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Would you find this list fun to play? Geared to take advantage of hard as nails, fast characters. Supposed to be fun but with a chance of winning:

Iron hands
Chapter master
Bike, AA, TH, SE

Chapter master
Bike, AA, ToT, SS

Chapter master
Bike, AA, BB, SS

Chapter master
Bike, AA, PF, SS

Bike squad x2
5 man
2 grav, combi grav

Bike squad x2
5 man
2 melta, combi melta, melta bombs

Stormtalon
Skyhammer

Whirlwind

Allies BA
Mephiston

Scout squad
Snipers, camo cloaks

2k

5 scoring units. 4 of which are tanked by t5 2+/3++ 6+fnp characters. When the characters leave, these units are still t5 3+ with 5+ jink and 6+ fnp. Another scoring unit with a 3+ cover at distance. So the scoring is not as fragile as first seems.
Stormtalon for some limited AA. If worried about flyers - can just pile into combat.
Whilrwind for horde control (steal at 65pts when all the opponents heavy weapons will be focused elsewhere).
18 grav shots shooting turn 1 as well as 4 orbital bombardments. Melta squads to help take out tanks/cover av14. 24 tl bolters for horde control.
5 fast close combat monsters. 2 which can deal with MCs without worry - mephy, shield eternal cm. All but mephy have 6+ fnp and IWND to really take advantage of the Iron Hands CT.
Any st10 ap2 ordinance that hasn't scattered can be LOS to the bikes, if failed then there is still the 3++ for the cms. If it is exceptionally lucky and kills a chap master - you still have 4 monsters approaching you... fast!

"Well D weapons would kill that"... yes D weapons excel at everything that is not an extreme MSU build. Im not attempting an MSU build here (they may be multiple small units but they are expensive so not traditional msu), therefore im not bothered about D weapons as this isnt a tourney list but a fun list, so if facing superheavys I would merely take another list.

Can it however be semi-competitive in a 'traditional' 40k environment?

He might be too slow, but if you really want to dick around with MCs consider Vaylund Cal, the Sons of Medusa (Iron Hands) special character from Forge World.

He's a chapter master with +1 Str and +2 toughness, with -1 wound. He's bulky, on a 40mm base, has a servo-harness and blessing of the omnissiah, a thunder hammer, an iron halo,

I also suggest you look at the Iron Hands supplement. One of the relics makes chapter masters even more ridiculously tough, providing Eternal Warrior, +1 Feel no Pain, and a 3+ invuln for 45 points and without taking up a hand (so you can still bring two weapons).

That extra relic you mention sounds amazing for the points. I would put that on my non relic holding cm and drop the whirlwind!


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Not sure how i would get the Cal character into combat with this list mind. Cheers for the suggestions!

Poly Ranger wrote:
That extra relic you mention sounds amazing for the points. I would put that on my non relic holding cm and drop the whirlwind!


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Not sure how i would get the Cal character into combat with this list mind. Cheers for the suggestions!

Yeah, Vaylund Cal is slow. Does wonders in a Land Raider Spartan though, keeping it repaired while it trundles up the field. But then you're getting away from your theme - sorry

No worries - opens up options for future list! Plus if I ever invest in forgeworld, which I intend to in the future, a spartan has always been at the forefront of my shopping list! Excellent suggestions!


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So if I drop the whirlwind and get this extra relic (im guessing its the gorgons chain I see mentioned everywhere), I could then also drop the storm shield if its already got a 3++, giving me 40pts. I can now upgrade the pf to a th and get a lightening claw to go with it for +1A. With the 10pts left over the ToT and BB chap masters can have mbs so all can deal with high rear armour av tanks reliably. Sweet!


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That relic also means I will have no models that can instagib themselves when failing a mindshackle scarab roll!


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Just realised - st8 t5... he wouldnt have anyway oops.