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I was idly pondering how to get a more terminatory force than just Deathwing and I recalled that Lysander did something for terminators. What could you do with a primary detachment led by Belial and an allied detachment led by Lysander? Useful, effective, or just plain stupid.

Note that I don't have the Space Marine codex so I can't check myself :(

He doesnt do anything for termimators but he twinlinks bolters of any kind in his squad.

tommse wrote:
He doesnt do anything for termimators but he twinlinks bolters of any kind in his squad.

Yup only this (and gives stubborn instead of combat tactics)

You could toss him in a vanilla terminator squad with a cyclone missile launcher and some chainfists for something that is shooty and choppy

Though it is tempting to jam him in with some hammer terminators and call it a day

Put Lysander in a terminator squad with storm bolters and power fists, then add a chaplain in termainator.

That combo had raped my army so many times, I've nicknamed the unit "Lysander and the Fisters of doom"


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 kenshin620 wrote:

tommse wrote:
He doesnt do anything for termimators but he twinlinks bolters of any kind in his squad.

Yup only this (and gives stubborn instead of combat tactics)

You could toss him in a vanilla terminator squad with a cyclone missile launcher and some chainfists for something that is shooty and choppy

Though it is tempting to jam him in with some hammer terminators and call it a day

I'll be calling that unit "Lysander and the Hammertimes", then

Hmm... that seems underwhelming... oh well. Back to the drawing board

Lysander allows re-rolls to hit with bolters, bolt pistols, storm bolters, or heavy bolters in a unit he's attached to. So yes, he will make a unit of tactical terminators more shooty if he's attached. The nastier use of this ability is to attach him to a unit of Sternguard, in a pod. They get re-rolls to hit even using their special ammo, and Lysander makes it a scary prospect to assault them,

Pedro is an interesting enhancement to terminators. Every unit from codex: space marines within 12" of him gets +1A in close combat. This is a pretty big deal when those attacks are with fists or hammers.

These two work well in combination, because Pedro makes Sternguard scoring too.

While certainly excellent characters, both Lysander and Pedro are weird and a bit annoying. Lysander is a CC monster without a shooting weapon but makes a shooty squad better. Pedro is a shooty character that makes a CC squad better.

These guys should swap their buffs with each other and they'd make much more sense.

 Crimson wrote:
While certainly excellent characters, both Lysander and Pedro are weird and a bit annoying. Lysander is a CC monster without a shooting weapon but makes a shooty squad better. Pedro is a shooty character that makes a CC squad better.

These guys should swap their buffs with each other and they'd make much more sense.

Except then they'd both be quite overpowered.

 TheCaptain wrote:


Except then they'd both be quite overpowered.

Sure. They should cost more then.

Also the stubborn mechanic stacks. However elite slots are at a premium in that army.....wish Pedro made them troops.....hopefully in next codex