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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/24 17:41:29
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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I had to double-take on this one, and check it wasn't April 1st, or that I had accidentally stumbled onto some alternative medicine blog. It's exciting news, but if successful in human tests, the ethical ramifications could be Earth shattering. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-39354628 A drug that can reverse aspects of ageing has been successfully trialled in animals, say scientists. They have rejuvenated old mice to restore their stamina, coat of fur and even some organ function. The team at Erasmus University Medical Center, in the Netherlands, are planning human trials for what they hope is a treatment for old age. A UK scientist said the findings were "impossible to dismiss", but that unanswered questions remained. The approach works by flushing out retired or "senescent" cells in the body that have stopped dividing. They accumulate naturally with age and have a role in wound healing and stopping tumours. But while they appear to just sit there, senescent cells release chemicals that cause inflammation and have been implicated in ageing. The group of scientists created a drug that selectively killed senescent cells by disrupting the chemical balance within them. "I got very rebellious, people insisted I was crazy for trying and for the first three times they were right," Dr Peter de Keizer told the BBC. 'Crazy' On the fourth attempt he had something that seemed to work. He tested it on mice that were just old (the equivalent of 90 in mouse years), those genetically programmed to age very rapidly and those aged by chemotherapy. The findings, published in the journal Cell, showed liver function was easily restored and the animals doubled the distance they would run in a wheel. Dr de Keizer said: "We weren't planning to look at their hair, but it was too obvious to miss." He also said there were a lot of "grey" results - things that seemed to improve in some mice but not all. The drug was given three times a week and the experiments have been taking place for nearly a year. There are no signs of side-effects but "mice don't talk", Dr de Keizer said. However, it is thought the drug would have little to no effect on normal tissues. When asked if this was a drug for ageing, Dr Keizer told the BBC News website: "I hope so, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating as you say. "In terms of mouse work we are pretty much done, we could look at specific age-related diseases eg osteoporosis, but we should now prepare for clinical translation." Commenting on the results, Dr Dusko Ilic, a stem cell scientist at King's College London, said: "The finding is impossible to dismiss. "[But] until more high-quality research is done, it is better to be reserved about these findings. "Though, I would not be surprised if manufacturers try to capitalise on this and, in a few years, we could buy this peptide as a supplement over the counter." Prof Ilaria Bellantuono, Professor in Musculoskeletal Ageing, University of Sheffield, called for further tests on "heart, muscle, metabolic, cognitive function" to take place. But added: "The use of this peptide in patients is a long way away. "It requires careful consideration about safety, about the appropriate group of patients for whom this peptide can be beneficial in a reasonable period of time so that positive effects can be easily measured at an affordable cost."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/24 17:45:11
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Fascinating if true.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/24 19:17:32
Subject: Re:Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Clearly someone didn't read The Postmortal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/24 19:23:59
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Why would we want younger mice?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/24 19:41:59
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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This article doesn't note, as the Dutch news interview does, that this research will mainly start focusing on cancer treatment with this method. So while this substance might help to combat the effects of aging further research will focus the human trials on using the rejuvenation of cells in combating cancer cells.
It is cool for sure, but I'm not sure how fast they will focus on making this marketable. Although if it works it will be a goldmine for the researchers or university depending on the kinds of contracts.
Dutch link for interested: http://nos.nl/artikel/2164667-onderzoekers-erasmus-mc-vinden-middel-om-te-verjongen.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/26 21:07:22
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/26 22:29:42
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/26 22:38:59
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/26 22:45:09
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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A really cool development!
I will note for the less biology-minded that this does not cure age; it treats age. If it turns out to perform as well as could be hoped, it will make old age more comfortable for humans (and potentially extend lifespan by some amount) but it won't be anything close to eternal youth. There are physical and genetic factors that this drug will not even address, let alone overcome. However it is still a very promising breakthrough that could potentially improve a lot of lives.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/27 01:42:38
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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timetowaste85 wrote:To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
If you have a drug that lets people live forever I'd be fine if it was only given to people weren't procreating or had strict limits on it. Actually I wonder if it'd naturally reduce peoples' desire to have kids if they knew they were going to live forever.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/27 02:12:14
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
If you have a drug that lets people live forever I'd be fine if it was only given to people weren't procreating or had strict limits on it. Actually I wonder if it'd naturally reduce peoples' desire to have kids if they knew they were going to live forever.
It would go to the very wealthiest people on the planet. Who, by and large, are the last group we would ever want having it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/27 02:23:03
Subject: Re:Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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IIRC, there's a growing issue nowadays with people living longer and having less kids, which results in a huge number of seniors with no financial support, i.e. they can't work and nobody's there to help out with the expenses. Reducing the effects of aging --that is getting people back into the workforce-- should assuage some of that.... although, naturally there's the issue of how much would 'de-aging' cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/27 12:53:17
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I remember an unusually long lived rat. His name? Peter Pettigrew.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/29 09:09:17
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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timetowaste85 wrote:To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
Don't worry if it becomes reality the super rich would try to keep their claws on it forever. It'd never be available widely enough for that to be an issue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/03/29 09:29:39
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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n0t_u wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
Don't worry if it becomes reality the super rich would try to keep their claws on it forever. It'd never be available widely enough for that to be an issue. 
Pretty much this, and it's what SciFi has predicted. The Haves remain young and healthy forever. The Have-Nots become a disposable underclass. Society begins to stagnate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 16:25:05
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: n0t_u wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
Don't worry if it becomes reality the super rich would try to keep their claws on it forever. It'd never be available widely enough for that to be an issue. 
Pretty much this, and it's what SciFi has predicted. The Haves remain young and healthy forever. The Have-Nots become a disposable underclass. Society begins to stagnate.
And then the Have-Nots start getting very interested in French history.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 16:30:42
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Yodhrin wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: n0t_u wrote: timetowaste85 wrote:To be the "downer" in this...we age and die due to necessity. If we didn't die, we'd overpopulate more than we already do. It sounds awesome. But...making people live longer? It sounds great, if we can terraform other planets and branch out. Otherwise we're in trouble. Trust me, I feel like an ass typing that, with its intended use for cancer patients who get a serious bum rap...but...realistically, this will cause further problems if it works.
Don't worry if it becomes reality the super rich would try to keep their claws on it forever. It'd never be available widely enough for that to be an issue. 
Pretty much this, and it's what SciFi has predicted. The Haves remain young and healthy forever. The Have-Nots become a disposable underclass. Society begins to stagnate.
And then the Have-Nots start getting very interested in French history.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 16:31:33
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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[DCM]
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And just like the English, French, American and Russian Revolution, that simply changes who happen to be the Haves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 16:52:35
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And just like the English, French, American and Russian Revolution, that simply changes who happen to be the Haves.
When was the English revolution? I must have slept in and missed it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 16:59:06
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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[DCM]
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Well, Civil War. Did away with the monarchy, until the English rightly realised Puritans are no fun.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 17:10:26
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Well, Civil War. Did away with the monarchy, until the English rightly realised Puritans are no fun.
I'm not sure the Civil War counts as anything more than a bunch of rich powerful feckers fighting other rich powerful feckers.
Both Napoleon and Stalin marvelled at how the Revolution never came to Britain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 17:25:03
Subject: Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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Probably as a result of the Civil War.
Bollock Chops Cromwell took over, deposing the monarchy. Then named his son his hereditary successor. Then followed the Restoration and a rejection of Puritanical Christianity.
England is one of the very few countries to have had 'takesy backsies' on a revolution.
Guess our history books just show revolutions only change who it is that's treating the little people as chattel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2017/04/02 21:37:12
Subject: Re:Drug Reverses Ageing in Mice
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So have they figured out how to put the blood of teenagers into capsules?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2112829-blood-from-human-teens-rejuvenates-body-and-brains-of-old-mice/
Blood from human teens rejuvenates body and brains of old mice
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