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Do not abandon all hope yet!

There are now two confirmed books for the new demons. What is in them is anyones guess at this point.

97-01 Warhammer: Daemons Of Chaos $22.00
97-02 Warhammer 40k: Chaos Daemons $22.00

Below is also all the new models and their prices (MSRP) I suspect the "Soulgrinder" is the big defiler guy.

97-08 Daemons: Bloodletters Of Khorne $22.00
97-09 Daemons: Daemonettes Of Slaanesh $22.00
97-10 Daemons: Plaguebearers Of Nurgle $20.00
97-11 Daemons: Plaguebearers Of Nurgle Command $22.00
97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00
97-13 Daemons: Flamers Of Tzeentch $15.00
97-14 Daemons: Flesh Hounds Of Khorne $30.00
97-15 Daemons: Screamers Of Tzeentch $25.00
97-17 Warhammer 40k: Daemons - Soul Grinder $50.00
97-22 Daemons: Bloodcrusher Of Khorne $22.00
97-23 Daemons: Epidemius $35.00
97-35 Daemons: Skulltaker $17.00
97-36 Daemons: Masque $12.00
97-37 Daemons: Beast Of Nurgle $20.00
97-38 Daemons: Fiend Of Slaanesh $20.00
97-39 Daemons: Karanak $17.00
97-40 Daemons: Nurglings $15.00

*checks list of useless model and army book releases*

*notes a 100% correlation between useless list and list above*

*chuckles to self, checks GW's stock price, yep down again *

GG.

"97-17 Warhammer 40k: Daemons - Soul Grinder $50.00"

Good! Actually cheaper than the defiler, didn't see this one coming.

"97-22 Daemons: Bloodcrusher Of Khorne $22.00"

Bad! No longer considering that beefy unit of 6, $132 is a bit steep

- Salvage

id like to see how this translates into pounds hate for that weaker dollar meaning that i have to ship from the US

97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00
97-36 Daemons: Masque $12.00

Good prices. I've been needing to get some horrors anyway. Does anyone know what these will look like yet?

97-37 Daemons: Beast Of Nurgle $20.00

If these are mounts, bad. It would be better to convert my own using another miniature line or green stuff.

You do realize that the horrors price has not changed? It will be $20 for 5 figs. Currently it is $40 for ten figs. No change in actual price, nor in the horror figs themselves. They are the exact same sculpts. As for the masque, there are many pics of the fig on the internet, including DakkaDakka and Warseer.

Yeah, it'll be important to see how many models each unit contains.

Number of models each box contains:

97-08 Daemons: Bloodletters Of Khorne $22.00 10 bloodletters (plastic)
97-09 Daemons: Daemonettes Of Slaanesh $22.00 10 daemonettes (plastic)
97-10 Daemons: Plaguebearers Of Nurgle $20.00 (5 metal plaguebearers)
97-11 Daemons: Plaguebearers Of Nurgle Command $22.00 (3 command figs)
97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00 (5 metal horrors)
97-13 Daemons: Flamers Of Tzeentch $15.00 - not sure, either 2 or 3 flamers
97-14 Daemons: Flesh Hounds Of Khorne $30.00 - not sure, I believe it is 8 or 10
97-15 Daemons: Screamers Of Tzeentch $25.00 -3 screamers, metal
97-17 Warhammer 40k: Daemons - Soul Grinder $50.00 1 soul grinder, plastic kit with defiler sprue
97-22 Daemons: Bloodcrusher Of Khorne $22.00 1 bloodcrusher
97-23 Daemons: Epidemius $35.00 1 fig
97-35 Daemons: Skulltaker $17.00 1 fig
97-36 Daemons: Masque $12.00 1 fig
97-37 Daemons: Beast Of Nurgle $20.00
97-38 Daemons: Fiend Of Slaanesh $20.00 1 fig
97-39 Daemons: Karanak $17.00 1 fig
97-40 Daemons: Nurglings $15.00 I believe same as now, which is two stands/bases worth, have to double check, though

As for units, that's going to depend on the game system. I'm pretty confident that the daemon army in Fantasy will tend to be larger (model count) than the 40k one. We'll see....

Not to be pedantic but how does one crush blood?

Doctor Optimal wrote:Not to be pedantic but how does one crush blood?

First you have to demoralize it.

Doctor Optimal wrote:Not to be pedantic but how does one crush blood?

Freeze it.

Nag it, deny it the promotion it deserves, give it a heart condition and tell its children not to call it during the holidays.

Thats pretty crushing...

Doctor Optimal wrote:Not to be pedantic but how does one crush blood?

EXALT!

Just a couple changes, from what I've heard:

97-13 Daemons: Flamers Of Tzeentch $15.00 - 3 flamers, metal
97-14 Daemons: Flesh Hounds Of Khorne $30.00 - 5 hounds, metal

As for units, that's going to depend on the game system. I'm pretty confident that the daemon army in Fantasy will tend to be larger (model count) than the 40k one. We'll see....

Thing is, they cost fewer points in 40k now too. Max out on demonettes (6x 20) and that's only 1200 points (and $264) ... But the boatload of monstrous creatures I'm sure will sway many from the path of the truly insane demonic horde by sopping up points.

- Salvage

Hmm, let me work this out: Two boxes of Bloodletters at $22.00 each, -20% ($4.40), so about $39.60 at the Warstore. I can't wait till the pre-orders so I can get me some Bloodletters!

$20 for five figures? Nurgle and Tzeentch?
That's just stupid. Do they want demon armies to be only made of Khorn and Slaanesh? Once again, I'll convert.

Good thing I've already got around 40 of the old one eyed plaguebearers. I'll home brew some horrors, convert some beasts of nurgle, and buy a few of the new big demons.

A Tzeentch army has a lot going for it... Like expensive models?

LittleLeadMen wrote: 97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00 (5 metal horrors)

Are they going back to the split into two blue horrors rule?

Dice Monkey wrote:

LittleLeadMen wrote: 97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00 (5 metal horrors)

Are they going back to the split into two blue horrors rule?

That would be totally cool! But with the old models please!

Nah, thats just nostalgic speaking.

Doesn't anyone feel that the trend towards special characters makes them somewhat...unspecial? They seem to be everywhere!
I've read the vampire counts army book today and was sick of all the carteins already (i liked them before, mind you).

Greets
Schepp himself

mortal888 wrote:$20 for five figures? Nurgle and Tzeentch?
That's just stupid. Do they want demon armies to be only made of Khorn and Slaanesh? Once again, I'll convert.

Good thing I've already got around 40 of the old one eyed plaguebearers. I'll home brew some horrors, convert some beasts of nurgle, and buy a few of the new big demons.

How is this any different than how the rest of the Fantasy metal figures are done now? Or any different than 10 metal figures for $40? Didn't we already know there were no plastics for anything but Slaanesh and Khorne as they were already the money makers of the metal models?

Schepp himself wrote:Doesn't anyone feel that the trend towards special characters makes them somewhat...unspecial? They seem to be everywhere!
I've read the vampire counts army book today and was sick of all the carteins already (i liked them before, mind you).

Only if you imagine them being that character. I happen to like playing with my MACROSS LEADER HERO #23497 with giant sword thank you very much.

I guess you don't play warmachine.

mortal888 wrote:$20 for five figures? Nurgle and Tzeentch?

You should be thankful GW is holding the price for these models. I would have expected GW to *raise* pricing to 5 for $22.

YOU HEAR THAT, GW? NURGLE AND TZEENTCH SHOULD BE PROUD TO PAY $22 USD FOR ONLY 5 MODELS!!!

Dice Monkey wrote:

LittleLeadMen wrote: 97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00 (5 metal horrors)

Are they going back to the split into two blue horrors rule?

That would be awesome, forcing Tzeentch players to have separate models for Pink and Blue Horrors...

I have to admit, I can't really see how they can improve on the current Horrors of Tzeentch. Mind you, the Wood Elf Dryads show that they can do 'interesting' organic shapes in plastic.

mortal888 wrote:Do they want demon armies to be only made of Khorn and Slaanesh?

Actually yes, they do. Profit margins are higher on plastic models.

Slaanesh and Khorne are the big sellers (which has absolutely nothing to do with their rules in Chaos codex 3.5) so they get plastics and everyone must buy them. Tzeentch and Nurgle should be happy they didn't get sent to Apocalypse. Yet.

Nurglitch wrote:I have to admit, I can't really see how they can improve on the current Horrors of Tzeentch.

So? Just look at the plastic daemonettes. I fully expect plastic horrors in 5th edition to go back to the "classic" walking the torso-heads with enormous hands.

Yeah, except the retro-look works for the Daemonettes. It emphasizes their inhumanity and daemonic natures, which the more aesthetically pleasing current models don't. I think the retro-look would work well for the Tallymen too, as Plague Bearers should be cyclopean, damnit!

Don't get me wrong, I rather loved the Tzeentch Horrors from the 5th edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battle, particularly the command models and the one that was playing itself as a drum. I just think that the latest Horrors (and particularly the Flamers) are really nice at conveying the dynamism and horror of Tzeentch.

It's a good point - I mean, the old walking head horrors with suction-cup fingers are fun and all, but nothing conveys change like a critter made of constantly wriggling, slimy tentacles.

Death By Monkeys wrote:It's a good point - I mean, the old walking head horrors with suction-cup fingers are fun and all, but nothing conveys change like a critter made of constantly wriggling, slimy tentacles.

Or one that's stepping out of his own mouth.

97-08 Daemons: Bloodletters Of Khorne $22.00 10 bloodletters (plastic)
97-09 Daemons: Daemonettes Of Slaanesh $22.00 10 daemonettes (plastic)

97-12 Daemons: Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch $20.00 (5 metal horrors)
97-13 Daemons: Flamers Of Tzeentch $15.00 - not sure, either 2 or 3 flamers

97-14 Daemons: Flesh Hounds Of Khorne $30.00 - not sure, I believe it is 8 or 10
97-15 Daemons: Screamers Of Tzeentch $25.00 -3 screamers, metal


I was really looking forward to doing a Tzeench demonic legion, with crazy rainbow colored feathery Quetzylcoatl(sp?) Soulgrinders and everything, but now.....