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Any advice or views on this build for 1850 all comers?
1850 on the nose, 32 terminators.


Deathwing Command Squad
Assault Cannon Deathwing Apothecary 4x Deathwing Terminators

Deathwing Command Squad
Assault Cannon Deathwing Apothecary 4x Deathwing Terminators

Belial

Librarian
Level 2
Terminator Armour
Auspex Force Sword, Melta Bombs Porta-Rack Storm Bolter

4x Deathwing Terminators
Pair of Lightning Claws
Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield
Heavy flamer
Deathwing Terminator Sgt with Storm Bolter and Power Sword

4x Deathwing Terminators
Pair of Lightning Claws
Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield
Assault Cannon
Deathwing Terminator Sgt with Storm Bolter and Power Sword

4x Deathwing Terminators
Pair of Lightning Claws
Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield
Assault Cannon
Deathwing Terminator Sgt with Storm Bolter and Power Sword

4x Deathwing Terminators
Pair of Lightning Claws
Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield
Assault Cannon
Deathwing Terminator Sgt with Storm Bolter and Power Sword

take a PFG for the libby for the 4++. I suggest dropping one DW term unit for a DWK. (they win me games all da time) also drop some assault cannons for missile launchers.


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also, either go PF-Storm bolter or TH/SS. LC is, imo not worth it.


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here is something I like to run, I don't run DW competitively really, thats my ravenwing.

Belial- TH/SS- 190
Company Master w/ terminator armor w/ shroud of heros, and Mace of redemption and SS- 225
DW command squad w/ champion, banner of fortitude, 2 TH/SS and plasma cannon- 335
DW command squad w/ DW banner, 2 TH/SS and plasma cannon- 290
DW terminators w/ AC, - 240
10 man DW terminators w/ missile launcher, missile launcher 2 TH/SS- 500
DW knights- 235

Or you can drop a DW term squad for a LR redeemer (would have to shimmy some points, probably dropping the shroud of heros) drop the company master maybe, its more of a badass thing and grab another DW squad have LR start game on board, (being DW LR you have better change of surviving) strike everyone in turn 1

You need to start with a couple of units on the board. Also with the librarain taking away a unit ability to chose to deep strike turn one or two means he needs to be with one of these units. To make them survive and do some work they need cyclone missles for rage and more stormshields to take the difficult saves (if you get them in the right place).

With so many terminators I would also suggest taking knights. The question is then do you deep strike them with Belial for accuracy?

A dreadnought in a drop pod would cost 170 pts and so, unless you want just terminators, I would consider one. They are better at deploying in tight spaces than the deep striking terminators. They are still deathwing.

If you are willing to move away from deathwing I would recommend replacing a terminator unit with a couple of sniper scout units, with cloaks. They can start on the board and, hopefully, snipe out plasma and melta weapons from the units you are facing.

I would suggest taking the Champion upgrade on the command squad you place Belial in. For +5 points he is a great buy, giving you another character for precision shots, +1WS, and a model to accept challenges who swings on Initiative at AP2. He also improves your ability to take advantage of Belial's "the Hunt" warlord trait, as it states that if Belial or his unit kills the enemy warlord in assault, you get the extra victory point.

I would also strongly advise including the Banner of Fortitude in this list as well. The Feel No Pain bubble it provides is huge and also is basically free given that it replaces the two apothecary upgrades in your dual command squads.

Ultra Magnus

Sorry chaps.
The librarain would get the ability to deepstrike in the first or second turn when he takes the terminator armour. There is a special rule in the war gear section's terminator armour entry.

I'll be stuffing one into my force now!