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Well it looks good, but trailers for Zack Snyder films always look good...

Iron-bat, Kryptonite, Wonder Woman, Luthor, Batwing, Alfred, Joker references...

Basically... Fething Hell Yeah!

Honestly after Man of Steel, and certain comments from the director, my faith is about zero. That's before I watch the trailer and the sinking feeling that "No one learned anything from Spider-Man 3 or Amazing Spider-Man 2" yet again sinks in.

Awesome timing, just after I finished playing Batman Arkham Knight.

There's a good still from the trailer.



The question is, are they going to be going for a Jason Todd death, in keeping with the upsurge in the awareness of him through eg, Under the Red Hood.

Or are they going to be keeping with the Dark Knight Returns style of the rest of the Batman inspiration, in which case, it'll be Dick Greyson.

Well Wonder Woman looks pretty good as does Batman suited up - not sure about him otherwise.

Is the geeky looking long haired guy Lex? Doesn't seem a patch on Smallvilles - but then who is?

I can;t recall did any of the Krytoinains survive the first film?

Is Wonder Woman one of them or goign the other alien route like the Asgardians?

But as long as they Keep C Nolan away form it it might be watchable

Looks good to me - I'll be there!

Who knew people with no hair could wear wigs? WHAT A TWEEST

Thinking about it more, this film could lend a lot more context/reason to the 'departure's' from Superman's character in MoS. I gather a lot of people didn't like the huge levels of destruction in his fight with Zod on the basis that it's not a very Superman thing to do*, but seeing as it now appears to be both the trigger for Batman's return to the cowl and the genesis of the more self-aware, conscious and 'heroic' Superman it makes a lot more sense. I've always said that the destruction of Metropolis and killing of Zod were part of a setup to develop the Superman we know, and it looks like that might be borne out here

I also think we're in for a very different Batman here. Robin dead, along with who know who else (Gordon? Oracle? Catwoman? '20 years in Gotham, and who's left?') and the fact Superman has turned up to be something he can't hope to compete with means lots more anger, bitterness, even a sadistic side (branding criminals with batarangs? That's new!) coming to the fore. From the start I've backed Batman just because he's Batman, but I can see him being very unlikeable, very much the anti-hero, and as such, Superman definitely has the chance to become the true hero he's supposed to be.



*(although how one is supposed to avoid such things when fighting an enemy with no qualms about smashing anything in sight I don't know)

Trailer looks good when it doesn't have Wonder Woman in it. I really, really don't like her in the role. Otherwise it looks at least interesting.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Trailer looks good when it doesn't have Wonder Woman in it. I really, really don't like her in the role. Otherwise it looks at least interesting.

I'm with you in that. Trailer looked decent until Gadot showed up. She looks like a terrible Wonder Woman.

I have very little confidence in this movie.

Mostly I'm uncertain what her purpose in the movie is except to be there. The Batman Vs Superman bit seems straightforward, and clear as a narrative just from the trailer alone. Why is Wonder Woman or long hair mcnerdy for that matter, in the movie?

Plot bloat is already looking like its going to make the whole thing a mess.

I could see Lex and Batman starting off on the same side, until his plan unfolds and you have a Batman / Superman team up to end the film.

No idea how Wonder Woman could fit into it (I don't precisely mind her in those scenes though to be honest), but yeah, seems a bit cramped.

On the subject of Wonder Woman, have you all seen this before?

 LordofHats wrote:
Mostly I'm uncertain what her purpose in the movie is except to be there. The Batman Vs Superman bit seems straightforward, and clear as a narrative just from the trailer alone. Why is Wonder Woman or long hair mcnerdy for that matter, in the movie?

Plot bloat is already looking like its going to make the whole thing a mess.

According to script leaks:

I dont really follow the comics etc.
Who is the brunette girl in leather supposed to be and how does she fit in with bat/superman?

 Compel wrote:
I could see Lex and Batman starting off on the same side, until his plan unfolds and you have a Batman / Superman team up to end the film.

No idea how Wonder Woman could fit into it (I don't precisely mind her in those scenes though to be honest), but yeah, seems a bit cramped.

On the subject of Wonder Woman, have you all seen this before?

Haven't seen that before- what's the story on it?

I'm not going to lie when I say I think Ben Affleck makes a better Bruce Wayne than Christian Bale, and I will see this on the opening day with my wife.

 LordofHats wrote:
Why is...long hair mcnerdy for that matter, in the movie?

Yeah, why would Lex Luthor, the nemesis of Superman and most likely the mastermind behind all this, be in the movie?

I'm very worried that this film will have a third act where the three of them come together to fight another "origin movie throwaway villain", and in this instance it'll be Doomsday, which is a waste of that character.

It should be zombie Zod.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I'm not going to lie when I say I think Ben Affleck makes a better Bruce Wayne than Christian Bale, and I will see this on the opening day with my wife.

At the very least his voice will be better. Holy crap Bale had a terrible voice for batman.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm very worried that this film will have a third act where the three of them come together to fight another "origin movie throwaway villain", and in this instance it'll be Doomsday, which is a waste of that character.

That is my only worry, that this will end up being Batman vs Superman in the same way that Avengers is 'Iron Man vs Thor', ie. One set piece fight then an everyone's-friends teamup. I'd much rather see the titular fight take centre stage for the whole film, and simply set up Luthor and Doomsday to be the Big Bads in JL1 (in Avengers terms, DD as Loki, LL as Thanos).

I have faith they'll stick to their guns, though; to much is riding on this to half-arse it.

 Paradigm wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm very worried that this film will have a third act where the three of them come together to fight another "origin movie throwaway villain", and in this instance it'll be Doomsday, which is a waste of that character.

That is my only worry, that this will end up being Batman vs Superman in the same way that Avengers is 'Iron Man vs Thor', ie. One set piece fight then an everyone's-friends teamup. I'd much rather see the titular fight take centre stage for the whole film, and simply set up Luthor and Doomsday to be the Big Bads in JL1 (in Avengers terms, DD as Loki, LL as Thanos).

I have faith they'll stick to their guns, though; to much is riding on this to half-arse it.

I hope you're right. Do we know for sure Doomsday is in this movie?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Haven't seen that before- what's the story on it?

It's just a short film by Rileah Vanderbilt (of Team Unicorn fame). I think it was just done for an acting reel / discussion point about the viability of a modern Wonder Woman / because they wanted to.

 Paradigm wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm very worried that this film will have a third act where the three of them come together to fight another "origin movie throwaway villain", and in this instance it'll be Doomsday, which is a waste of that character.

That is my only worry, that this will end up being Batman vs Superman in the same way that Avengers is 'Iron Man vs Thor', ie. One set piece fight then an everyone's-friends teamup. I'd much rather see the titular fight take centre stage for the whole film, and simply set up Luthor and Doomsday to be the Big Bads in JL1 (in Avengers terms, DD as Loki, LL as Thanos).

I have faith they'll stick to their guns, though; to much is riding on this to half-arse it.

Doesn't Lex get some sort of super power armour in some incarnations - maybe thats Kyrptonian tech and will be part of the plot - seems to be some pic sof salvaging of alien tech?

re the plot - Except Avengers is cleverer than that.

Thor fights Iron Man and nothing is resolved and in fact is the opposite - it helps build tension between the potential team members - same with the later interactions and the Thor/Hulk fight - as per Loki's intent. Its only when there is a death of someone known to main cast that any kind of team begins to build.

I am hoping there might be a bit of wit and humour in the film but it does not look like that is the case :( hope still lingers however.......

Yeah, Lex does have a suit that uses all kinds of alien tech, but I doubt we'll see that in this film. At a guess, they'll set it up here, but save the actual reveal for either Superman 2 or JL1.

I was just using Avengers as an example, not direct comparison. Whatever happens with teaming up (or not), imagine the rivalry/enmity between Bat and Supes will continue long after the film itself.

 Paradigm wrote:
Yeah, Lex does have a suit that uses all kinds of alien tech, but I doubt we'll see that in this film. At a guess, they'll set it up here, but save the actual reveal for either Superman 2 or JL1.

I was just using Avengers as an example, not direct comparison. Whatever happens with teaming up (or not), imagine the rivalry/enmity between Bat and Supes will continue long after the film itself.

Well unless they go another well travelled route and its just sexual tension....................

 Ahtman wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Why is...long hair mcnerdy for that matter, in the movie?

Yeah, why would Lex Luthor, the nemesis of Superman and most likely the mastermind behind all this, be in the movie?

What I'm getting at is a concern that the plot will be overstuffed and distracted (like Spider-Man 3, Amazing Spider-Man 2). The Batman vs Superman concept is strong enough to stand completely on its own as a cool idea for a movie, but now they're throwing in Wonder Woman, long haired Luthor, setting up for a Justice League film, weird Superman cultists, and who knows what else. Just the trailer feels bloated and overworked to me, so I can't help but feel the movie will be even worse.

Is there a running time shown for the film yet?

If it's going to be a 3 hour Lord of the Rings style epic, I can see them giving everything justice.

If it's just going to be 2 hours, well, yeah...

Off the top of my head, MoS ran just short of two and a half hours, and I can easily see this being closer to 3. (Bear in mind TDKR is almost that long, so while it's a different franchise WB don't seem to have a problem with longer superhero films).

Which if absolutely fine by me!

Zombie Zod as the Big Bad that all 3 (4?) heroes band together to fight in Act 3?