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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/19 21:10:42
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Storm Trooper with Maglight
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I am just doing a quick run through for official books/fluff that has humans (and space marines) interacting with Eldar. I know of Atlas Infernal, but what else is there?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/19 21:18:48
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
Reading, England
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Fulgrim does in a limited way. That is off the top of my head.
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Bruins fan till the end.
Never assume anything, it will only make an ass of you and me. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/19 21:37:13
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Fixture of Dakka
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The Eldar Path triolgy covers it in a fair bit of depth, but then I'd only rate the 1st book as good; whilst I couldn't stand the interaction in the last book, so...
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 16:46:40
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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"Daemonifuge" springs to mind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 17:20:21
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Hallowed Canoness
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There's also Gav Thorpe's "Farseer", which has a Farseer and his companion hire a Rogue Trader to take them to one of the Crone Worlds.
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"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 17:47:39
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I believe the first Gaunt's Ghost novel does as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 17:56:48
Subject: Re:Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Regular Dakkanaut
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 19:50:13
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Furyou Miko wrote:There's also Gav Thorpe's "Farseer", which has a Farseer and his companion hire a Rogue Trader to take them to one of the Crone Worlds.
"Farseer" is by William King, the current Path triology is by Gav Thorpe. Of the latter, only the third one has some Eldar/human interaction.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 22:52:14
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Shrieking Guardian Jetbiker
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well. they all have interaction, just interaction usually exchanged with alternating rounds of bolter and shuriken fire.
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"Russ - This guy is basically werewolf Dick Cheney. No pity at all."
-Vulgar, because it was too funny not to steal |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 23:01:34
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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Ravenor also interacts with the Eldar. He bases a fair bit of his inquisitorial research on the Eldar, especially on their psykers and wraithbone. He uses wraithbone amulets for his people to amplify their presence in the warp so he can find them better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 23:10:42
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Stalwart Space Marine
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I know I will be traitoris excomunatus but...
G.C Goto dawn of war trilogy has a lot of dialogue between space marine and eldar.
And now to run before the inquisition arrive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/20 23:45:37
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Considering that the Eldar generally want to avoid the loss of Eldar life as much as possible, you'd think they'd do their best to avoid direct conflict with the Imperium except for the more militaristic Eldar (Biel-Tan). For the most part this is fortunately true in the fluff but every once in a while you get some fluff cases where you really have to wonder why the Eldar got into a fight with some Imperium group. Like that time that Ultramarines guy got attacked by them in the 13th Black Crusade or when Tallarm got attacked by them before they decided to team up against Chaos (one of those "You could have just asked, first." situations)
What I'm really curious about is the policy regarding known (by the Imperium) Exodite worlds. You'd think that'd be a major point of contention between the Imperium and Eldar and it is when it comes up, but... it doesn't come up that often (I think there's like... one fluff instance where the Imperium invades an exodite world? And it was more of an off-hand mention? Far as I know)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/21 04:31:45
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Fresh-Faced New User
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There probably isn't a single coherent Imperial policy when it comes to Exodite worlds. The vast majority of the time the Imperium wouldn't know when a planet is an Exodite world, and chances are really good it wouldn't much care once some kind of decision was made regarding a planet (colonization, exploitation, etc.).
And those are just the populated worlds. There are many planets prepared for Exodite colonization that were never populated for various reasons. Humans come along, see a really nice planet, land, and make a new home. A thousand years later an angry craftworld comes along and wipes them out.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/21 06:19:03
Subject: Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I meant the populated ones. Obviously the Imperium can't have a policy for the unpopulated ones that it doesn't know are exodite worlds in the first place.
When it comes to populated ones, though, does the Imperium do things like stop to consider the potential Eldar reinforcements that could pop up if they try to take it? Are they allowed to consider "relations" with the Eldar in the area when considering what to do with it if there are other threats to worry about beyond the eldar reinforcements? Is there a coherent policy regarding it or is there not? How much of the Imperium or Ordos Xenos is even aware what an exodite world IS? Etc etc. These sorts of things we can speculate on, but when it comes to actual fluff stories about them, we have practically nothing to go by.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/07/21 06:45:18
Subject: Re:Eldar/Human (or Space Marine) books/fluff
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Imperium has no foreign policy at all because ideologically it lays claim to the entire galaxy and aims to exterminate all non-humans.
In practice, any arrangements with xenos will be done by local entities. However the Imperium itself is internally fragmented between all its various institutions. What one institution decides may be ignored by others, or others may be completely unaware of any agreement made.
Remember that the vast majority of the Imperium is ignorant of the wider picture and of xenos in general. Much of the information about them in each Codex is a narrator POV or what only a select few, like Inquisitors or particular researchers might know and even then they may only know some of the truth, with a lot of false or fragmentary information mixed in.
The Eldar in turn base their policies on their predictions of the future. They may act to eliminate threats that may not surface for decades or centuries into the future. If they are successful, then nothing happens in the future as the threat was eliminated, but this lack of anything happening is something that can be perceived as a result only if you are aware of the original prediction. The Imperium as stated above is not aware of this and is likely to scoff dismissively at this mysticism assuming the Eldar were to try to explain this. However the Eldar hardly ever explain their actions so the Imperium views the Eldar actions and attacks as random and irrational, with no rhyme or reason behind their attacks, and that is before one gets into the possibility of different Eldar factions having their own differing motives. Again the Imperium as a whole rarely if ever cares about the motives of others, or the fine details of alien civilizations and cultures, and just treats them all as enemies to be destroyed.
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