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Hi all, quick question:

Before the questoris knights list dropped, I bought a knight errant to run as a freeblade ally to my Legionnes Astartes. However, it now looks like I can only take the knight as a selection from the Questoris list, in which case I would need two (HQ and Troop) in order to run them as allies. Which involves purchasing another expensive knight kit.
The other option looks like the special character Magos Draykavac as HQ and a knight as troops, but this is sub-optimal in the extreme (draykavac is expensive pointswise).

Am I missing something? Is there any other way to get a single freeblade knight ally?

Don't have my books here but can you grab one as a LoW? (Or is that slot already taken in your list?)

 Eldarain wrote:
Don't have my books here but can you grab one as a LoW? (Or is that slot already taken in your list?)

I'm not sure that I can grab one as a LOW anymore, as the Knights are now an army list in their own right, and they are no longer LoWs in their army list.

(But the slot is free).

Knights are still Lords of War, same as Titans, they can just be Their own army as well, so if you have the slot free you can take it as Lords of War choice yes. The newest HH FAQ has the newest Knights from gw added as well if that is relevant to your needs as well.

Lost on where you are getting this info. Knights are not able to be taken singly as a LOW choice in a legion list like they are in 40k. They are their own list. Newest FAQ just allows the normal GW knights in a knight army list.

I believe its only the entry for the Knights Maegera/Styrix that allow them to be a LOW for any army, some others can be LOW for Mechanicum armies, all can be LOW for Solar Auxilia. The rest require you to go the Allies route and thus requires you to take two.

On page 184 of book 1: 'betrayal' there is a sectio titled 'lords of war & their availability' which states...

The lords of war choices eligible for the crusade space marine legion list found in this book are as follows:
an imperial super-heavy tank or detachment (1-3 superheavy tanks or super-heavy walkers of up to 3 structure points each).

So you can explicitly take a single knight (or three!) as a LOW for a legions astartes force from there. The legion red book should have a similar box of text somewhere too.

Except they are not listed in the book as an individual LoW available to legions at this time. You can only take them as an allied detachment thus you need two at a minimum.

That's like me taking a troop choice from the solar auxilia list because the legion list says I need 2 troop choices.

 SirDonlad wrote:
On page 184 of book 1: 'betrayal' there is a sectio titled 'lords of war & their availability' which states...

The lords of war choices eligible for the crusade space marine legion list found in this book are as follows:
an imperial super-heavy tank or detachment (1-3 superheavy tanks or super-heavy walkers of up to 3 structure points each).

So you can explicitly take a single knight (or three!) as a LOW for a legions astartes force from there. The legion red book should have a similar box of text somewhere too.

Knights aren't tanks and they aren't walkers with upto 3 hp each. They have six and are thus excluded.

First, that makes little sense. Can one name a super heavy tank, super heavy walker or super heavy flyer with only three structure points? Anyone?

Unless it has changed, I am pretty sure it's Primarchs, Titans, Thunderhawks, Stormbirds and the plethora of super heavy tracked tanks that an Astartes Legion can take. I have not really looked into the Solar Auxilla or the Imperial Militia forces, but I would say the same for them. Minus Primarchs and Astartes specific vehicles.

As per the old 40k 6th edition FaQ, 1 Structure Point = 3 Hull Points.

You have to remember that rule was written before Super Heavies had been updated to have hull points.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
As per the old 40k 6th edition FaQ, 1 Structure Point = 3 Hull Points.

You have to remember that rule was written before Super Heavies had been updated to have hull points.

Thought that looked funny. I didn't even pick up on the structure / hull points.

It's also that this detachment only works with units listed in that book.

Plus anything that is allowed is actually listed or has that it can be included in a legion astartes army. Knights do not have this annotation. Its the same reason we cant include a Wraith Knight. 30k doesnt have unbound either.

Col. Dash wrote:
Except they are not listed in the book as an individual LoW available to legions at this time. You can only take them as an allied detachment thus you need two at a minimum.

That's like me taking a troop choice from the solar auxilia list because the legion list says I need 2 troop choices.

I checked and you're spot on - what a weird arrangement!

What about the text box on page 8 of the legion astartes crusade army list...

War machine detachment: 1-2 super-heavy vehicles of the same unit type, each with a hull points value of 8 or less, and each chosen either from the specific army list for the primary detachment or from an appropriate Apocalypse data-sheet....

Is that just carte blanche for marines to use imperial super-heavy tanks or does that include the unit entries listed in white dwarf for the knight errant and paladin when they fist came out?
could they be called 'apocalypse data sheets'?
The unit entry directly references both 'apocalypse' and 'escalation' for rules, so i'm leaning toward 'yes', but this RAW eligibility thing is throwing me a bit tbh.

This is Legion Astartes not Marines.

You know what i meant - marines, legionnaires whatever, the point is; what do you make of the stuff about apoc data-sheets?

Apoc is Apoc. It has its own rules and such which need to be agreed upon by the players involved. We play 3k+ games a few times a year but we specify if its normal apoc anything goes or force org required.

Col. Dash wrote:
Apoc is Apoc. It has its own rules and such which need to be agreed upon by the players involved. We play 3k+ games a few times a year but we specify if its normal apoc anything goes or force org required.

Except there are Superheavy units that still only have Entries in the apocalypse rule book or IA Apocalypse book. These are what they are referring to.

 SirDonlad wrote:
You know what i meant - marines, legionnaires whatever, the point is; what do you make of the stuff about apoc data-sheets?

The WD Knight data sheets weren't included as "Apocalypse datasheets" even though the game format is mentioned. They're a preview of rules intended for standard games of 40k. If somehow Knights were intended to be covered by this detachment, they fell through the cracks by virtue of GWs deeper integration of 40k and Apocalypse. Rules as written, this isn't a way to take them.

I guess 30k's approach to Knights is suppose to be more representative of the fact that there are fewer freeblades and the majority of Knights fight as part of their household forces.

Personally I don't think most players are going to have a problem taking a single Knight, and I've seen people play 30k doing that.

As long as people remember they arent legal in events unless its an unbound event which also arent legal in 30k and as a super heavy it isnt allowed in less than 2k games, which to me is more important than the Force comp thing.