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Hey, i just bought the CSM book, but was really dissapointed . There were way to little fluff. They could at least wrote the situation of the biggest legions. I guess the answers im seeking is in the books (the omnibuses, horus heresy, etc), but i have not the money or patience for that many books. So, release your inner Besserwisser, here`s the Q`s:
(tick, tack, tick, tack)
1: Where are the most famous legions now, and who are they fighting (emperors children, death guard etc)?
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2: What was the situations that sent some of the biggest legions into chaos (never really got the part where Sons of Horus a.s got evil)?
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Bonus Q: When and how were the Guardsmen created?
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More Q`s coming up

The CSM is focused on renegades... so legions are not mentioned much.

Yes it sucks.
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1. They are around...infighting, fighting who ever...
2.

EC: Mr. Fabulous had a Sword that spoke to him.
KB: Goaded into it by Horus.
TS: tried to help Emperer, but broke rule of using powers, puppies sent and burned down their crib.
DG: I guess Mortarion saw 1+1 and found Chaos

Guardsmen are created when a Man really loves a Woman (provided it's not a Daemonette in disguise) very much, they do the Slaanesh and poops out a baby. That baby grows up in the 40K universe and gets a flash light after being 'requested' to join the Guard.

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Obviously not all of this is accurate, nor even in the ballpark...

Terje-Tubby wrote:Hey, i just bought the CSM book, but was really dissapointed . There were way to little fluff. They could at least wrote the situation of the biggest legions. I guess the answers im seeking is in the books (the omnibuses, horus heresy, etc), but i have not the money or patience for that many books. So, release your inner Besserwisser, here`s the Q`s:
(tick, tack, tick, tack)
1: Where are the most famous legions now, and who are they fighting (emperors children, death guard etc)?
Congratulations, you have won 1000$!
2: What was the situations that sent some of the biggest legions into chaos (never really got the part where Sons of Horus a.s got evil)?
Congratulations, you have won 2000$!
Bonus Q: When and how were the Guardsmen created?
Congratulations, you have won a car or something like that, i don`t know...!
More Q`s coming up

The Black Legion (formerly Sons of Horus, formerly formerly Luna Wolves) are currently in the Eye of Terror, licking their wounds after a sound thrashing during the last Black Crusade (despite Chaos winning, apparently.) They turned to Chaos pretty much because Horus did (out of all the legions, the only Legion that could bost that much loyalty to their primarch was either The Blood Angels or Word Bearers)

The Thousand Sons are based on the Planet of Sorcerors in the Eye, currently being lorded over by Magnus. A sizeable contingent of them are out in the wde universe looking for the Black Library at the behest of Ahriman. They were pretty much forced to turn as the Emperor was unwilling to believe what Magnus was telling him, and the method of how he told him. To save his legion, Magnus turned to Tzeentch.

The Death Guard are in a similiar boat, some based on the Plague Planet under Mortarion, whilst others follow Typhus the Traveller (who found Mortarion's moulding of the Plague Planet into a second Barbarus sickening). They turned because Horus offered Mortarion power, and Nurgle claimed the Legion whilst they were travelling to Terra.

The Emperors Children are split across the universe, with Fulgrim himself still in the Eye. Their turing was gradual, with Fulgrim being coersed by a daemonic entity after their campaign against the Laerin. The corruption was slow and built on the EC inherint arrogance. Their heresy was finalised when Fulgrim slew Ferrus Mannus, and gave himself over to the daemon out of despair.

The Word Bearers are spread across the galaxy spreading the word of the Dark Gods and their Primarch. They turned far earlier than the other legions, the wound to their collective ego after the Emperor lambasted them for their worship of him. The Gods offered them the holy cause they so desired. The Word Bearers (and Lorgar, Kor Phaeron and Erebus in particular) are possibly responsibly for the Heresy as a whole)

The Night Lords are spread across the galaxy, causing fear and terror as befits them. Not entirely a true chaos legion (they love fighting the Imperium and spreading misery, however bow to no God), they turned according to the future foresaw by their Primarch Konrad Curze.

The Alpha Legions loyalty is still in question. They joined the Heretics to appease the suffering of mankind and lead to the eventual killing of Chaos itself. Whether or not they still fight for the Imperium against itself or have truly fallen is still in question.

The World Eaters are now roving warbands thanks to the bloodthirst of Kharn the Betrayer. They travel the galaxy seeking bloodshed and war. Angron, despite being a psychotic killing Machine, was easily influenced by Horus as was his legion, their qualities (sheer determination and bloodthirsty war-making) was made thier undoing.

The Iron Warriors are based on Medrengard in the Eye, and function much like they did pre-heresy. The spiteful Perturabo was easily swayed by Horus, in part due to his hatred of both the Ultramarines and the Imperial Fists.

Hope I haven't forgotten any :p I may have

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:The Thousand Sons are based on the Planet of Sorcerors in the Eye, currently being lorded over by Magnus. A sizeable contingent of them are out in the wde universe looking for the Black Library at the behest of Ahriman. They were pretty much forced to turn as the Emperor was unwilling to believe what Magnus was telling him, and the method of how he told him. To save his legion, Magnus turned to Tzeentch.

I will note that there is ample evidence they had fallen long before the SPace Pups hopped on them - that's just when Magnus openly called to Tzeentch to save him from Russ. They were probably the 2nd Legion to Fall after Lorgar's (though I suppose there is fair argument for the Night Lords as well...this could be an interesting discussion, which Legion's fell in what chronological order).

Hope I haven't forgotten any :p I may have

Looks like 9 traitors to the 9 loyalist and with the two unknowns that gives us our 20. Solid recap.

To answer the OP's last question about the Guard. The IG (then known as The Imperial Army) was created during the early stages of The Great Crusade mostly to serve as garrison forces since the Space Marines were not numerous enough to both commit to the Crusade and defend and police claimed worlds. They existed solidly at the time of the Heresy though they were generally looked down upon by the Marines. Many of them fell to Chaos when the Legions they served with fell and became an awesome army that has no official separate rules anymore.

Thanks guys, kinda dissapointed that GW didn`t make any of the legions fight a continous battle against some SM chapter (like Armageddon).
Q`s:
1: What`s the story behind the Black crusades (after the first) and who was they against?
2: When a CSM dies, what happens to him (is it like daemons, does nothing happen etc)?

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:The Black Legion (formerly Sons of Horus, formerly formerly Luna Wolves) are currently in the Eye of Terror, licking their wounds after a sound thrashing during the last Black Crusade (despite Chaos winning, apparently.)

Not quite. The Black Legion is currently continuing to ravage both Cadia particularly and the rest of the Scarus Sector more generally. Typhus is leading the Death Guard that joined him (some stuck with Mortarion on the Plague Planet and some went with Typhus, as DLS said, still other struck out on their own) in the same endeavor as an ally of Abaddon.


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Thor665 wrote:I will note that there is ample evidence they had fallen long before the SPace Pups hopped on them - that's just when Magnus openly called to Tzeentch to save him from Russ. They were probably the 2nd Legion to Fall after Lorgar's (though I suppose there is fair argument for the Night Lords as well...this could be an interesting discussion, which Legion's fell in what chronological order).

I've given this a lot of thought. It really depends on what you mean by "fallen." If "fallen" means defiant of the Emperor's distaste of sorcery, then Magnus was fallen before he ever knew of the Emperor. If "fallen" means submitting to Tzeentch, then it didn't happen until Russ nearly broke him--and I do mean their personal battle rather than just the destruction of Prospero in general. I am totally convinced that Magnus genuinely wanted to avert Horus's temptation by the Warp Gods.


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Terje-Tubby wrote:Thanks guys, kinda dissapointed that GW didn`t make any of the legions fight a continous battle against some SM chapter (like Armageddon).
Q`s:
1: What`s the story behind the Black crusades (after the first) and who was they against?
2: When a CSM dies, what happens to him (is it like daemons, does nothing happen etc)?

- The First War for Armageddon was led by Angron of the World Eaters.

- Black Crusades are, generally speaking, the Chaos version of a Waaaagh! but more specifically refers to thriteen attempts by Abaddon to lead Chaos forces out of the Eye of Terror against the Imperium. The most recent one, at the end of the 41st millennium, has been successful so far inasmuch as the Imperium has not forced him to retreat yet.

- When a CSM dies, his soul is swallowed up by the Chaos God(s) to whom he has pledged it. Once in a while, a Chaos God will resurrect a particularly favored champion--i.e., Lucius the Eternal or, IIRC, Kharne the Betrayer.

Terje-Tubby wrote:
Q`s:
1: What`s the story behind the Black crusades (after the first) and who was they against?
2: When a CSM dies, what happens to him (is it like daemons, does nothing happen etc)?

1) this are abby's futile attempts to prove himself superior to his primarch....

as Dorn said, Abby is a mindless slayer. Without horus, the BL just trys to stay in power.

Main target of any "throw yourself before the imperiums guns" ( ie black crudesade ) is to killmaimburn and hope
to bring the imperium down.

2) Hes dead. Only demons return into the warp, cause their essence isnt fully part of the material plane.
Even possessed CSm may just return their demonic part to the warp.

The Imperial Guard were founded alongisde the Imperial Navy after the Horus Heresy.

Before then, there had existed the 'Imperial Army' which was an all-encompassing organisation, it had at its disposal naval ships and ground formations... So if an Officer went rogue, he effectively had a force to be reckoned with.

Now the Guard rely on the navy to ferry them about so if they go rogue they can't move their forces, likewise if the navy go rogue they can't hold territory... but they can still blast it from space I guess.

The Guard also tries to inhibit potential traitors by having specialised regiments. They may be armoured, or infantry-heavy, or artillery regiments. They want to ensure that if a regiment goes rogue, yet again, it can't field a diverse force, an infantry regiment will lack artillery support, an armoured regiment will lack infantry support, etc.

Then again, saying all of that... The Steel Legion field infantry and armour together, so maybe it's only artillery that's kept seperate? At any rate, my army is actually formed up of three different regiments to try and simulate that system.

Manchu wrote:- Black Crusades are, generally speaking, the Chaos version of a Waaaagh! but more specifically refers to thriteen attempts by Abaddon to lead Chaos forces out of the Eye of Terror against the Imperium. The most recent one, at the end of the 41st millennium, has been successful so far inasmuch as the Imperium has not forced him to retreat yet.

Don't forget the Black Crusade of Doombreed, which personally claimed two Astartes Chapters as its victims

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

It will answer most basic questions and give a better feel for the fluff. Don't take everything written as the complete and total truth as it is a wiki

Thor665 wrote:

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:The Thousand Sons are based on the Planet of Sorcerors in the Eye, currently being lorded over by Magnus. A sizeable contingent of them are out in the wde universe looking for the Black Library at the behest of Ahriman. They were pretty much forced to turn as the Emperor was unwilling to believe what Magnus was telling him, and the method of how he told him. To save his legion, Magnus turned to Tzeentch.

I though that the Emporer already knew and was peeved off with madnus using sorcery again, but it was horus who sent Russ after him

Emprah told Russ to go capture Magnus and bring him back to Terra. Horus intercepted the message and told Russ to go kill Magnus. Russ had no reason to doubt that the Warmaster was simply communicated the Emprah's will (that's what his job was, after all) so he tried to obey.

I do feel Demogerg's sig says it best;

Demogerg's epic sig of pure win wrote:Emprah: Horus, tell Russ to bring Magnus to me because I said so.
Horus: Emprah wants you to kill Magnus because he said so.
Russ: Fine. Emprah's always right. Plus Ole Red has already been denounced as a traitor and I never liked him anyway. You're about to die, cyclops!
Magnus: O noes! Tzeentch, I choose you! Bawwwww!
Russ: Ah well. Now to go kill Horus.

I wrote that, you know.

MOAR!! PLZ!!

What ever happened to the 'Primarchs' stories... I remember the First Part, can't find it, I haven't heard much from the second part...

This was my original post:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/246839.page#821137

Then there was Sapphomunda:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/259416.page#1028130

And be sure and check out 40k Christmas carols!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270071.page

Oh, and of course EF's Great Limmerick Thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/264842.page

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

Manchu wrote:- Black Crusades are, generally speaking, the Chaos version of a Waaaagh! but more specifically refers to thriteen attempts by Abaddon to lead Chaos forces out of the Eye of Terror against the Imperium. The most recent one, at the end of the 41st millennium, has been successful so far inasmuch as the Imperium has not forced him to retreat yet.

Don't forget the Black Crusade of Doombreed, which personally claimed two Astartes Chapters as its victims

Which? How?? WHAT?? Id really love to hear that story Seanron style

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Doombreed

Sanctjud wrote:

Guardsmen are created when a Man really loves a Woman (provided it's not a Daemonette in disguise) very much, they do the Slaanesh and poops out a baby. That baby grows up in the 40K universe and gets a flash light after being 'requested' to join the Guard.

You there! Guardsman!



You Win.

The Prize!




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@Manchu: I remember that!

Quoted For The Fethin`Thruth!

Well, you actually didn't quote anything.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Well, you actually didn't quote anything.

Why use that much space when its just above my post. Answer that, smart guy
Back on topic, which 40k novels is worth reading? I like battles between Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines

True that, but when I was but a newb poster I was told off for much the same thing.

40k novels? I found the Guard Omnibus to be entertaining. (Catachan one was a bit WTF, but whatever).

And Guants Ghosts are pretty good.




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Ah, dammit. Pic didn't come through. Here's the link.

http://www.roflposters.com/tanith-first-and-only-scottish-ninja-assassin-soldiers-who-massacre-the-enemy-with-bagpipes-sniper-rifles-and-raw-manliness-flick-the-astartes/340707/

Try the general omnibus, "Let the Galaxy Burn."

Also, agree w/EF on QFT point.

Was it you who told me off when I first did that?

I don't think so. You've been here a few days longer than me!

((I had never noticed that before now. And, honestly, your post count is simply ridiculous. ))

Ah, back in the day... *stares off into the distance*

You are all very naughty users!!

Happy now?

IBTL

...what? KK isn't locking it? Damn!

Back on topic, i bought the two first Horus Heresy books yesterday, and i have started on the first. I kinda don`t get the start (who is the false emperor), but that`s another story.
Nice picture KK