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I've been wondering about these questions for awhile. So here goes.

1) Could a CSM worship chaos undivided but in battle call upon the power of one God in particular?

2) Are all emperors children noise marines?

1: Yes. Happens all the time with chaos lords mostly.

2: No, "cult" marines represent a small amount of all CSM that exist, per fluff. Progression is CSM to cult marine, only if they live that long and even then, it's not always a sure thing. Sometimes you possessed or spawn.

Generally most slaanesh marines are "Marked" rather then noise marine.

You'll find most of them are a bit rarer then other groups with the exception of the Rubric Marine, because the progression to noise marine is specific, rather then generic like.

Warrior who likes killing --> Khorne berserker

Person who worships Plague --> Plague marine.

Generally noise marines come from the "Sense Freaks" of the slaanesh worshippers, who eventually grow dead to all others and need the noise just to feel alive. While that's a large sect, it's not as numerous as the others, where as there's still plenty of slaaanesh worshippers who prefer skills, plain combat, torture, perfection, etc.

Rubrics are the only cult troops that both represent almost the entire legion they originated from, and the only ones that cannot be easily replicated (if at all)

Any CSM devoted to Slaanesh (not necessarily EC marines) can theoretically get into making music.

He's asking a Legion-specific question. Strictly speaking, it's not improbable that most Emperor's Children have become noise marines, though that's not for certain.

In the case of the Death Guard, it's fairly explicit that almost the entire Legion has become Plague Marines, but if there has been any equivalent statement for the Emperor's Children, it has eluded me so far.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
1) Could a CSM worship chaos undivided but in battle call upon the power of one God in particular?

Absolutely. It fits perfectly with polytheistic worship throughout history - that is, people who worship a pantheon of gods have (generally) always dedicated their worship to whatever god will help them most in any particular situation. Older fluff has indicated that the Black Legion in particular are well-known for doing exactly this.

2) Are all emperors children noise marines?

Not necessarily. Older fluff has stated that they are (e.g. 2nd edition Codex: Chaos), but I don't think more recent fluff is so limiting. I'll admit that I'm not completely up to date on Slaaneshi fluff (being primarily a Khorne player), so I could be wrong.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
I've been wondering about these questions for awhile. So here goes.

1) Could a CSM worship chaos undivided but in battle call upon the power of one God in particular?

2) Are all emperors children noise marines?

1) Outside of the game rules a CSM can treat the pantheon of chaos gods as any other pantheon and call upon khorne for stregnth in melee and nurgle for resistance to damage, etc. The black legion worships no specific chaos power at this time, but can also include members who are the elite of the different chaos powers on the battle field as well. So this is definitely doable from a fluff perspective, just isn't going to mean much in the actual table top game in general, though, since a unit either has a specific mark and its reward or it doesn't.

2) In a nutshell, no. Many are. There are also many noise marines that are not Emperor's children as well. Any particular force or legion is going to have those who have become more corrupted and influenced by chaos than others. So those in the emperor's children who are most corrupted by slaanesh would be noise marines, while others would still be regular chaos marines, havocs or whatever. Generally I find forces that are full up entirely of one type of specific CSM elite or another to be pretty dull to face and to play.

For some reason people seem to think that the elites in the CSM are the be all and end all of the world eaters, deathguard, emperor's children and thousand sons, but they really aren't. The only one that a stronger argument could be made for is the thousand sons, but one can easily claim some small forces of the thousand sons were not on their homeworld when they were attacked by the space wolves and never ended up in the same exile as the rest so were not affected by the rhubric spell in the first place. Of course of all of the elites the rhubrics are the only ones that can be claimed to have only ever been thousand sons and will one day eventually all disappear do to attrition. Bererkers, noise marines and plague marines can always be created again. The rhubrics were a one time ritual event that created a finite number of them....

oops rambling...sorry...

Skriker

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:


2) Are all emperors children noise marines?

Fabulous Bill is from the Emperor's Children but is not a noise marine. He doesnt even worship Slanesh(although he might sometimes, not exclusively)

I thought that all Emperor's Children, bar Fabius Bile and his boys, were noise marines, but not all noise marines are Emperor's Children.

I think that the Emperors children are the only on the 4 monotheistic traitor legions to not have the entirety of their legion become that god's cult troop. The World Eaters were already Berzerkers as a result of the Butcher's Nails, the only thing their fall did was make them Khronate. The traitor Death Guard all became Plague Marine as a result of Typhus infecting their ship. The Rubric Marines consist of all non-psychic, non-loyalist Thousand Sons, as the Rubric of Arhiman effected all surviving traitors. The Emperor's Children, however, were somewhat different, as are Noise Marines. Noise Marines are a very specialized offshoot of Slaneesh worshipers, they are the ones obsessed with sound above all else. While many of the Emperor's Children did become Noise Marines (I believe there was an event which detailed daemonesses introducing sonic weapons to a large number of them), it is not unreasonable to assume that a significant number of the Emperor's Children were either not in attendance, or did not become obsessed as the others did.

So no, not all Emperor's Children are noise marines. And not all noise marines are Emperor's Children.