

Just make sure you added correctly you have about 195 models and a lot of fire power it seems under priced for some reason. I might be wrong though.

Posted By H.B.M.C. on 01/17/2007 1:15 AM

convert...your Las/Plas squads into HB/Flamer squads

I never thought I'd see that posted by H!  

well, 13 lascannons is a bit much. the list does lack counter charge capabilities, and i suggest after replacing some las/plas squads with hb/flame, use the leftover pts. to invest in a max. of 3 flamers for your platoon command squads.

2000Pts - Imperial Guard Roster - 712 Navorrian Verti-Assault Regiment

HQ: Command Platoon (1#, 86 Pts)
   0 Command Platoon @ 81 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [81] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [71] Pts
            Honorifica Imperialis; Iron Discipline; Bolt Pistol; Power Weapon
            1 Honorifica Imperialis @ [25] Pts
         4 Guardsmen @ [10] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x3); Heavy Bolter

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 531 Pts)
   0 Infantry Platoon @ 531 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [56] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [46] Pts
            Iron Discipline; Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon
         4 Guardsmen @ [10] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x3); Heavy Bolter
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Troops: Infantry Platoon (51#, 531 Pts)
   0 Infantry Platoon @ 531 Pts
      0 Command Squad @ [56] Pts
         1 Junior Officer @ [46] Pts
            Iron Discipline; Bolt Pistol; Close Combat Weapon
         4 Guardsmen @ [10] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW (x3); Heavy Bolter
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW
      9 Infantry Squad @ [95] Pts
         Close Order Drill; Lasgun (x7); Plasmagun; Lascannon
         1 Sergeant @ [6] Pts
            Laspistol & CCW

Elite: Hardened Veterans (10#, 125 Pts)
   9 Hardened Veterans @ 125 Pts
      Drop Troops; Lasgun (x6); Plasmagun (x3)
      1 Veteran Sergeant @ [23] Pts
         Drop Troops; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol

Elite: Hardened Veterans (10#, 125 Pts)
   9 Hardened Veterans @ 125 Pts
      Drop Troops; Lasgun (x6); Plasmagun (x3)
      1 Veteran Sergeant @ [23] Pts
         Drop Troops; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol

Elite: Hardened Veterans (10#, 125 Pts)
   9 Hardened Veterans @ 125 Pts
      Drop Troops; Lasgun (x6); Plasmagun (x3)
      1 Veteran Sergeant @ [23] Pts
         Drop Troops; Close Combat Weapon; Plasma Pistol

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (1#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Leman Russ Battle Tank (2#, 155 Pts)
1 Leman Russ Battle Tank @ 155 Pts
Battle Cannon; Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter; Sponson Heavy Bolter

Total Roster Cost: 1988pts

Total Plasma Count - 22

Total LasCannon Count - 10

Total Heavy Bolter Count - 3

How's that look? I included some bolters, STILL have a couple points to spare. Could maybe drop a LR, get a bassie and buy some more bolters? Input!

You included some bolters in the worst possible place - small 5-man squads that are vital to your Leadership radius and easy VPs for your enemy as they're so fragile.

I'm telling you, you don't need all those Lascannons. Turn 2 squads per platoon into HB/Flamer squads and the list will work.

BYE

Here we go:

1. Follow HBMC's advice. Replace 2 las/plas squads per platoon with hb/flame squads. Save 19 pts. each. 19*4= 76
2.Now that you have more heavy bolters, drop them from all command squads. -30 pts.
3. Add to your PHQ's 3 flamers each. 18 pts. a PHQ for a spending of 36 pts.
4. If you intend to drop your vet squads, get rid of 4 guys per squad, as well as the plasma pistol. This will save 141 pts.
5. You now have 211 pts., and a trimmed list. Consider a) getting a hellhound + rough riders for added mobility and counter charge, or b) turn two of the hb/flame line squads into Armored Fists by adding Chimeras.
6. It slipped my mind until now, but a standard bearer would do wonders in your CHQ.

Oh God... I didn't even notice.

Yes, get a Standard Bearer immediately.

BYE

Quick question, not that I disagree with you HMBC but am overall curious. Why is putting a HB in a command squad bad? I mean, they would already draw fire as it is, or am I missing something?