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Ok am still new to 6ed. iam try to find out if armor is still any good to run in ur list. I use sm standard sm. Iam trying to get opinions as i have a truny june. As of now i use 3rhinos 2dreads and3preds. Try to see if i should drop my armor and take more infy. Also as i don't use flyers should i make shure to have a quad gun

Yes, While a Plasma or a Missle Launcher is pretty much guranteed to take out your troops, They are not guranteed to take out your Rhino(Likely, but they still have to glance on a 3.)
So yes, Armor is worth it.

frogy27 wrote:
Ok am still new to 6ed. iam try to find out if armor is still any good to run in ur list. I use sm standard sm. Iam trying to get opinions as i have a truny june. As of now i use 3rhinos 2dreads and3preds. Try to see if i should drop my armor and take more infy. Also as i don't use flyers should i make shure to have a quad gun

In 6th ed:

Dreads are worse because they die instantly.
Shooting is better.
Rhinos are faster.
Flyers are fantastic.

I'd recommend waiting until Feb 16th drops the Flyer supplement, and picking up a Stormraven if rumors are correct.

They mesh quite well with C:SM.

So would it be ok to drop dreads for sternguard in rhinos i don't like the look of any sm flyer. That's why iam taking a quad gun. i use a dreads with plasma cannon and one in with assualt guno

frogy27 wrote:
So would it be ok to drop dreads for sternguard in rhinos i don't like the look of any sm flyer. That's why iam taking a quad gun. i use a dreads with plasma cannon and one in with assualt guno

Unfortunately. if your opposition fields any more than 1 flyer, a quad gun will not be enough.

But I digress.

I'd recommend Sternguard in Drop pods. Close delivery will allow them to maximize their destructive prowess. And yeah; drop the dreads. They're essentially free kills.

I understand the drop pod idea. but i never have any luck droping guys in front of opponent i get one trun of shooting be for iam charged our shot dead. How do deal with flyers if i don't take flyers

frogy27 wrote:
I understand the drop pod idea. but i never have any luck droping guys in front of opponent i get one trun of shooting be for iam charged our shot dead.

Don't deep strike next to effective melee units.

How do deal with flyers if i don't take flyers

Have a particularly powerful ground-game that Flyers won't dominate.

You don't deal with them. You have to try to ignore them at that point.

Is it wise to take 2 quad guns. as flyers are a pain in my butt.

frogy27 wrote:
Is it wise to take 2 quad guns. as flyers are a pain in my butt.

Can't do that until 2k points, at which, there will still be more flyers than you can handle with just quad guns.

frogy27 wrote:
Is it wise to take 2 quad guns. as flyers are a pain in my butt.

Can only do that at 2000 points. Even then, you spent 200 points on 2 quad guns which will still easily be overwhelmed by any Air Force list.

At the moment, there are really 4 ways to deal with fliers:
1) Fliers
2) Quad Guns
3) Flakk Missiles (if your codex has them)
4) Lots of concentrated dakka

That was in order of (in my opinion) ability to kill said fliers

Then i dont no how to deal with flyers as don't like them. i would take quad guns but cost a lot and can only shoot at flyers. so realy ther is no way to deal with flyers in less you run flyer list and take less troops and tanks

frogy27 wrote:
Then i dont no how to deal with flyers as don't like them. i would take quad guns but cost a lot and can only shoot at flyers. so realy ther is no way to deal with flyers in less you run flyer list and take less troops and tanks

Quad Guns can shoot at other things.....

But yeah, at the moment there aren't a whole lot of options to deal with fliers besides...other fliers. Once more 6th edition codices come out and other things come out that can deal with them, I think the whole "Air Superiority" thing will die out.

You do have one option though. You could just ignore them. Most games now a days are objective games, so in flier heavy lists if you kill all their scoring units you can still win.

frogy27 wrote:
Then i dont no how to deal with flyers as don't like them. i would take quad guns but cost a lot and can only shoot at flyers. so realy ther is no way to deal with flyers in less you run flyer list and take less troops and tanks

Quad guns don't have to only shoot fliers; they have the Interceptor rule, so they can also be fired at ground targets using normal BS, provided they didn't fire in the opponent's previous movement phase in response to an enemy unit coming in from reserve.

frogy27 wrote:
Then i dont no how to deal with flyers as don't like them. i would take quad guns but cost a lot and can only shoot at flyers. so realy ther is no way to deal with flyers in less you run flyer list and take less troops and tanks

Quad guns can shoot at everything with normal BS.

You can deal with flyers by having a fantastic ground-game and dominating it so that their air-superiority is irrelevant. Flyers can't score objectives. If you dominate the ground, you dominate the objectives, and win the game.

 CaptainGrey wrote:

frogy27 wrote:
Then i dont no how to deal with flyers as don't like them. i would take quad guns but cost a lot and can only shoot at flyers. so realy ther is no way to deal with flyers in less you run flyer list and take less troops and tanks

Quad guns can shoot at everything with normal BS.

You can deal with flyers by having a fantastic ground-game and dominating it so that their air-superiority is irrelevant. Flyers can't score objectives. If you dominate the ground, you dominate the objectives, and win the game.

This. I don't care how many Vendettas you have with you with I have blobs of 30 guardsmen on all the objectives.

If you KNOW that you cannot deal with enemy flyers, then you have to just ignore them completely and win the game on the ground. That said, 100 points is not that much of an investment for the ADL and the Quad gun. It is absolutely worth it. While a single quad gun WILL have trouble bringing down 2-3 flyers, you should not have any trouble dealing with just one.

Ok amgoing to run one quad gun. still keep my 3rhino tac squads keep my3 preds idk what to replace my dreads with

frogy27 wrote:
Ok amgoing to run one quad gun. still keep my 3rhino tac squads keep my3 preds idk what to replace my dreads with

Sternguard in Drop Pods, or Terminators.

Sorry if this is a bit divergent from the main topic but why are Dreads considered such easy targets?

U really like my dreads and they do really good for me. i like sternguard in a rhino seem to work better and last. longer then drop pod

frogy27 wrote:
U really like my dreads and they do really good for me. i like sternguard in a rhino seem to work better and last. longer then drop pod

The problem with dreads is that they die incredibly easily with such a high price tag for so little damage output.

Sternguard in a rhino will take at least a turn to start damaging the enemy, and at least two before it is in rapid fire range.

Sternguard in a drop pod is in rapid-fire range turn 1.

If you give them combi-meltas, you can drop pod right next to their tanks and make their points back in one turn. Then turn 2 they start killing stuff with their special ammo.

Sternguard work like stormtroopers. You drop them in with a job to do, they do it, and then they either die, or are a nuisance to the enemy in their backfield.

Using them like a tac squad in a rhino is a waste of them, and is spending too much points on 10 guys in a rhino that might never be in shooting range.

In one turn, an IG player can kill the rhino they are in, and then wipe the squad with a single battlecannon shot. Boom; you just lost 250+ points of guys before they ever fired a shot.

A drop pod guarantees they at least get one turn of shooting, and their shooting is incredible.

Edit: Put simply, there is a reason that everyone in the world puts Sternguard in Drop Pods. It works.

Why do dreads suck

frogy27 wrote:
Why do dreads suck

It's not that they suck. They just aren't very good.

They have low damage output (One or two heavy weapons), are remarkably easy to kill with anything stronger than Str8. A couple lascannons will put a dread down, no problem. They are mediocre in CC, take up a good Force Org slot, and are too high in point cost.

Then what do use in there place that can bring the extra fire power they have. as dreads bring so much extra fire power

For the price of your dread you can put a down payment on a squad of Terminators, who are MUCH harder to kill, and with a CML and/or Assault cannon will bring just as much dakka to the table.

I hate termys the arnt hard to kill at all and only worth it if i get 10 out ldr

Termies are very hard to kill in this edition. Believe me I have been facing a ton of them lately and +2 armor is nothing to sneeze at. also they have a ton of great options to be wither close combat or ranged.

frogy27 wrote:
Then what do use in there place that can bring the extra fire power they have. as dreads bring so much extra fire power

Dreads don't really have that much firepower.

They have one heavy weapon. Two if you're shelling out a ton of points.

Sternguard. Drop pod.

Best shooting unit in your codex, and with a drop pod can be placed turn 1 where it will do the most devastating shooting.


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frogy27 wrote:
I hate termys the arnt hard to kill at all and only worth it if i get 10 out ldr

Terminators are remarkably hard to kill.

One of the hardest infantry units to kill, in fact.

Especially with Storm Shields.

I like assult termy as i likr fire power i have five with asc but ever says the suck i don't like the other termys as i belive in fire power but ten termys cost way to much and really dont last that long the any hard to kill

frogy27 wrote:
I like assult termy as i likr fire power i have five with asc but ever says the suck i don't like the other termys as i belive in fire power but ten termys cost way to much and really dont last that long the any hard to kill

I'm sorry. Legitimately I want to help you, but your post seems so rushed and rife with spelling errors, that it's hard for myself, as well as other users, to read.

Would you mind correcting that?