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Can a Galleon be a merc for another army or only Mercs?

At points levels where you have multiple casters, you can take Galleon if the second caster in your army is a merc caster that can actually take Galleon

For example, in a 100 point Khador army I could have Harkevich, 2 Konquests, Black Ivan, Behemoth, 2 max units of battle mechaniks, Bartolo, 2 Galleons, eEiryss, Gorman and Dougal.

Sure. If you can take a Warcaster to control it.

Gastone, the new Junior Warcaster, can take one. He'll work for Cygnar, Khador, and the Protectorate IIRC. So they all have access to the Galleon through him. Of course its a lot of points tied up on a 5 box solo.

I'd forgotten about the journeyman. In my defence he doesn't exist yet in terms of legal rules, right? While the PDF is out things aren't legal until the model drops?

Technically, but thats only for Tournament play.

Plenty of people are playing with them in casual games. And once the models are released they'll be all over the Tournament scene.

Sadly he does not work for Khador

tommse wrote:
Sadly he does not work for Khador

Oh I was just using Khador as an example to answer the OP because Bart was the first one to pop into my head as a Merc caster and I knew he worked for khador

 motyak wrote:

tommse wrote:
Sadly he does not work for Khador

Oh I was just using Khador as an example to answer the OP because Bart was the first one to pop into my head as a Merc caster and I knew he worked for khador

Sadly we who love Khador don't get nice things.......but taking Dirty Meg and a vangaurd or two........

Well if you wanted to take Gastone then you shouldn't have invaded his homeland. Or Killed Rhupert's wife.

Irusk talking to Karchev about Butcher.

"And this is why we can't have nice things!"

So you will be able to have Galleon and Stormwall on the same team?

Indeed, in either of the ways discusses above, high points second caster as a non-rhulic merc, or lower points Merc journeyman

 fables429 wrote:
So you will be able to have Galleon and Stormwall on the same team?

To clarify what has already been said:

TYPICALLY: No, you can not have a Stormwall and a Galleon in the same army list UNLESS one of the following exceptions occurs:

1. You are playing large list with multiple warcasters (typically you see 1 warcaster for 0 to 100 points, 2 for 100 to 150, 3 for 150 to 200, etc) where one warcaster is Cygnar and the other is a non-rhulic warcaster who will work for Cygnar. In this case you may only take the Stormwall as part of the Cygnar warcaster's battlegroup or marshalled and the Galleon as part of the Mercenary warcaster's battlegroup.
2. You are playing a Cygnar list that includes Gastone Crosse (a character Mercenary Journeyman Warcaster). In this case the Stormwall must be part of the Cygnar warcaster's battlegroup or marshaled and the Galleon must be part of Crosse's Battlegroup.

What you can't do are any of the following:
1. Take a Galleon as part of a Cygnar warcaster's battlegroup. Mercenary 'Jack's aren't like mercenary units, solos, or warcasters in that they won't 'work' for other factions, they can only be played when another Mercenary brings them along.
2. Take a Galleon under a Mercenary 'jack marshal (Colossals have a rule stating that they can't be marshaled)

I hope this decisively answers your question.

RegalPhantom wrote:

2. You are playing a Cygnar list that includes Gastone Crosse (a character Mercenary Journeyman Warcaster). In this case the Stormwall must be part of the Cygnar warcaster's battlegroup or marshaled and the Galleon must be part of Crosse's Battlegroup.

Very close, but Colossals can not be marshaled. Otherwise this would already be legal with the abundant number of Mercenary jack marshals.

 derek wrote:

RegalPhantom wrote:

2. You are playing a Cygnar list that includes Gastone Crosse (a character Mercenary Journeyman Warcaster). In this case the Stormwall must be part of the Cygnar warcaster's battlegroup or marshaled and the Galleon must be part of Crosse's Battlegroup.

Very close, but Colossals can not be marshaled. Otherwise this would already be legal with the abundant number of Mercenary jack marshals.

Sorry, was just back from work and not entirely paying attention. Caught myself lower on. Thanks for catching it.

Sorry but I am still confused, I have never played before.

Basically for 50 pt tournaments I would want one list to have Galleon and the other 2nd tournament list to have a Stormwall.

Not sure if 50pts is too low to bring in Gastone or not?

 fables429 wrote:
Sorry but I am still confused, I have never played before.

Basically for 50 pt tournaments I would want one list to have Galleon and the other 2nd tournament list to have a Stormwall.

Not sure if 50pts is too low to bring in Gastone or not?

All lists have to be from the same army. So you could have a galleon in one, but it would still need to be a Cygnar list and follow the appropriate list building rules. This would mean you would need to get Gastone in the list and have the galleon in his battlegroup. As long as you have the points you can hire them. I think together they are about 23-24 points. And of course you cannot spend your warjack points from your cygnaran warcaster on the galleon.

Hopefully that will clear it up...

Also, why wouldn't you just use a Stormwall in both lists in that case?

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, why wouldn't you just use a Stormwall in both lists in that case?

Tournaments have a rule where the second list can't have any of the same unit/model/warcaster/jack/ect... as the second list.

But ya, looks like ill start either Cygnar or Protectorate so I can use Galleon and either of the others colossal.

 fables429 wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, why wouldn't you just use a Stormwall in both lists in that case?

Tournaments have a rule where the second list can't have any of the same unit/model/warcaster/jack/ect... as the second list.

But ya, looks like ill start either Cygnar or Protectorate so I can use Galleon and either of the others colossal.

That's a very interesting tournament format, usually that restriction applies only to characters. Also, no gastonne in proper tournies yet, unless the TO says otherwise.

 fables429 wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:
Also, why wouldn't you just use a Stormwall in both lists in that case?

Tournaments have a rule where the second list can't have any of the same unit/model/warcaster/jack/ect... as the second list.

But ya, looks like ill start either Cygnar or Protectorate so I can use Galleon and either of the others colossal.

I've never even heard of a tournament format like that...

Are you sure you aren't just misreading the Divide and Conquer rule for the normal Steamroller tournaments?

Also you say that you never played the game but you wan't to buy 2 Colossals from two different factions? One of which you will loose horribly if your opponent manages to kill a 3 point model?

I strongly advise you not to do this, this game isn't like some others where the shiniest / newest / most expensive model will give you an advantage. Colossals, when misplayed, will fall just as easy as an heavy warjack! And if you've never played WMH before, you will misplay them... badly...

Yeah, a single fully loaded enemy heavy can seriously maul your Colossal. Usually enough to where it cannot effectively retaliate. 2 enemy heavies will put your colossal in the dirt.

Colossals are good, but you have to use them right. They're no more hard to hurt than a normal heavy warjack and only have roughly twice the hit boxes. The advantage is that they usually hit harder(but not by an order of magnitude) and get more mileage out of focus.

To give you an idea of this. With 5 focus and 2 Crusader warjacks(a 6 point heavy) I can easily wreck any colossal/gargantuan in the game. Colossals aren't like Titans in Apocalypse that can take an entire army on the chin and feel nothing.


And I think you are misreading the tournament format, unless it really is a wackadoo tournament. Characters are the only things that normally have restrictions, and epic vs prime counts as a different model.

Yeah I misread the rules. So characters include only models with a "real name", but they count as different if one is epic and the other is prime?

Also I really like how the Galleon looks and would like to try to make him competitive, I also like how Cygnar and the Protectorate look over the Mercenaries.

Ideally based off looks and trying to be competitive I would want Protectorate with 1 of my lists using Galleon. (Or both if it works competitively- Though it would prob be better not to have a colossal in both lists by the sound of things) .

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However, I should probably wait to see how things play out once everything is legal. (Well new things keep coming out, but Gastone I mean).

The Galleon is probably one of the better Garlossals, right behind the Stormwall and Mammoth. Insane amount of firepower and support available.

And specifically, character refers to any model which has FA:C

 Grey Templar wrote:
The Galleon is probably one of the better Garlossals, right behind the Stormwall and Mammoth. Insane amount of firepower and support available.

And specifically, character refers to any model which has FA:C

Technically, no. "Character" refers to any model with character in its name (which is why you have things like "Beast-09, Khador Character Heavy Warjack"). You could theoretically have a non-character model with FA:C, althogh it's unlikely to ever occur.

Ideally based off looks and trying to be competitive I would want Protectorate with 1 of my lists using Galleon. (Or both if it works competitively- Though it would prob be better not to have a colossal in both lists by the sound of things) .

This is, unfortunately, probably not a very good idea. To use Galleon in a Protectorate list, you're either playing at the 100 point level or have Galleon attached to Gastonne Cross. In the first case, it's not a terrible idea (although you're still missing out on the Menite jack buffs that make the Judicator a better choice), but in the latter case you're attaching Galleon to an easily killed character solo who has to stay within eight inches of his colossal, and to make matters worse doesn't provide it with anything in the way of buffs besides raw focus. You're generally better off just giving your actual warcaster a Judicator.

To be fair, he can buff the Galleon in a pretty useful way, but doing so limits the focus he can give. He can give it some early game speed boost (assuming you scatter one of the rounds onto a squishy enemy), as well as a range boost.

 motyak wrote:
To be fair, he can buff the Galleon in a pretty useful way, but doing so limits the focus he can give. He can give it some early game speed boost (assuming you scatter one of the rounds onto a squishy enemy), as well as a range boost.

No he can't. Colossals can't move or be moved outside of their normal movement. The range buff is nice, but incredibly minor compared to other buffs available elsewhere.

 Laughing Man wrote:

 motyak wrote:
To be fair, he can buff the Galleon in a pretty useful way, but doing so limits the focus he can give. He can give it some early game speed boost (assuming you scatter one of the rounds onto a squishy enemy), as well as a range boost.

No he can't. Colossals can't move or be moved outside of their normal movement. The range buff is nice, but incredibly minor compared to other buffs available elsewhere.

Woopsie. I forgot that, I keep thinking of it as just can't be placed and slammed and stuff, I forget that it includes movement like that.

IDK, 2 extra inches on the Harpoon seems pretty darn useful.

Of course if I were running Gastone(and I do plan on it) in a Protectorate army I'd rather take a Mule or two for some ranged knockdown. And hey, Steampressure+Firegroup is 4 extra inches of range. And it only needs 1 focus for that 1 boost.

 Grey Templar wrote:
IDK, 2 extra inches on the Harpoon seems pretty darn useful.

Of course if I were running Gastone(and I do plan on it) in a Protectorate army I'd rather take a Mule or two for some ranged knockdown. And hey, Steampressure+Firegroup is 4 extra inches of range. And it only needs 1 focus for that 1 boost.

Isn't it 6" extra of range? 4 for steam pressure and 2 for fire group?