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2017/06/10 08:35:53
Subject: Black Panther - Movie Discussion (Warning! Spoilers!)
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The fact that Man-Ape is in this movies fills me with glee.
Five years ago, if someone told me that a character like that would appear in a mainstream big-budge film, I would have laughed in their face.
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I am exited for this. I know jack all about Black Panther as a comic character, but I really liked the performance given in Civil War, and I look forward to seeing more!
LordofHats wrote: I am exited for this. I know jack all about Black Panther as a comic character, but I really liked the performance given in Civil War, and I look forward to seeing more!
This is where I'm at too...
This movies look spectacular with intriguing storylines.
Agreed - know zero about him - but he and his guards were great in Civil War.
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So, is Wakanda built upon some sort of non-human tech to be so extremely advanced?
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Wakanda has exclusive* access to the world's Vibranium supply, and this resource has allowed them to jump far ahead of the rest of the world technologically.
*If I'm remembering correctly, Vibranium comes from outer space and arrived on Earth via meteor. Some fragments landed elsewhere but the bulk of the rock hit where Wakanda is so they have a hell of a lot more of it than everyone else. Black Panther's entire suit is made of the stuff, and we've all seen what Captain America can do with just a shield.
There's a bunch of mystical stuff there too I think, but that's pretty much the end of my knowledge outside of t'Challa's sister being Black panther for awhile and that he hooks up with Storm.
It's comic books so there's various different versions, but yeah, 99% of the worlds supply of unobtanium. Sometimes via meteor, sometimes crashed spaceship. While they have the super high tech theyve tended to hide that fact though so the world doesn't know what they have. Modern comics have them generally outed and properly viewed as a major world power, but this looks to more use the old stuff where some people are just starting to get a glimpse of their hidden potential.
I got interested in Black Panther as a kid reading Doom 2099. There was a brief arc in that title about von Doom, finally restored as ruler of Latveria, agreeing to help Wakanda because of his respect for T'Challa. I really like characters, like von Doom, T'Challa, and Prince Namor, that are both adventurers and monarchs. It seems to create a certain amount of ambiguity in their characters.
Manchu wrote: I got interested in Black Panther as a kid reading Doom 2099. There was a brief arc in that title about von Doom, finally restored as ruler of Latveria, agreeing to help Wakanda because of his respect for T'Challa. I really like characters, like von Doom, T'Challa, and Prince Namor, that are both adventurers and monarchs. It seems to create a certain amount of ambiguity in their characters.
You know, I love those 3 characters too (especially John Byrne's run on Namor!), and I didn't put too much thought into 'why', but I think you've nailed it there!
This movie - so far - looks to be fantastic.
Who would've thought that Ulysses Klaw would be a featured villain in a big budget movie too!
Yeah, you would think Shield would have wondered about the mini-Asguard in the middle of Africa.
"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
You know. As a pretty decent comic book nerd and Marvel being my choice when it comes to super heroes, I know very little about Black Panther. I watched the trailer and I just wasn't excited. It looks decent enough but I always enjoy a good villain and the conflict that revolves around the protagonist and antagonist. Black Panther's villains never seem to have much cross over with the Marvel universe at large or he is working as part of a team to take on a big name villain.
By all means I will give this movie a chance but I just can't get excited about it. I feel like Black Panther is so loosely connected to the rest of the Marvel universe as he isn't really apart of any of the major teams and he only seems to be involved when Wakanda is involved...I don't know, maybe I just don't know enough about him as a character.
Still, if we can keep getting more and more heroes into movies and TV shows maybe one day I can see Moon Knight in the MCU.
Klaw was a B-list FF villain in addition to being T'Challa's nemesis. In fact, the Black Panther himself was a Namoresque B-list FF villain at one point.
Arbiter_Shade wrote: I feel like Black Panther is so loosely connected to the rest of the Marvel universe as he isn't really apart of any of the major teams and he only seems to be involved when Wakanda is involved...
That's what I like about this film (and Doctor Strange); it's about time someone other than five guys in New York started noticing all the weird stuff going on in the world.
Vintage comic book collecting can sometimes be considered as a sort of futures market for the success of a given character or property. This is most apparent when it comes to the run-up towards a new film. The higher the anticipation, the higher that prices go. If the film is then successful upon release, prices might hold steady or even continue to climb. If a film is panned upon release, the prices of related comics can drop substantially in the aftermath. We just saw collectors make their first big bet on the success of the Black Panther film. I doubt it’ll be the last. A Fantastic Four #52 CGC 9.4 sold for $12,422.00 at the Jon Berk Collection Auction Session 3 at Comic Connect last night. That’s a new record for this comic book in CGC 9.4. The July 1966 cover-dated comic (you can see this copy has an April 5, 1966 arrival date-stamp on the cover) contains the first appearance of the Black Panther by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Joe Sinnott.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
AegisGrimm wrote: Yeah, you would think Shield would have wondered about the mini-Asguard in the middle of Africa.
I'm pretty sure a big part of it is supposed to be a dig at the colonial mindset regarding Africa - stealth tech, sure, but also blinkered western powers who's preconceptions would never allow them to believe the most advanced nation on earth would be nestled deep in "darkest Africa". It's hard to find something if you're not looking for it in the first place.
As to the trailer - I find myself more excited to see this than I am by the whole Infinity War "event".
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Yeah - INFINITY WAR has all sorts of ways to be messed up.
BUT...given how good (GoTG) and OK (Avengers) that most of the movies have been that are going to be involved there, I'm still optimistic that they'll be able to pull it off and deliver a fun movie.
One good thing here is that I was reminded of the gaps in my Fantastic Four reprint collection and went out and filled it, so now I can read an almost complete run on #1 to almost #300!
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001